America's Gun Violence

Gern Blansten

In the hours before the Dayton shooting, the Twitter account "liked" several tweets about a shooting in El Paso that left 22 dead, including one supporting gun control and others that called the El Paso shooting suspect a "terrorist," and a "white supremacist."

The account retweeted messages supporting Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, as well as posts against ICE agents, including one that said, "these people are monsters," and multiple posts condemning police, and supporting Antifa protesters, who often use violent tactics.

There were also many tweets of selfies, photos with a friend and ordinary memes and nonpolitical content.

The account was suspended by Twitter on Sunday evening. A Twitter spokesperson would not comment on the account, only saying in a statement, "We're proactively removing content that violates our policies and will be engaged with law enforcement, as appropriate."

Kat

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Kat said:

I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
Be safe.

I am wondering if it was a domestic issue...his sister was one of the first he murdered...

Yeah, he actually went there with his sister and killed her right away.  Seems targeted.  I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling right now.  Beyond comprehension.  

Also, his sister's companion was also one of the first killed as well...

This one is best left to the police to figure out and I'm sure we'll know soon enough.  El Paso is obvious.  

Has the companion now died? The last I heard, he was recovering and I imagine sharing what he knows, if possible. He may have the answers.

Gern Blansten

My link says that he killed his sister and eight "seemingly random" bystanders

Meltdown99

Kat said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Kat said:

I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
Be safe.

I am wondering if it was a domestic issue...his sister was one of the first he murdered...

Yeah, he actually went there with his sister and killed her right away.  Seems targeted.  I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling right now.  Beyond comprehension.  

Also, his sister's companion was also one of the first killed as well...

This one is best left to the police to figure out and I'm sure we'll know soon enough.  El Paso is obvious.  

Has the companion now died? The last I heard, he was recovering and I imagine sharing what he knows, if possible. He may have the answers.

I did not realize he was still alive.  That is good news.  Yes, maybe he has the answers.  No doubt the shooter had a troubled past.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 

Apparently, we cannot discuss other shootings here unless it's considered a mass shooting...at least that's the impression I got when some dude was flapping his gums after I posted all the Chicago shootings.

I think the difficulty is conflating the two issues.  While gun violence is a problem, mass shootings are a very specific problem that are perpetrated in a very specific way.  I believe when we try to discuss them in tandem, it's easy for the 2A nutjobs to say "See, banning assault rifles isn't going to solve this problem, look at Chicago".  When to me, the solutions are incremental.  Gang violence and domestic violence seem to be the most difficult ones, whereas banning high capacity clips, ARs, etc. can help alleviate the carnage in the mass shootings.  

Tee hee, hee, hee, you said, “clips.”

Gern Blansten

Meltdown99 said:

Kat said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Kat said:

I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
Be safe.

I am wondering if it was a domestic issue...his sister was one of the first he murdered...

Yeah, he actually went there with his sister and killed her right away.  Seems targeted.  I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling right now.  Beyond comprehension.  

Also, his sister's companion was also one of the first killed as well...

This one is best left to the police to figure out and I'm sure we'll know soon enough.  El Paso is obvious.  

Has the companion now died? The last I heard, he was recovering and I imagine sharing what he knows, if possible. He may have the answers.

I did not realize he was still alive.  That is good news.  Yes, maybe he has the answers.  No doubt the shooter had a troubled past.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/dayton-shooting-victims/index.html

yes...companion still alive and talking to police

Gern Blansten

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 

Apparently, we cannot discuss other shootings here unless it's considered a mass shooting...at least that's the impression I got when some dude was flapping his gums after I posted all the Chicago shootings.

I think the difficulty is conflating the two issues.  While gun violence is a problem, mass shootings are a very specific problem that are perpetrated in a very specific way.  I believe when we try to discuss them in tandem, it's easy for the 2A nutjobs to say "See, banning assault rifles isn't going to solve this problem, look at Chicago".  When to me, the solutions are incremental.  Gang violence and domestic violence seem to be the most difficult ones, whereas banning high capacity clips, ARs, etc. can help alleviate the carnage in the mass shootings.  

Tee hee, hee, hee, you said, “clips.”

let me guess...it wasn't an "assault" rifle either right?

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 

Apparently, we cannot discuss other shootings here unless it's considered a mass shooting...at least that's the impression I got when some dude was flapping his gums after I posted all the Chicago shootings.

I think the difficulty is conflating the two issues.  While gun violence is a problem, mass shootings are a very specific problem that are perpetrated in a very specific way.  I believe when we try to discuss them in tandem, it's easy for the 2A nutjobs to say "See, banning assault rifles isn't going to solve this problem, look at Chicago".  When to me, the solutions are incremental.  Gang violence and domestic violence seem to be the most difficult ones, whereas banning high capacity clips, ARs, etc. can help alleviate the carnage in the mass shootings.  

Tee hee, hee, hee, you said, “clips.”

let me guess...it wasn't an "assault" rifle either right?

You’ve been around these parts, a while, I reckon?

Gern Blansten

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 

Apparently, we cannot discuss other shootings here unless it's considered a mass shooting...at least that's the impression I got when some dude was flapping his gums after I posted all the Chicago shootings.

I think the difficulty is conflating the two issues.  While gun violence is a problem, mass shootings are a very specific problem that are perpetrated in a very specific way.  I believe when we try to discuss them in tandem, it's easy for the 2A nutjobs to say "See, banning assault rifles isn't going to solve this problem, look at Chicago".  When to me, the solutions are incremental.  Gang violence and domestic violence seem to be the most difficult ones, whereas banning high capacity clips, ARs, etc. can help alleviate the carnage in the mass shootings.  

Tee hee, hee, hee, you said, “clips.”

let me guess...it wasn't an "assault" rifle either right?

You’ve been around these parts, a while, I reckon?

I live in red meat Indiana

bbiggs

Chicago is a very big city. The heavy majority of these shootings take place in a few neighborhoods that are completely overtaken by gangs and drug dealers. Nothing new in these areas. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Ledbetterman10 said:

Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 

https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1158773173921427456

mcgruff10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 

https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1158773173921427456

Even a broken clock is right two Times a day.  

mickeyrat

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 

https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1158773173921427456

Even a broken clock is right two Times a day.  

pssst, shes not the precedent.......

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 

https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1158773173921427456

Even a broken clock is right two Times a day.  

Not according to lie low, MIA secretary of fossil energy Rick Perry.
 

vaggar99

Kat said:

I've played video games most of my life and not once, not even a little bit, did I think I should go out and kill people.
Other countries have people with mental illness but the U.S. is the only one with gun carnage like we have.
Why is that, I wonder? Is it too obvious to think it's because there are too many guns...military weapons? I think not. It's slaughter now. We have to vote out the people blocking possible solutions. We have to keep trying to get it right. Have a safe evening.

What type of games though?  I do feel like certain games desensitize people who are already predisposed to sociopathic behavior to the idea of killing.

Spiritual_Chaos

vaggar99 said:

Kat said:

I've played video games most of my life and not once, not even a little bit, did I think I should go out and kill people.
Other countries have people with mental illness but the U.S. is the only one with gun carnage like we have.
Why is that, I wonder? Is it too obvious to think it's because there are too many guns...military weapons? I think not. It's slaughter now. We have to vote out the people blocking possible solutions. We have to keep trying to get it right. Have a safe evening.

What type of games though?  I do feel like certain games desensitize people who are already predisposed to sociopathic behavior to the idea of killing.

vaggar99

Spiritual_Chaos said:

vaggar99 said:

Kat said:

I've played video games most of my life and not once, not even a little bit, did I think I should go out and kill people.
Other countries have people with mental illness but the U.S. is the only one with gun carnage like we have.
Why is that, I wonder? Is it too obvious to think it's because there are too many guns...military weapons? I think not. It's slaughter now. We have to vote out the people blocking possible solutions. We have to keep trying to get it right. Have a safe evening.

What type of games though?  I do feel like certain games desensitize people who are already predisposed to sociopathic behavior to the idea of killing.

but in South Korea, are they into the first person shooters?

mcgruff10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

vaggar99 said:

Kat said:

I've played video games most of my life and not once, not even a little bit, did I think I should go out and kill people.
Other countries have people with mental illness but the U.S. is the only one with gun carnage like we have.
Why is that, I wonder? Is it too obvious to think it's because there are too many guns...military weapons? I think not. It's slaughter now. We have to vote out the people blocking possible solutions. We have to keep trying to get it right. Have a safe evening.

What type of games though?  I do feel like certain games desensitize people who are already predisposed to sociopathic behavior to the idea of killing.

South Korea does have a lot of suicides. Don’t pick and chose the data you use to fit your own narrative.  Show the whole picture.

mcgruff10

https://www.statista.com/chart/15390/global-suicide-rates/

Ledbetterman10

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 

https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1158773173921427456

Even a broken clock is right two Times a day.  

No he's implying that I'm parroting Ivanka, or that I agree with Ivanka. He does this whenever someone posts something that's critical of the left or can construed as right-wing. Apparently he follows Ivanka Trump on twitter? Ugh...

Truth be told, I didn't even know about this Chicago shooting (due to lack of coverage I guess) until this morning when I was talking to someone about the Texas and Ohio shootings, and they brought up Chicago. And I thought that a death toll of seven and over forty people wounded would fit in with the other shootings, so I posted this. And yeah, I did imply with my rhetorical questions that the media doesn't care about shootings like this because there's no white supremacy angle to take like in El Paso (which is a case where that angle SHOULD be brought up), and no "assault-style" rifles.