America's Gun Violence
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To add, "the wild west" is a common term used by both sides of the gun argument. You knew exactly how I was using it, no need to point out the gun laws from the late 1800's.oftenreading said:
But it’s you using those words here, not anybody else, so maybe use accurate terms.mcgruff10 said:
When I used it I wasn’t referencing it to the gun laws of the late 1800s. People often refer to our current situation as “the Wild West.” I was using their (gun control activists) words.HughFreakingDillon said:e we to trust anyone else?
if you knew that (full disclosure: I did not) why did you use it as a way to describe your opinion on america's paranoia over the situation?
No trouble here with nuance.
Not worried about what? Losing your assault rifle?
You know every now and then I watch too much news and listen to too many pundits about this and I get worried for a second, then I realize that all it is, is fear mongering and then I'm not worried anymore.Agreed....at some point gun control will happen. We will get to a point where even the complete gun nuts agree.Gern Blansten said:tempo_n_groove said:Gern Blansten said:HesCalledDyer said:Gern Blansten said:Wow, just wow. This is what happens when we normalize violence and gun ownership under the guise of "its muh freedumb" and "defend muh home." People think they can just whip out a gun over any fucking disagreement or 1st world problem now. Imagine if I just fucking pulled a side piece in the Levi's store the other day because they wouldn't honor the posted sale price on a pair of jeans - rather than the sensible response of "that's ok, it's only a couple bucks and I need new jeans." Or threatened to shoot the sushi delivery guy because they sentAlso, much of the “Wild West” actually had stricter gun laws than the present day. Pretty much none of the settled towns allowed open or concealed carry for either citizens or visitors in the towns. Shootings in towns were rare.
I'm still a fan of good guy with a gun because it does in fact work. When my next nra magazine comes in the mail I'll be sure to take a photo of the page that focuses on law abiding citizens using firearms to defend themselves against criminals.
I already knew that history lesson; here' s a great article just in case you want to dive deeper into the subject: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gun-control-old-west-180968013/I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
THEN will you leave us alone?mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
So if everyone that owns one gets training we can keep them and everyone leaves us alone?mickeyrat said:no, its not just responsible gun owner, its former military, current reserve deputy, current firearms instructor employs extensive training and judgement as volunteer security.........not JUST that , but its pretty fucking important and solidly in line with 2A as written with common understanding of word usage of the time it was written. maybe some tactical style training as well.and leave you alone? no. continuing education and proficiency testing on an annual or biannual basis.0 -
Yea, no wild Wild West here. ‘Murica.
It’s a fun archive. Particularly for sleeping one year olds, folks stepping outside to look at fireworks and maintenance men reporting to the office, among others.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I have no problem with continuing education or annual/biannual proficiency training depending on what it entails. Do you mean qualifying?tempo_n_groove said:
THEN will you leave us alone?mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
So if everyone that owns one gets training we can keep them and everyone leaves us alone?mickeyrat said:no, its not just responsible gun owner, its former military, current reserve deputy, current firearms instructor employs extensive training and judgement as volunteer security.........not JUST that , but its pretty fucking important and solidly in line with 2A as written with common understanding of word usage of the time it was written. maybe some tactical style training as well.and leave you alone? no. continuing education and proficiency testing on an annual or biannual basis.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
How is it gun violence when there are no injured or killed? Like do they report every incident where a shot is fired?Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, no wild Wild West here. ‘Murica.
It’s a fun archive. Particularly for sleeping one year olds, folks stepping outside to look at fireworks and maintenance men reporting to the office, among others.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hoursI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
They explain their methodology and link to their sources, usually local press reports with quotes from local officials. So random shootings without “victims” isn’t “gun violence?” How would you define it? “Responsible?” You’d be okay with your neighbors randomly squeezing off a few, as long as there’s no killed or injured?mcgruff10 said:
How is it gun violence when there are no injured or killed? Like do they report every incident where a shot is fired?Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, no wild Wild West here. ‘Murica.
It’s a fun archive. Particularly for sleeping one year olds, folks stepping outside to look at fireworks and maintenance men reporting to the office, among others.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
Do us a favor and start a thread of “Good Guys With Guns” and link to that fine NRA reporting so we too can feel safe knowing that everyday someone is saved by a “responsible” gun owner.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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mcgruff10 said:
I have no problem with continuing education or annual/biannual proficiency training depending on what it entails. Do you mean qualifying?tempo_n_groove said:
THEN will you leave us alone?mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
So if everyone that owns one gets training we can keep them and everyone leaves us alone?mickeyrat said:no, its not just responsible gun owner, its former military, current reserve deputy, current firearms instructor employs extensive training and judgement as volunteer security.........not JUST that , but its pretty fucking important and solidly in line with 2A as written with common understanding of word usage of the time it was written. maybe some tactical style training as well.and leave you alone? no. continuing education and proficiency testing on an annual or biannual basis.me? not if your initial testing shows proficiency. then just show continued proficiency. do you guys feel thats unreasonable?imo the states can and should demand it under the well regulated wording. Which to my research suggests it meant well ordered i.e. trained.you know initially we werent supposed to have a standing army. I believe the initial ineffectiveness during 1812 showed how unregulated the militias actually were. so we now have a standing army. AND Well Regulated National Guard(militia) from each state......._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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I don't feel like that is unreasonable at all. I would have no problem with annual/semi-annual proficiency test.mickeyrat said:mcgruff10 said:
I have no problem with continuing education or annual/biannual proficiency training depending on what it entails. Do you mean qualifying?tempo_n_groove said:
THEN will you leave us alone?mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
So if everyone that owns one gets training we can keep them and everyone leaves us alone?mickeyrat said:no, its not just responsible gun owner, its former military, current reserve deputy, current firearms instructor employs extensive training and judgement as volunteer security.........not JUST that , but its pretty fucking important and solidly in line with 2A as written with common understanding of word usage of the time it was written. maybe some tactical style training as well.and leave you alone? no. continuing education and proficiency testing on an annual or biannual basis.me? not if your initial testing shows proficiency. then just show continued proficiency. do you guys feel thats unreasonable?imo the states can and should demand it under the well regulated wording. Which to my research suggests it meant well ordered i.e. trained.you know initially we werent supposed to have a standing army. I believe the initial ineffectiveness during 1812 showed how unregulated the militias actually were. so we now have a standing army. AND Well Regulated National Guard(militia) from each state.......
Mickey do many truck drivers (like what you do for a living) carry while on the road?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I will check up on their methodology, it was an honest question.Halifax2TheMax said:
They explain their methodology and link to their sources, usually local press reports with quotes from local officials. So random shootings without “victims” isn’t “gun violence?” How would you define it? “Responsible?” You’d be okay with your neighbors randomly squeezing off a few, as long as there’s no killed or injured?mcgruff10 said:
How is it gun violence when there are no injured or killed? Like do they report every incident where a shot is fired?Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, no wild Wild West here. ‘Murica.
It’s a fun archive. Particularly for sleeping one year olds, folks stepping outside to look at fireworks and maintenance men reporting to the office, among others.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
Do us a favor and start a thread of “Good Guys With Guns” and link to that fine NRA reporting so we too can feel safe knowing that everyday someone is saved by a “responsible” gun owner.
Why do you paint this doomsday picture of gun owners? Millions up millions of people hunted this past season and last time I checked, no mass shootings or human slaughter in the field. However accidents will happen like in any other hobby.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
mcgruff10 said:
I don't feel like that is unreasonable at all. I would have no problem with annual/semi-annual proficiency test.mickeyrat said:mcgruff10 said:
I have no problem with continuing education or annual/biannual proficiency training depending on what it entails. Do you mean qualifying?tempo_n_groove said:
THEN will you leave us alone?mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
So if everyone that owns one gets training we can keep them and everyone leaves us alone?mickeyrat said:no, its not just responsible gun owner, its former military, current reserve deputy, current firearms instructor employs extensive training and judgement as volunteer security.........not JUST that , but its pretty fucking important and solidly in line with 2A as written with common understanding of word usage of the time it was written. maybe some tactical style training as well.and leave you alone? no. continuing education and proficiency testing on an annual or biannual basis.me? not if your initial testing shows proficiency. then just show continued proficiency. do you guys feel thats unreasonable?imo the states can and should demand it under the well regulated wording. Which to my research suggests it meant well ordered i.e. trained.you know initially we werent supposed to have a standing army. I believe the initial ineffectiveness during 1812 showed how unregulated the militias actually were. so we now have a standing army. AND Well Regulated National Guard(militia) from each state.......
Mickey do many truck drivers (like what you do for a living) carry while on the road?illegal in a truck. vast majority are company drivers or leased onto a carrier, which makes them subject to company inspections and subject to firing.true owner ops though? really hard to say. they wont advertise it thats for sure....._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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we all have a hammer, hand sledge, hard rubber mallet or tire thumper that comes in handy if needed. but of course that doesnt stop a bullet.and there have been drivers killed during robberies. handful a year that come across my radar...._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
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Nope, it's not OSHA and shouldn't be treated as such.tbergs said:
What do you consider adequate training and how frequently for recertification? I'm thinking every 3 years after at least an initial 40 hour in class course that covers safety, laws, storage, history, nomenclature, etc. and at least another 40 at the range with hands on training and a proficiency test for both sections. Refresher course every 3 years would require an 8 hour course broken in to 2 (4) hour segments for in class and hands on. This of course would be in tandem with a gun registry process.tempo_n_groove said:
I'd go back again too.mcgruff10 said:
I'm up for some training! Let's do this.tempo_n_groove said:
So if everyone that owns one gets training we can keep them and everyone leaves us alone?mickeyrat said:no, its not just responsible gun owner, its former military, current reserve deputy, current firearms instructor employs extensive training and judgement as volunteer security.........
I'd love to do more training but that would only pacify people for so long.0 -
I don't fear for my safety when I go out in public and I'm sorry that you do.HesCalledDyer said:tempo_n_groove said:Gern Blansten said:
Not worried about what? Losing your assault rifle?tempo_n_groove said:
You know every now and then I watch too much news and listen to too many pundits about this and I get worried for a second, then I realize that all it is, is fear mongering and then I'm not worried anymore.Gern Blansten said:
Agreed....at some point gun control will happen. We will get to a point where even the complete gun nuts agree.HesCalledDyer said:Gern Blansten said:Wow, just wow. This is what happens when we normalize violence and gun ownership under the guise of "its muh freedumb" and "defend muh home." People think they can just whip out a gun over any fucking disagreement or 1st world problem now. Imagine if I just fucking pulled a side piece in the Levi's store the other day because they wouldn't honor the posted sale price on a pair of jeans - rather than the sensible response of "that's ok, it's only a couple bucks and I need new jeans." Or threatened to shoot the sushi delivery guy because they sent tamago instead of unagi like I ordered - rather than the sensible response of just eating the damn egg & being happy I'm fed. This is not fucking normal behavior to go shoot a maintenance man because your apartment is leaking. Except, in America, it seems to be growing ever more popular.I'm usually empathetic toward the elderly but fuck this asshole. I hear the terms "responsible gun owner" and "law abiding citizen" thrown around a lot in this conversation regarding weapons of destruction by the pro gun crowd. Look at this guy. Lived 93 years without any record whatsoever. Law abiding citizen, check. Responsible gun owner, check. As Halifax would say, until he wasn't. Preach all you want about "good guys with guns" but if we can't even trust a 93 year old, clean-as-a-whistle "good guy," how the fuck are we to trust anyone else?
True definition of an assault rifle is an actual military issued rifle, which no regular citizen is allowed to own, so I am not worried about losing that.Gern Blansten said:
Not worried about what? Losing your assault rifle?tempo_n_groove said:
You know every now and then I watch too much news and listen to too many pundits about this and I get worried for a second, then I realize that all it is, is fear mongering and then I'm not worried anymore.Gern Blansten said:
Agreed....at some point gun control will happen. We will get to a point where even the complete gun nuts agree.HesCalledDyer said:Gern Blansten said:Wow, just wow. This is what happens when we normalize violence and gun ownership under the guise of "its muh freedumb" and "defend muh home." People think they can just whip out a gun over any fucking disagreement or 1st world problem now. Imagine if I just fucking pulled a side piece in the Levi's store the other day because they wouldn't honor the posted sale price on a pair of jeans - rather than the sensible response of "that's ok, it's only a couple bucks and I need new jeans." Or threatened to shoot the sushi delivery guy because they sent tamago instead of unagi like I ordered - rather than the sensible response of just eating the damn egg & being happy I'm fed. This is not fucking normal behavior to go shoot a maintenance man because your apartment is leaking. Except, in America, it seems to be growing ever more popular.I'm usually empathetic toward the elderly but fuck this asshole. I hear the terms "responsible gun owner" and "law abiding citizen" thrown around a lot in this conversation regarding weapons of destruction by the pro gun crowd. Look at this guy. Lived 93 years without any record whatsoever. Law abiding citizen, check. Responsible gun owner, check. As Halifax would say, until he wasn't. Preach all you want about "good guys with guns" but if we can't even trust a 93 year old, clean-as-a-whistle "good guy," how the fuck are we to trust anyone else?
I do not fear about being shot at when I am out in public. I don't fall for that type of fear mongering.Neither did the people in Jersey City, Pensacola, Miramar, New Orleans, Fresno, Santa Clara, Orinda, Odessa, Dayton, El Paso, Gilroy, Virginia Beach, Highlands Ranch, Charlotte, Poway, Aurora, Ascension, or Sebring. And that's just mass shootings that happened in 2019. Parkland, Vegas, Thousand Oaks, Pittsburgh, Aberdeen, Annapolis, San Bernadino, DC Navy Yard, the maintenance man mentioned above, hell we even had a lockdown here at work last year - I never feared that until it actually happened to me, etc, etc, etc... etc... etc... ... In the entire decade of the 1990's there were 27 mass shootings in the United States. In 2019 alone, there were 18.But I guess that's all just using shocking language at the expense of accuracy to get the public riled up, right? That is the definition of sensationalism, no?0 -
I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Interesting story. I had never heard of Jiminez Arms until now.
If what they are accused of is true then they should be punished by the full letter of the law. I follow rules and regulations and hate it when someone else doesn't and goes screwing it up for everyone else.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/kansas-city-sues-gun-manufacturer-for-illegal-trafficking-in-first-such-suit-in-ten-years/
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I respect that; Everyone is different. But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one.josevolution said:I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Agree. It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.mcgruff10 said:
I respect that; Everyone is different. But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one.josevolution said:I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat said:
Agree. It's the fact that people are getting killed in the USA by firearms at such a high rate vs other countries that means you shouldn't be able to own just any weapon and any ammo that you want.mcgruff10 said:
I respect that; Everyone is different. But just because you (as in gun control people) don’t like weapons doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to own one.josevolution said:I fear people with weapons wether they are guns, rifles more than people with out them! I feel safer in a home without weapons than in a home with weapons ...
Yes, that is the salient point here.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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