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What part of the procedure do you see needs changing?cincybearcat said:What the cops getting off really shows? Need systemic changes in the laws and law enforcement procedures. If they are getting off because they followed their proper procedures, etc....then those need changed pronto.0 -
agreedcincybearcat said:What the cops getting off really shows? Need systemic changes in the laws and law enforcement procedures. If they are getting off because they followed their proper procedures, etc....then those need changed pronto.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Come on now. Did you not visit Detroit in the 70's, 80's or 90's after the riots in the '60s...everybody wanted to move there...nicknyr15 said:
Yea you’re right. A few businesses, 2 lives, no biggie. More to come I’m sure but whatever.dignin said:
No cities have been destroyed or will be destroyed. A few businesses are not a city.nicknyr15 said:
Either way , cities will be destroyed. Apparently murdering cops and “burning it down” is the only way.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think Chauvin will be convicted, and the cops that were with him won’t.Glorified KC said:
That’s what makes me feel so depressed about this. Many of us are convinced the cops in all of these cases will get off without significant jail time. I have a hard time seeing how Chauvin is not given a guilty verdict considering it was in plain sight of what he did to George Floyd.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ugh...it was one when I got in the shower. Gonna be a shit show. Wait until the other cops (not Chauvin) get off in the Floyd case.mace1229 said:Well that didn’t take long. Just heard 2 Louisville officers already shot.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
if the cops are presenting old/outdated intel to the judge to get a warrant and something goes wrong, then the cops need to be held accountable for that.elvistheking44 said:
What part of the procedure do you see needs changing?cincybearcat said:What the cops getting off really shows? Need systemic changes in the laws and law enforcement procedures. If they are getting off because they followed their proper procedures, etc....then those need changed pronto.
these cops had apparently only seen the guy they were looking for at that residence once in the past several months, holding a box that later turned out to be (apparently) shoes breanna was returning to him, they suspected to be drugs.
no knock warrants should be rare and only if they suspect the occupants of the house to be heavily armed.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Ha! So very true.HughFreakingDillon said:i'm convinced many people around here would respond with entirely different opinions if you couldn't see the person's user name you were responding to.
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Where did the old information story come into play? I had not heard that. I was under the assumption that the cops had video and audio proof of the drug dealing from both breonna and her boyfriend. The former head of the Louisville NAACP even said that what the cops did was legal and completely approved by the judge who issued the warrant. The shooting was extremely unfortunate in every way.HughFreakingDillon said:
if the cops are presenting old/outdated intel to the judge to get a warrant and something goes wrong, then the cops need to be held accountable for that.elvistheking44 said:
What part of the procedure do you see needs changing?cincybearcat said:What the cops getting off really shows? Need systemic changes in the laws and law enforcement procedures. If they are getting off because they followed their proper procedures, etc....then those need changed pronto.
these cops had apparently only seen the guy they were looking for at that residence once in the past several months, holding a box that later turned out to be (apparently) shoes breanna was returning to him, they suspected to be drugs.
no knock warrants should be rare and only if they suspect the occupants of the house to be heavily armed.Post edited by elvistheking44 on0 -
an article i read was that intel was not current, like months old, corroborated by breonna's family saying he was her ex boyfriend and hadn't lived at her apartment in months.elvistheking44 said:
Where did the old information story come into play? I had not heard that. I was under the assumption that the cops had video and audio proof of the drug dealing from both breonna and her boyfriend. The former head of the Louisville NAACP even said that what the cops did was legal and completely approved by the judge who issued the warrant. The shooting was extremely unfortunate in every way.HughFreakingDillon said:
if the cops are presenting old/outdated intel to the judge to get a warrant and something goes wrong, then the cops need to be held accountable for that.elvistheking44 said:
What part of the procedure do you see needs changing?cincybearcat said:What the cops getting off really shows? Need systemic changes in the laws and law enforcement procedures. If they are getting off because they followed their proper procedures, etc....then those need changed pronto.
these cops had apparently only seen the guy they were looking for at that residence once in the past several months, holding a box that later turned out to be (apparently) shoes breanna was returning to him, they suspected to be drugs.
no knock warrants should be rare and only if they suspect the occupants of the house to be heavily armed.
i agree the shooting was unfortunate. i honestly don't know who's to blame; i don't know who provided the intel to the judge, i don't know how that works (except on cop shows on tv LOL). but the system broke down and an innocent woman was killed in her own home.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I don't know what the laws are around search warrants in Kentucky, but I mentioned in a post the other day that my experience is that illegal activity or intel needed to be recent and either observed or corroborated by a confidential informant. When you go before the judge with the warrant you are swearing that the information presented is true and accurate. In this case, it seems like that could be challenged, but I am not familiar with what the legal ramifications are in Kentucky. Most likely, that is part of the reason they settled for 12 million in civil damages. Other than that, the department could discipline or terminate the officer if they lied on the warrant.HughFreakingDillon said:
an article i read was that intel was not current, like months old, corroborated by breonna's family saying he was her ex boyfriend and hadn't lived at her apartment in months.elvistheking44 said:
Where did the old information story come into play? I had not heard that. I was under the assumption that the cops had video and audio proof of the drug dealing from both breonna and her boyfriend. The former head of the Louisville NAACP even said that what the cops did was legal and completely approved by the judge who issued the warrant. The shooting was extremely unfortunate in every way.HughFreakingDillon said:
if the cops are presenting old/outdated intel to the judge to get a warrant and something goes wrong, then the cops need to be held accountable for that.elvistheking44 said:
What part of the procedure do you see needs changing?cincybearcat said:What the cops getting off really shows? Need systemic changes in the laws and law enforcement procedures. If they are getting off because they followed their proper procedures, etc....then those need changed pronto.
these cops had apparently only seen the guy they were looking for at that residence once in the past several months, holding a box that later turned out to be (apparently) shoes breanna was returning to him, they suspected to be drugs.
no knock warrants should be rare and only if they suspect the occupants of the house to be heavily armed.
i agree the shooting was unfortunate. i honestly don't know who's to blame; i don't know who provided the intel to the judge, i don't know how that works (except on cop shows on tv LOL). but the system broke down and an innocent woman was killed in her own home.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Part of the problem with this case is it seems like there was one story floating around, and other information wasn't made available to the public. I understand not wanting to make all the information available in an open case, but then there should be better documentation or recordings. That's one thing I bet will change, how hard is it to have one officer record footage of them announcing themselves and knocking before breaking in? This case could have ended 6 months ago if there was actual footage of that.0
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The more I see/hear about the Taylor case the more I believe that policing in America absolutely needs to change and like, right now.
That said, I'm curious... do jurisdictions in the USA have impartial investigators called in for police shootings?
In Ontario, Canada for example, if criteria is met, we have an independent group called the Special Investigations Unit (SIU) called to investigate for proper police activity.
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What I found interesting is the same age across the board are being killed by cops. 20-30yo is peak ages of DBC.Halifax2TheMax said:Randy Paul's introduction of legislation was a political stunt, as he knows full well that it would never pass the Senate, being controlled by the party of state's rights and all. Just another empty gesture by the gRand Stander. If he had real moral courage, he'd be advocating for accountability via DOJ reform and getting more than two co-sponsers. Hell, there are 50+ repubs in the senate.
Police in the United States kill far more people than do police in other advanced industrial democracies (13). While a substantial body of evidence shows that people of color, especially African Americans, are at greater risk for experiencing criminal justice contact and police-involved harm than are whites (14⇓⇓⇓⇓–19), we lack basic estimates of the prevalence of police-involved deaths, largely due to the absence of definitive official data. Journalists have stepped into this void and initiated a series of systematic efforts to track police-involved killings. These data enable a richer understanding of the geographic and demographic patterning of police violence (17) and an evaluation of the magnitude of exposure to police violence over the life course.
Our results show that people of color face a higher likelihood of being killed by police than do white men and women, that risk peaks in young adulthood, and that men of color face a nontrivial lifetime risk of being killed by police.
displays the ratio of lifetime risk for each racial–ethnic group relative to risk for whites for both men and women. Note that a rate ratio of 1 indicates equality in mortality risk relative to whites. The highest levels of inequality in mortality risk are experienced by black men. Black men are about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police over the life course than are white men. Black women are about 1.4 times more likely to be killed by police than are white women. Although risks are estimated with less precision for American Indian/Alaska Native men and women than for other groups, we show that they face a higher lifetime risk of being killed by police than do whites. American Indian men are between 1.2 and 1.7 times more likely to be killed by police than are white men, and American Indian women are between 1.1 and 2.1 times more likely to be killed by police than are white women. Latino men are between 1.3 and 1.4 times more likely to be killed by police than are white men, but Latina women are between 12% and 23% less likely to be killed by police than are white women. Both Asian/Pacific Islander men and women are more than 50% less likely to be killed by police than are white men and women, respectively.
Among all groups, black men and boys face the highest lifetime risk of being killed by police. Our models predict that about 1 in 1,000 black men and boys will be killed by police over the life course (96 [77, 120] per 100,000). We predict that between 36 and 81 American Indian/Alaska Native men and boys per 100,000 will be killed by police over the life course. Latino men and boys have an estimated risk of being killed by police of about 53 per 100,000 [41, 67]. Asian/Pacific Islander men and boys face a lifetime risk of between 9 and 23 per 100,000, while white men and boys face a lifetime risk of about 39 [31, 48] per 100,000.
Between the ages of 25 y and 29 y, black men are killed by police at a rate between 2.8 and 4.1 per 100,000, American Indian and Alaska Native men are killed at a rate between 1.5 and 2.8 per 100,000, Asian/Pacific Islander men are killed by police at a rate between 0.3 and 0.6 per 100,000, Latino men at a rate between 1.4 and 2.2 per 100,000, and white men at a rate between 0.9 and 1.4 per 100,000. Inequalities in risk persist throughout the life course.
Our analysis shows that the risk of being killed by police is jointly patterned by one’s race, gender, and age. Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men, and young men of color face exceptionally high risk of being killed by police. Inequalities in risk are pronounced throughout the life course. This study reinforces calls to treat police violence as a public health issue (1, 4). Racially unequal exposure to the risk of state violence has profound consequences for public health, democracy, and racial stratification (5, 7⇓–9, 11).
The absence of authoritative official data is a key challenge in reducing police violence. The Bureau of Justice Statistics should renew efforts to develop comprehensive systems to track officer-involved deaths (4, 40). Both the public interest and social science are served by increasing transparency with regard to police use of force. Using such data, the research community has made strides in identifying officers most at risk of being involved in cases of excessive force (41) and system failures that result in civilian deaths (42).
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793
What I couldn't find the data on to back up the quote was "Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men, and young men of color face exceptionally high risk of being killed by police. Inequalities in risk are pronounced throughout the life course. This study reinforces calls to treat police violence as a public health issue."
Cops are the leading cause of death to young men? Not suicides, drugs or car crashes?
This is an interesting article. I'll have to sift through the data to digest more of it.0 -
You see NYC? People are leaving it by the tens of thousands. A mix of covid and the protests and people have had enough.dignin said:
No cities have been destroyed or will be destroyed. A few businesses are not a city.nicknyr15 said:
Either way , cities will be destroyed. Apparently murdering cops and “burning it down” is the only way.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think Chauvin will be convicted, and the cops that were with him won’t.Glorified KC said:
That’s what makes me feel so depressed about this. Many of us are convinced the cops in all of these cases will get off without significant jail time. I have a hard time seeing how Chauvin is not given a guilty verdict considering it was in plain sight of what he did to George Floyd.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ugh...it was one when I got in the shower. Gonna be a shit show. Wait until the other cops (not Chauvin) get off in the Floyd case.mace1229 said:Well that didn’t take long. Just heard 2 Louisville officers already shot.0 -
You have any data on that? I highly doubt people are leaving NYC by the tens of thousands because of protests, pretty far fetched.tempo_n_groove said:
You see NYC? People are leaving it by the tens of thousands. A mix of covid and the protests and people have had enough.dignin said:
No cities have been destroyed or will be destroyed. A few businesses are not a city.nicknyr15 said:
Either way , cities will be destroyed. Apparently murdering cops and “burning it down” is the only way.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think Chauvin will be convicted, and the cops that were with him won’t.Glorified KC said:
That’s what makes me feel so depressed about this. Many of us are convinced the cops in all of these cases will get off without significant jail time. I have a hard time seeing how Chauvin is not given a guilty verdict considering it was in plain sight of what he did to George Floyd.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ugh...it was one when I got in the shower. Gonna be a shit show. Wait until the other cops (not Chauvin) get off in the Floyd case.mace1229 said:Well that didn’t take long. Just heard 2 Louisville officers already shot.
And even if people are leaving, that is nowhere near destroying a city.
I can't believe people are buying Trumps nonsense that cities are being destroyed.0 -
Where do you live? Chicago on a Saturday night is a ghost town. Businesses closed, restaurants empty...building still boarded up because it’s not a matter of if but when the looters strike again...the city is being destroyed.dignin said:
You have any data on that? I highly doubt people are leaving NYC by the tens of thousands because of protests, pretty far fetched.tempo_n_groove said:
You see NYC? People are leaving it by the tens of thousands. A mix of covid and the protests and people have had enough.dignin said:
No cities have been destroyed or will be destroyed. A few businesses are not a city.nicknyr15 said:
Either way , cities will be destroyed. Apparently murdering cops and “burning it down” is the only way.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think Chauvin will be convicted, and the cops that were with him won’t.Glorified KC said:
That’s what makes me feel so depressed about this. Many of us are convinced the cops in all of these cases will get off without significant jail time. I have a hard time seeing how Chauvin is not given a guilty verdict considering it was in plain sight of what he did to George Floyd.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ugh...it was one when I got in the shower. Gonna be a shit show. Wait until the other cops (not Chauvin) get off in the Floyd case.mace1229 said:Well that didn’t take long. Just heard 2 Louisville officers already shot.
And even if people are leaving, that is nowhere near destroying a city.
I can't believe people are buying Trumps nonsense that cities are being destroyed.0 -
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/nyregion/nyc-suburbs-housing-demand.htmldignin said:
You have any data in that? I highly doubt people are leaving NYC by the tens of thousands because of protests, pretty far fetched.tempo_n_groove said:
You see NYC? People are leaving it by the tens of thousands. A mix of covid and the protests and people have had enough.dignin said:
No cities have been destroyed or will be destroyed. A few businesses are not a city.nicknyr15 said:
Either way , cities will be destroyed. Apparently murdering cops and “burning it down” is the only way.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think Chauvin will be convicted, and the cops that were with him won’t.Glorified KC said:
That’s what makes me feel so depressed about this. Many of us are convinced the cops in all of these cases will get off without significant jail time. I have a hard time seeing how Chauvin is not given a guilty verdict considering it was in plain sight of what he did to George Floyd.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ugh...it was one when I got in the shower. Gonna be a shit show. Wait until the other cops (not Chauvin) get off in the Floyd case.mace1229 said:Well that didn’t take long. Just heard 2 Louisville officers already shot.
And even if people are leaving, that is nowhere near destroying a city.
I can't believe people are buying Trumps nonsense that cities are being destroyed.
The data will be coming soon on how many left here.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/nyregion/nyc-suburbs-housing-demand.htmldignin said:
You have any data in that? I highly doubt people are leaving NYC by the tens of thousands because of protests, pretty far fetched.tempo_n_groove said:
You see NYC? People are leaving it by the tens of thousands. A mix of covid and the protests and people have had enough.dignin said:
No cities have been destroyed or will be destroyed. A few businesses are not a city.nicknyr15 said:
Either way , cities will be destroyed. Apparently murdering cops and “burning it down” is the only way.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think Chauvin will be convicted, and the cops that were with him won’t.Glorified KC said:
That’s what makes me feel so depressed about this. Many of us are convinced the cops in all of these cases will get off without significant jail time. I have a hard time seeing how Chauvin is not given a guilty verdict considering it was in plain sight of what he did to George Floyd.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ugh...it was one when I got in the shower. Gonna be a shit show. Wait until the other cops (not Chauvin) get off in the Floyd case.mace1229 said:Well that didn’t take long. Just heard 2 Louisville officers already shot.
And even if people are leaving, that is nowhere near destroying a city.
I can't believe people are buying Trumps nonsense that cities are being destroyed.
The data will be coming soon on how many left here.
Quick search of that article yields zero mentions of 'protest' or 'violence'.0 -
Yeah, did the same thing.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/nyregion/nyc-suburbs-housing-demand.htmldignin said:
You have any data in that? I highly doubt people are leaving NYC by the tens of thousands because of protests, pretty far fetched.tempo_n_groove said:
You see NYC? People are leaving it by the tens of thousands. A mix of covid and the protests and people have had enough.dignin said:
No cities have been destroyed or will be destroyed. A few businesses are not a city.nicknyr15 said:
Either way , cities will be destroyed. Apparently murdering cops and “burning it down” is the only way.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think Chauvin will be convicted, and the cops that were with him won’t.Glorified KC said:
That’s what makes me feel so depressed about this. Many of us are convinced the cops in all of these cases will get off without significant jail time. I have a hard time seeing how Chauvin is not given a guilty verdict considering it was in plain sight of what he did to George Floyd.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ugh...it was one when I got in the shower. Gonna be a shit show. Wait until the other cops (not Chauvin) get off in the Floyd case.mace1229 said:Well that didn’t take long. Just heard 2 Louisville officers already shot.
And even if people are leaving, that is nowhere near destroying a city.
I can't believe people are buying Trumps nonsense that cities are being destroyed.
The data will be coming soon on how many left here.
Quick search of that article yields zero mentions of 'protest' or 'violence'.
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Most cities are a ghost town on Saturday nights. I know I don't go out anymore and it has nothing to do with protesters.elvistheking44 said:
Where do you live? Chicago on a Saturday night is a ghost town. Businesses closed, restaurants empty...building still boarded up because it’s not a matter of if but when the looters strike again...the city is being destroyed.dignin said:
You have any data on that? I highly doubt people are leaving NYC by the tens of thousands because of protests, pretty far fetched.tempo_n_groove said:
You see NYC? People are leaving it by the tens of thousands. A mix of covid and the protests and people have had enough.dignin said:
No cities have been destroyed or will be destroyed. A few businesses are not a city.nicknyr15 said:
Either way , cities will be destroyed. Apparently murdering cops and “burning it down” is the only way.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think Chauvin will be convicted, and the cops that were with him won’t.Glorified KC said:
That’s what makes me feel so depressed about this. Many of us are convinced the cops in all of these cases will get off without significant jail time. I have a hard time seeing how Chauvin is not given a guilty verdict considering it was in plain sight of what he did to George Floyd.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ugh...it was one when I got in the shower. Gonna be a shit show. Wait until the other cops (not Chauvin) get off in the Floyd case.mace1229 said:Well that didn’t take long. Just heard 2 Louisville officers already shot.
And even if people are leaving, that is nowhere near destroying a city.
I can't believe people are buying Trumps nonsense that cities are being destroyed.
There is a pandemic right now0 -
Due to Covid and the realization that you can "work from home" from almost anywhere and not have to deal with a long commute, public transportation and the teeming masses. Plus, trade your 1,200 sq ft apartment for a 4,000 sq ft house in the burbs or upstate for less than half of your monthly rent. Both employees and employers are learning this and its because of Covid, not rioters, protesters and looters destroying cities. Major metropolitan areas will be re-invented if an when things return to "normal."elvistheking44 said:
Where do you live? Chicago on a Saturday night is a ghost town. Businesses closed, restaurants empty...building still boarded up because it’s not a matter of if but when the looters strike again...the city is being destroyed.dignin said:
You have any data on that? I highly doubt people are leaving NYC by the tens of thousands because of protests, pretty far fetched.tempo_n_groove said:
You see NYC? People are leaving it by the tens of thousands. A mix of covid and the protests and people have had enough.dignin said:
No cities have been destroyed or will be destroyed. A few businesses are not a city.nicknyr15 said:
Either way , cities will be destroyed. Apparently murdering cops and “burning it down” is the only way.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think Chauvin will be convicted, and the cops that were with him won’t.Glorified KC said:
That’s what makes me feel so depressed about this. Many of us are convinced the cops in all of these cases will get off without significant jail time. I have a hard time seeing how Chauvin is not given a guilty verdict considering it was in plain sight of what he did to George Floyd.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ugh...it was one when I got in the shower. Gonna be a shit show. Wait until the other cops (not Chauvin) get off in the Floyd case.mace1229 said:Well that didn’t take long. Just heard 2 Louisville officers already shot.
And even if people are leaving, that is nowhere near destroying a city.
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Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/nyregion/nyc-suburbs-housing-demand.htmldignin said:
You have any data in that? I highly doubt people are leaving NYC by the tens of thousands because of protests, pretty far fetched.tempo_n_groove said:
You see NYC? People are leaving it by the tens of thousands. A mix of covid and the protests and people have had enough.dignin said:
No cities have been destroyed or will be destroyed. A few businesses are not a city.nicknyr15 said:
Either way , cities will be destroyed. Apparently murdering cops and “burning it down” is the only way.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think Chauvin will be convicted, and the cops that were with him won’t.Glorified KC said:
That’s what makes me feel so depressed about this. Many of us are convinced the cops in all of these cases will get off without significant jail time. I have a hard time seeing how Chauvin is not given a guilty verdict considering it was in plain sight of what he did to George Floyd.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ugh...it was one when I got in the shower. Gonna be a shit show. Wait until the other cops (not Chauvin) get off in the Floyd case.mace1229 said:Well that didn’t take long. Just heard 2 Louisville officers already shot.
And even if people are leaving, that is nowhere near destroying a city.
I can't believe people are buying Trumps nonsense that cities are being destroyed.
The data will be coming soon on how many left here.
Quick search of that article yields zero mentions of 'protest' or 'violence'.
Yes I understand that, I am showing you that people ARE leaving NYC in droves though.dignin said:
Yeah, did the same thing.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/nyregion/nyc-suburbs-housing-demand.htmldignin said:
You have any data in that? I highly doubt people are leaving NYC by the tens of thousands because of protests, pretty far fetched.tempo_n_groove said:
You see NYC? People are leaving it by the tens of thousands. A mix of covid and the protests and people have had enough.dignin said:
No cities have been destroyed or will be destroyed. A few businesses are not a city.nicknyr15 said:
Either way , cities will be destroyed. Apparently murdering cops and “burning it down” is the only way.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think Chauvin will be convicted, and the cops that were with him won’t.Glorified KC said:
That’s what makes me feel so depressed about this. Many of us are convinced the cops in all of these cases will get off without significant jail time. I have a hard time seeing how Chauvin is not given a guilty verdict considering it was in plain sight of what he did to George Floyd.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ugh...it was one when I got in the shower. Gonna be a shit show. Wait until the other cops (not Chauvin) get off in the Floyd case.mace1229 said:Well that didn’t take long. Just heard 2 Louisville officers already shot.
And even if people are leaving, that is nowhere near destroying a city.
I can't believe people are buying Trumps nonsense that cities are being destroyed.
The data will be coming soon on how many left here.
Quick search of that article yields zero mentions of 'protest' or 'violence'.0
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