Iraq
gimmesometruth27
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i am surprised nobody has posted anything about this. the country is in serious trouble right now. so many of the cities that the "coalition" fought so hard to secure have been taken back by extremist groups and militants.
i thought for sure people would be on here bashing obama about it, but i am really surprised nobody here is saying anything about it.
we said it back in 2003. invading is a terrible idea. and as soon as we leave, everything those brave men and women fought so hard for will be lost.
so yeah, we really screwed the pooch on this one. thank you neocons and all of your amazing wisdom. history will judge you even more harshly than i do.
i thought for sure people would be on here bashing obama about it, but i am really surprised nobody here is saying anything about it.
we said it back in 2003. invading is a terrible idea. and as soon as we leave, everything those brave men and women fought so hard for will be lost.
so yeah, we really screwed the pooch on this one. thank you neocons and all of your amazing wisdom. history will judge you even more harshly than i do.
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tikrit, his hometown, fell a few days ago.
at least with saddam, sometimes you are better off with the devil that you know versus the devil that you don't.
i just hope we learn a lesson from this, but knowing our government, we won't.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I realize some or many of the people over there don't war's and death on their streets but they seem to be o.k with bashing the U.S in the name of islam or burning our flag and defending the terrorist that attack people and places of countries other than their own..... please forgive me and my rant for the morning
Godfather.
The U.S supported Sadaam when he was busy murdering Iranians and Kurds, and sold him the chemical weapons that he allegedly used upon civilians. And the U.S government continued supporting him up until 1991.
So why did you single out Sadaam? Because your government and media told you to?
Godfather.
from: united for iraq in Berkly Ca.
My Son Shahram Ahmadi has been sentenced to death. His case will be reviewed by the Supreme Court in the upcoming weeks. He is 26 years old and has spent the last 6 years of his life in prison. I couldn’t stop the execution of his younger brother Bahram and had a heart attack when I heard the news. The Iranian government refuses to hand over Bahram’s body. Now I need your help to stop Shahram’s execution.
Bahram, on the right in the picture above, has been executed and Shahram, on the left, can be saved.
We are Sunni and Kurd. My son Shahram like many other Sunni youths has been critical of how badly the Iranian government treats the Sunni minority. Security police arrested him in April 2009 on his way home from mosque in our town, Sanandaj. They shot, beat, and kicked my son in the face, breaking his nose and head. They took him to the Intelligence Bureau of Sanandaj and subjected him to severe torture including electric shocks and forced him to falsely confess to armed resistance. It took the authorities 10 months before they allowed us to see him.
My son's trial was unfair. The authorities kept him in detention for 4 years before charging him. The first time they allowed him to talk to his attorney was on the day of his trial. His trial lasted less than 10 minutes. Judge Mohammad Moghiseh used his coerced confession, the only evidence against him, to declare him a mohareb (enemy of God). I have no doubt that my son would have been found innocent if he had received a fair trial.
Your support could save my son. In the past international pressure has been instrumental in protecting individuals who had been unfairly prosecuted in Iran. A recent example is Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani who in 2006 was sentenced to stoning. Due to international pressure her sentence was later reduced to 10 years in prison and in March of this year, the Iranian judiciary announced that she has been released.
Shahram is not the only one at risk. Dozens of other Kurds have been unfairly sentenced to death. Most of their cases are waiting review by the Supreme Court. We do not have much time. Please help me save my son and the other Kurds' lives by asking Iranian officials to halt their executions and grant them fair trials.
Godfather.
you ask many snarky questions on this board and i am seeing that you avoid answering the snarky questions that are asked of you so why dont you tell us, without hindsight or blaming EITHER administration what solution you would offer? How many lives is it worth to you to be the Middle East Police...if its just a humanitarian urge, without media/political influence, dont you think we could save more lives for less money if we went to the Sudan with our aid?
By the way, they're not asking for help solely from the American people. This website has an international base:
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I wish we were not involved at all, one life is too many, we should not act until acted upon. no aid to any middle eastern country.
Godfather.
Godfather.
THAT is what the US military was fighting for, wittingly or not...divide and conquer....or 'Balkanization'
Iraq is now a staging ground, likely for both sides, in Syria. The violence in Syria is related to the violence in Libya and Ukraine as well. Viewed from a geopolitical standpoint, these are all chess moves in Zbigs 'New Great Game'....nothing to do with freeing peoples oppressed by a dictator. Nothing to do with Dems or the GOP. Everything to do with maintaining the western power structures. It's part and parcel of a foreign policy supported by governing parties for nearly 200 years. I would tend to agree, however it would depend where the aid was coming from, where it went, and who administered it. Too often humanitarian aid comes in the form of economic aid, tied to west-benefiting alliances and neoliberal principles of debt and austerity....which is usually the end goal of any military conflict we get involved in.
To quote our former Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, "democracy is messy." The Iraqi people are the only ones who can determine whether they want to live under ISIS or some other form of government. Those who cannot remember the past, the chickenhawks in the Bush administration, I turn my lonely eyes to you, are condemned to repeat it.
And Mr. Lux, you are correct, if there wasn't any oil in Iraq, we wouldn't even be discussing this.
Peace.
PS: I mean no disrespect toward the members of the armed forces who served and to their families who lost loved ones. They will always have my gratitude.
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I don't think it is all the 20/20 hindsight. Many people foresaw this coming... way back in 2003 when we decided to switch our military focus away from Afghanistan, over to Iraq because the Administration had a hard-on for Hussein. I know, I saw it coming. Many of us understood the reason why there were no Arab Nations in our war coalition was because the Sunni majority in the region knew that Hussein was keeping the Iraqi Shi'ite majority in check. Primarily, keeping the Iranian Shi'ites in check and preventing them from coming into Iraq and creating an overwhelming majority. Arab leaders feared a stronger Iran/Iraq Shi'ite bloc would emerge as emmigration across the once closed Iraqi/Iranian border was opened up. Many people knew that Hussein was sitting on a powder keg with a lit fuse... we took him out so now, we had to sit on it. This current violence was going to happen, no matter if we left in 2005, 2012, 2020 or 2099. As soon as the Iron Fist is clamped down on the situation was eased off, there would be open warfare in the streets. We took over the Iron Fist from Hussein and now that is it in the hands of a weak al-Maliki leadership... the whole fucking thing blows up. We knew that going in... we knew this was a bad idea.
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Now... you want to focus on today... okay. What do you want us to do?
Remember, we are sided with the group in Syria... that is taking up the insurgency in Iraq. Do we fight with them in Syria and against them in Iraq? If so, how do we do that and is it a good idea in the first place? Also, the Shi'ite run Iraqi government will probably get aid from Iran. If we help Iraq, we will be allied with Iran!!!
Secondly... how much taxpayer money have we poured into Iraqi Security Forces? What did we get?
Answer: A shitload of cash, that's how much we spent. And what we got was the SAME people who dropped their weapons and waved the white flag to U.S. troops in 2003 in minute the first shot was fired are the ones fleeing aganst insurgents.
Why did we think... anything would be different?
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Finally... you asked Gimme, "Do you support taking no action, or do you support taking action?". I won't answer for Gimme, but here is my answer....
We've helped Iraq already. I believe it is about time they decided what to do in and with their country. Sending military hardware to the al-Maliki government may possibly make it's way into the hands of Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) insurgents. My opinion is.. that is not good.
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So, really... looking over all of the scenarios prior to our invasion/occupation/regime change in 2003... one of the better solutions may have been to leave Saddam Hussein in power under the containment program set into place by the 1991 Gulf War and let the powder keg eventually blow up in his face, not ours.
Hail, Hail!!!
Sir... do you want to help the Sunnis in Iran?
Before you answer... I hope you understand that the insurgents fighting in Iraq are Sunni minorities, too.
Now... what to you propose we do about this situation in Iran?
Hail, Hail!!!
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You have OIL?!?!?!
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Oh... you don't?
Oh, well... then, fuck you.
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Hail, Hail!!!
no and stay out of iran (or anywhere in the middle east), like I said earlier, no aid at all and not to act unless acted upon.
Godfather.
solve your problems......did barry-o say that ??????? hahhahhahhahhahha
That's kind of what I figured... because of your past stated hatred of Muslims.
I just thought is was odd that you had poseted a letter about injustices to Sunnis in Iran.. in a discussion of Iraq. I actually sounded like you were concerned about this father's son.
That was why I asked...
That's all.
Hail, Hail!!!
Sir... I need to ask...
what is funny about that?
I mean, what is so funny about telling Iraq that they need to quit dropping their weapons and waiving the white flag as soon as someone points a gun at them?
How much money did we spent trainning thier forces? How many Servicemen and women lost thie lives or have been serverly injured in standing them up to fight for themselves?
Please, tell me why shouldn't they use the weapons and trainning we gave them... to stand up and fight for themselves?
I am seriously looking forward to see how you answer this.
Hail, Hail!!!