America's Gun Violence

josevolution

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

I’ve said it before I’ll say it again own as many guns as you want , I don’t socialize with folks who own weapons that’s my way of keeping myself safe ..

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Agreed...which is what the majority believes yet we seem like the minority

tempo_n_groove

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

anything that allows you to mow down a classroom with one pull should be illegal. 

josevolution

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

But in the black market you can buy any weapons you desire no am I wrong? Let me ask you? With the weapon you own if you wanted too how many kills could you make? This is a hypothetical folks I know Chris and I’m sure he’s very responsible ...let me put it this was how many standing targets can you hit ..

Gern Blansten

I could own surface to air missiles and be very responsible with them.  That doesn't mean squat.

Society as a whole benefits from assault weapons bans.  The data supports that.

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

anything that allows you to mow down a classroom with one pull should be illegal. 

And that gun is illegal to own without extensive backround checks and very, very expensive to own.

josevolution

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

anything that allows you to mow down a classroom with one pull should be illegal. 

And that gun is illegal to own without extensive backround checks and very, very expensive to own.

But if you pass the checks you can own it? 

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

I could own surface to air missiles and be very responsible with them.  That doesn't mean squat.

Society as a whole benefits from assault weapons bans.  The data supports that.

Assault weapons are banned but you knew that...

I really shouldn't pick on you about verbiage, it's low lying fruit.  I understand what you mean and I disagree.

mcgruff10

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

anything that allows you to mow down a classroom with one pull should be illegal. 

And that gun is illegal to own without extensive backround checks and very, very expensive to own.

I think that is a class 3 permit.  Fully auto would be cool to shoot but I don't see a reason to own one.  

tempo_n_groove

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

But in the black market you can buy any weapons you desire no am I wrong? Let me ask you? With the weapon you own if you wanted too how many kills could you make? This is a hypothetical folks I know Chris and I’m sure he’s very responsible ...let me put it this was how many standing targets can you hit ..

If I do it with a handgun, hit all the targets, does that change your mind?  I was trained with a sidearm and shotgun and not a rifle.

mcgruff10

Gern Blansten said:

I could own surface to air missiles and be very responsible with them.  That doesn't mean squat.

Society as a whole benefits from assault weapons bans.  The data supports that.

I disagree, assault weapons are scary looking but are hardly used in any crimes.  Handguns are what need to be heavily regulated but sadly will never be.  

mcgruff10

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

But in the black market you can buy any weapons you desire no am I wrong? Let me ask you? With the weapon you own if you wanted too how many kills could you make? This is a hypothetical folks I know Chris and I’m sure he’s very responsible ...let me put it this was how many standing targets can you hit ..

I 've said it before Jose but a key factor in all this is mag restriction.  In New Jersey (and I believe New York) we are limited to a ten round mag; I don't have an issue with that.  However let's not go any lower.

Gern Blansten

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I could own surface to air missiles and be very responsible with them.  That doesn't mean squat.

Society as a whole benefits from assault weapons bans.  The data supports that.

I disagree, assault weapons are scary looking but are hardly used in any crimes.  Handguns are what need to be heavily regulated but sadly will never be.  

Hardly used except for shooting up schools....but yes I agree about regulation.

A gun should be licensed and registered just like an automobile or a fucking snowmobile.  No second hand sales.....ever

mcgruff10

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I could own surface to air missiles and be very responsible with them.  That doesn't mean squat.

Society as a whole benefits from assault weapons bans.  The data supports that.

I disagree, assault weapons are scary looking but are hardly used in any crimes.  Handguns are what need to be heavily regulated but sadly will never be.  

Hardly used except for shooting up schools....but yes I agree about regulation.

A gun should be licensed and registered just like an automobile or a fucking snowmobile.  No second hand sales.....ever

No problems with that here.  New Jersey (where I live) makes you register every firearm.  

mcgruff10

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

But in the black market you can buy any weapons you desire no am I wrong? Let me ask you? With the weapon you own if you wanted too how many kills could you make? This is a hypothetical folks I know Chris and I’m sure he’s very responsible ...let me put it this was how many standing targets can you hit ..

If I do it with a handgun, hit all the targets, does that change your mind?  I was trained with a sidearm and shotgun and not a rifle.

Funny I've been using shotguns and rifles since I was ten but a handgun is pretty foreign to me.  300 yards with a rifle, no problem.  15 yards with a handgun, no bueno.  

josevolution

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

But in the black market you can buy any weapons you desire no am I wrong? Let me ask you? With the weapon you own if you wanted too how many kills could you make? This is a hypothetical folks I know Chris and I’m sure he’s very responsible ...let me put it this was how many standing targets can you hit ..

If I do it with a handgun, hit all the targets, does that change your mind?  I was trained with a sidearm and shotgun and not a rifle.

It’s not about changing my mind , I’ll be 60 this year I’ve made it this far without ever holding a gun let alone shoot one ..
Can I ask again in the black market can you get any weapon you want I’m talking guns , rifles , etc etc ? 

oftenreading

mcgruff10 said: moo

Gern Blansten said:

I could own surface to air missiles and be very responsible with them.  That doesn't mean squat.

Society as a whole benefits from assault weapons bans.  The data supports that.

I disagree, assault weapons are scary looking but are hardly used in any crimes.  Handguns are what need to be heavily regulated but sadly will never be.  

Whether or not they are frequently or infrequently used in crimes doesn’t alter the fact that banning these weapons is effective in reducing a particular type of crime, i.e. mass shootings. Both, or rather all types, of firearms should be heavily regulated. 

tempo_n_groove

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

But in the black market you can buy any weapons you desire no am I wrong? Let me ask you? With the weapon you own if you wanted too how many kills could you make? This is a hypothetical folks I know Chris and I’m sure he’s very responsible ...let me put it this was how many standing targets can you hit ..

If I do it with a handgun, hit all the targets, does that change your mind?  I was trained with a sidearm and shotgun and not a rifle.

It’s not about changing my mind , I’ll be 60 this year I’ve made it this far without ever holding a gun let alone shoot one ..
Can I ask again in the black market can you get any weapon you want I’m talking guns , rifles , etc etc ? 

I knew of only one person in my life that smuggled guns and they never were able to get full auto weapons.

If you want to talk black market though I am sure you can get anything you wanted but I see zero point in owning something illegal.  I'm also not a hardened criminal that is looking for a gun.

mcgruff10

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...

I respect that; Everyone is different.  But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one. 

Agree.  It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.

Here is the thing though, you can't just own ANY weapon of your choosing.

Ammo doesn't mean squat if you don't have the firearm to put it in but the only ammo I see that should be throttled is steel core which is in effect.

But in the black market you can buy any weapons you desire no am I wrong? Let me ask you? With the weapon you own if you wanted too how many kills could you make? This is a hypothetical folks I know Chris and I’m sure he’s very responsible ...let me put it this was how many standing targets can you hit ..

If I do it with a handgun, hit all the targets, does that change your mind?  I was trained with a sidearm and shotgun and not a rifle.

It’s not about changing my mind , I’ll be 60 this year I’ve made it this far without ever holding a gun let alone shoot one ..
Can I ask again in the black market can you get any weapon you want I’m talking guns , rifles , etc etc ? 

Maybe go to the dark web and you can find the answer to  your question.  
However I'm sure you can get whatever you want on the black market if you want it bad enough and have the cash for it.