Police abuse

josevolution

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

OK tough guy….

I knew you would answer so i ask you why couldn't he just drag the whole desk with her on it outside to the hallway , and if you did this to my daughter id def challenge you to a fight in a gym no weapons just fist to fist since his so tough to do that to a girl lets see him defende himself in a controlled environment ...let me ask you are you a parent ?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

You people... geezuz, man.

Just render authority toothless? Why have any rules at all? If one can snub a school rule... why can't all?

It wasn't so much as her refusing to put her phone away as it was essentially telling all to go f**k themselves when they tried to deal with her belligerent attitude.

I'm assuming you think that behaviour is real cool, man. Others, such as myself, don't think it's way cool.

josevolution

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

No problem i would def apologize for my kids misbehavior but im def calling the cop out

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

You people... geezuz, man.

Just render authority toothless? Why have any rules at all? If one can snub a school rule... why can't all?

It wasn't so much as her refusing to put her phone away as it was essentially telling all to go f**k themselves when they tried to deal with her belligerent attitude.

I'm assuming you think that behaviour is real cool, man. Others, such as myself, don't think it's way cool.

I ask you again why couldnt the cop just drag the whole desk with her on it out to hallway he was able to slam her & desk with no problem i ask you why could'nt he just drgai it out of room ??

pjhawks

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

no consequences for beligierient defiance i guess. #anarchy

eddiec

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

You people... geezuz, man.

Just render authority toothless? Why have any rules at all? If one can snub a school rule... why can't all?

It wasn't so much as her refusing to put her phone away as it was essentially telling all to go f**k themselves when they tried to deal with her belligerent attitude.

I'm assuming you think that behaviour is real cool, man. Others, such as myself, don't think it's way cool.

I don't think anyone is condoning her behaviour. Clearly she needed to be removed from the class. If the officer had just grabbed one of her arms to get her out of her seat and then she went all crazy and kicking you could then see the 'slam' as needed. But she basically just wouldn't move so he decided to throw her to the ground. It was clearly excessive and the guy lost his cool.

Having said that, if she had been in a Catholic school 40 years ago what the officer did would be considered getting off easy. You wouldn't act that way in front of the Catholic brothers. Unless you were really, really dumb.

jeffbr

I think Jose asks a great question. I was also suggesting this to my wife last night. I agree with Thirty and RR that something needed to be done. We simply cannot condone or ignore disruptive behavior - to do so is to punish all of the other students and the teacher, and reward the stupid girl for her conduct. The teacher and apparently a couple of others were unable to get this stupid girl to quit being disruptive. Something more than politely asking needed to be done. But since none of the other students were in imminent danger, and since the stupid girl was not a threat, I don't really understand why the sudden escalation by the officer was necessary. I get that he and others had probably lost patience with the stupid girl, but don't know why a scene from a WWE show had to present itself. Had the officer simply started dragging the desk out of the classroom with the stupid girl sitting there, she would have likely been sufficiently embarrassed. Once out of the classroom, the officer could then have had another conversation with the stupid girl. She likely wouldn't have been as belligerent since she wouldn't need to be putting on a show for her classmates. Strength in numbers goes out the window, and she'd likely have complied with whatever forceful commands were given to her at that point. If not, continue to drag her desk through the school to the principle's office where she could sit for the rest of the day by herself, and kick her out of the class for the rest of the week. Done. Nobody got fired, nobody got hurt, nobody had to videotape it (except to properly embarrass the stupid girl) and it doesn't get played on the news.

It is a shame the cop escalated the way he did. I understand the need to get her out of the classroom. I agree with the need to punish her. I just think I would have handled it a little differently. Not because I side with the stupid girl (hopefully that is clear based on how I refer to her), but because cops are already are under the microscope, and because the other students could have benefited from seeing something be settled without violence, while at the same time reinforcing the notion that there are rules in school and they need to be followed.

rgambs

pjhawks said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

no consequences for beligierient defiance i guess. #anarchy

Where is the middle ground with you people? There is a huge gulf between insolence and brutality. ZERO people here have claimed she should escape consequences, taking it there is showing weakness in lieu of making valid points.

josevolution

jeffbr said:

I think Jose asks a great question. I was also suggesting this to my wife last night. I agree with Thirty and RR that something needed to be done. We simply cannot condone or ignore disruptive behavior - to do so is to punish all of the other students and the teacher, and reward the stupid girl for her conduct. The teacher and apparently a couple of others were unable to get this stupid girl to quit being disruptive. Something more than politely asking needed to be done. But since none of the other students were in imminent danger, and since the stupid girl was not a threat, I don't really understand why the sudden escalation by the officer was necessary. I get that he and others had probably lost patience with the stupid girl, but don't know why a scene from a WWE show had to present itself. Had the officer simply started dragging the desk out of the classroom with the stupid girl sitting there, she would have likely been sufficiently embarrassed. Once out of the classroom, the officer could then have had another conversation with the stupid girl. She likely wouldn't have been as belligerent since she wouldn't need to be putting on a show for her classmates. Strength in numbers goes out the window, and she'd likely have complied with whatever forceful commands were given to her at that point. If not, continue to drag her desk through the school to the principle's office where she could sit for the rest of the day by herself, and kick her out of the class for the rest of the week. Done. Nobody got fired, nobody got hurt, nobody had to videotape it (except to properly embarrass the stupid girl) and it doesn't get played on the news.

It is a shame the cop escalated the way he did. I understand the need to get her out of the classroom. I agree with the need to punish her. I just think I would have handled it a little differently. Not because I side with the stupid girl (hopefully that is clear based on how I refer to her), but because cops are already are under the microscope, and because the other students could have benefited from seeing something be settled without violence, while at the same time reinforcing the notion that there are rules in school and they need to be followed.

Agreed this could of been prevented with just a more calculated plan of attack .....

pjhawks

rgambs said:

pjhawks said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

no consequences for beligierient defiance i guess. #anarchy

Where is the middle ground with you people? There is a huge gulf between insolence and brutality. ZERO people here have claimed she should escape consequences, taking it there is showing weakness in lieu of making valid points.

I've stated numerous times here already that i thought it was a tad bit excessive on his part and that he should be punished by reprimand and/or suspension but not charged with a crime or fired. THAT'S THE MIDDLE GROUND!!!

rr165892

Ok hug patrol,first she DID hit the officer in the neck.It was slowed and showed on CNN last night.That alone got her flipped out the desk.
Gambsy,my kid has been an ass,and immature,and all the other shit normal teenagers were when he was in school.But bet your ass no matter what he knew to respect authority.This is not negotiable in our house.So no my kid wouldn't be in that pickle.
It kinda freaks me out how cottony soft ,PC and whiney society is getting.I know some of you are younger but those of us who graduated HS in the early and Mid Eighties,we still got paddled by teachers.My dean mr Stubbs drilled holes in his paddle for less wind resistance.I got the buisness end many times(yes even an angelic kid like me,hehe).I deserved it every time.He was black.I never cried racial bullshit.Maybe I had to pay the piper for my infractions,no harm no foul.I learned,matured and didn't do it again.
Whatcha know,I turned into a successful well respected member of society.Im not permantly scared,no ptsd.
You softees may want to start looking at the effects yours and others stance is having on arrests and crime throughout the country.Cops don't need this nonsense for doing a job none of you have the onions for.
I don't blame them.
Hey Dan-O how your contemporaries feel about getting involved I thankless bullshit inner city stuff?
Everything is over dramatized,filmed,and turned into race issues and police abuse.Great job Libs.We are getting that hard stance on crime you've been asking for.Because black lives matter,blah,blah,blah.For fuck sake
When one of you get your home or family threatened by some thug then let's talk about your hands off thinking.

josevolution

rr165892 said:

Ok hug patrol,first she DID hit the officer in the neck.It was slowed and showed on CNN last night.That alone got her flipped out the desk.
Gambsy,my kid has been an ass,and immature,and all the other shit normal teenagers were when he was in school.But bet your ass no matter what he knew to respect authority.This is not negotiable in our house.So no my kid wouldn't be in that pickle.
It kinda freaks me out how cottony soft ,PC and whiney society is getting.I know some of you are younger but those of us who graduated HS in the early and Mid Eighties,we still got paddled by teachers.My dean mr Stubbs drilled holes in his paddle for less wind resistance.I got the buisness end many times(yes even an angelic kid like me,hehe).I deserved it every time.He was black.I never cried racial bullshit.Maybe I had to pay the piper for my infractions,no harm no foul.I learned,matured and didn't do it again.
Whatcha know,I turned into a successful well respected member of society.Im not permantly scared,no ptsd.
You softees may want to start looking at the effects yours and others stance is having on arrests and crime throughout the country.Cops don't need this nonsense for doing a job none of you have the onions for.
I don't blame them.
Hey Dan-O how your contemporaries feel about getting involved I thankless bullshit inner city stuff?
Everything is over dramatized,filmed,and turned into race issues and police abuse.Great job Libs.We are getting that hard stance on crime you've been asking for.Because black lives matter,blah,blah,blah.For fuck sake
When one of you get your home or family threatened by some thug then let's talk about your hands off thinking.

Ok let me ask you why couldn't the cop just slide the desk with her on it to the hallway outside the classroom ? mr softee here

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

You people... geezuz, man.

Just render authority toothless? Why have any rules at all? If one can snub a school rule... why can't all?

It wasn't so much as her refusing to put her phone away as it was essentially telling all to go f**k themselves when they tried to deal with her belligerent attitude.

I'm assuming you think that behaviour is real cool, man. Others, such as myself, don't think it's way cool.

not cool at all....just not deserving of an assault by an adult male officer

Gern Blansten

pjhawks said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

no consequences for beligierient defiance i guess. #anarchy

why is it either an assault or nothing with you? No one is saying she shouldn't get disciplined, most of us are saying that the discipline shouldn't be illegal.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

You people... geezuz, man.

Just render authority toothless? Why have any rules at all? If one can snub a school rule... why can't all?

It wasn't so much as her refusing to put her phone away as it was essentially telling all to go f**k themselves when they tried to deal with her belligerent attitude.

I'm assuming you think that behaviour is real cool, man. Others, such as myself, don't think it's way cool.

not cool at all....just not deserving of an assault by an adult male officer

I'm not thinking that's 'assault'.

He did try and dump her out of the desk and perhaps excessively, but to call this an 'assault' is a stretch in my mind.

rr165892

josevolution said:

rr165892 said:

Ok hug patrol,first she DID hit the officer in the neck.It was slowed and showed on CNN last night.That alone got her flipped out the desk.
Gambsy,my kid has been an ass,and immature,and all the other shit normal teenagers were when he was in school.But bet your ass no matter what he knew to respect authority.This is not negotiable in our house.So no my kid wouldn't be in that pickle.
It kinda freaks me out how cottony soft ,PC and whiney society is getting.I know some of you are younger but those of us who graduated HS in the early and Mid Eighties,we still got paddled by teachers.My dean mr Stubbs drilled holes in his paddle for less wind resistance.I got the buisness end many times(yes even an angelic kid like me,hehe).I deserved it every time.He was black.I never cried racial bullshit.Maybe I had to pay the piper for my infractions,no harm no foul.I learned,matured and didn't do it again.
Whatcha know,I turned into a successful well respected member of society.Im not permantly scared,no ptsd.
You softees may want to start looking at the effects yours and others stance is having on arrests and crime throughout the country.Cops don't need this nonsense for doing a job none of you have the onions for.
I don't blame them.
Hey Dan-O how your contemporaries feel about getting involved I thankless bullshit inner city stuff?
Everything is over dramatized,filmed,and turned into race issues and police abuse.Great job Libs.We are getting that hard stance on crime you've been asking for.Because black lives matter,blah,blah,blah.For fuck sake
When one of you get your home or family threatened by some thug then let's talk about your hands off thinking.

Ok let me ask you why couldn't the cop just slide the desk with her on it to the hallway outside the classroom ? mr softee here

Jose,if she had not hit him or been resistant it wouldnt have been needed.again. A reaction to her action.acountability

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

You people... geezuz, man.

Just render authority toothless? Why have any rules at all? If one can snub a school rule... why can't all?

It wasn't so much as her refusing to put her phone away as it was essentially telling all to go f**k themselves when they tried to deal with her belligerent attitude.

I'm assuming you think that behaviour is real cool, man. Others, such as myself, don't think it's way cool.

not cool at all....just not deserving of an assault by an adult male officer

I'm not thinking that's 'assault'.

He did try and dump her out of the desk and perhaps excessively, but to call this an 'assault' is a stretch in my mind.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/black-teen-attacked-by-south-carolina-cop-has-a-cast-on-her-arm-and-neck-and-back-injuries/

"State Rep. Todd Rutherford (D-Columbia) told WLTX-TV the 16-year-old girl suffered arm, neck and back injuries when Fields grabbed her by the throat and threw her to the ground after the teen refused to hand over her cell phone to a teacher."

That's called assault.

Edit: Let's say you were sitting in a restaurant and someone came up to you and did what the officer did to the girl. Would that be assault?

josevolution

rr165892 said:

josevolution said:

rr165892 said:

Ok hug patrol,first she DID hit the officer in the neck.It was slowed and showed on CNN last night.That alone got her flipped out the desk.
Gambsy,my kid has been an ass,and immature,and all the other shit normal teenagers were when he was in school.But bet your ass no matter what he knew to respect authority.This is not negotiable in our house.So no my kid wouldn't be in that pickle.
It kinda freaks me out how cottony soft ,PC and whiney society is getting.I know some of you are younger but those of us who graduated HS in the early and Mid Eighties,we still got paddled by teachers.My dean mr Stubbs drilled holes in his paddle for less wind resistance.I got the buisness end many times(yes even an angelic kid like me,hehe).I deserved it every time.He was black.I never cried racial bullshit.Maybe I had to pay the piper for my infractions,no harm no foul.I learned,matured and didn't do it again.
Whatcha know,I turned into a successful well respected member of society.Im not permantly scared,no ptsd.
You softees may want to start looking at the effects yours and others stance is having on arrests and crime throughout the country.Cops don't need this nonsense for doing a job none of you have the onions for.
I don't blame them.
Hey Dan-O how your contemporaries feel about getting involved I thankless bullshit inner city stuff?
Everything is over dramatized,filmed,and turned into race issues and police abuse.Great job Libs.We are getting that hard stance on crime you've been asking for.Because black lives matter,blah,blah,blah.For fuck sake
When one of you get your home or family threatened by some thug then let's talk about your hands off thinking.

Ok let me ask you why couldn't the cop just slide the desk with her on it to the hallway outside the classroom ? mr softee here

Jose,if she had not hit him or been resistant it wouldnt have been needed.again. A reaction to her action.acountability

no way if you call the a punch then we def don't agree ....so you believe that swipe by her deserved that take down ....

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

and who ever here is saying she punched him is beyond blind ive watched the video she was able to slide her hand across his neck but that was no punch ......Plus if that was my daughter im challenging this cop to a fight we can go to a gym and fight in a ring no weapons just me & him thats how im settling this

But don't forget to stop by the school and apologize for your daughter's brutal behaviour.

Ensure them that it won't be happening again and advise them of the steps you are prepared to take so that it doesn't.

yeah that was brutal how she wouldn't put her phone away...bloodthirsty

You people... geezuz, man.

Just render authority toothless? Why have any rules at all? If one can snub a school rule... why can't all?

It wasn't so much as her refusing to put her phone away as it was essentially telling all to go f**k themselves when they tried to deal with her belligerent attitude.

I'm assuming you think that behaviour is real cool, man. Others, such as myself, don't think it's way cool.

not cool at all....just not deserving of an assault by an adult male officer

I'm not thinking that's 'assault'.

He did try and dump her out of the desk and perhaps excessively, but to call this an 'assault' is a stretch in my mind.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/black-teen-attacked-by-south-carolina-cop-has-a-cast-on-her-arm-and-neck-and-back-injuries/

"State Rep. Todd Rutherford (D-Columbia) told WLTX-TV the 16-year-old girl suffered arm, neck and back injuries when Fields grabbed her by the throat and threw her to the ground after the teen refused to hand over her cell phone to a teacher."

That's called assault.

Edit: Let's say you were sitting in a restaurant and someone came up to you and did what the officer did to the girl. Would that be assault?

Depends.

Am I sitting there minding my own business? Or am I being a general nuisance- bothering everyone as they are trying to eat their meals and defying management and their requests to leave the establishment?

Because in scenario number 2... that would be 'deserved' (not 'assault').

* Not to mention the fact that after being rightfully requested to leave... I would be a trespasser refusing to comply.