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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Come on guys, pray harder.
    This wasn't a joke..  https://thehill.com/homenews/456287-mike-huckabee-suggests-lack-of-thought-and-prayers-behind-mass-shootings

    I can agree with the "more thoughts" part of that, assuming that the thoughts are actually reality based thoughts about effective gun control. 
    That would truly be a prayer on your part. 
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mrussel1 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Come on guys, pray harder.
    This wasn't a joke..  https://thehill.com/homenews/456287-mike-huckabee-suggests-lack-of-thought-and-prayers-behind-mass-shootings

    I can agree with the "more thoughts" part of that, assuming that the thoughts are actually reality based thoughts about effective gun control. 
    That would truly be a prayer on your part. 

    I don't have those. It would be a hope, though a faint one. 
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  • Renfield
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
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  • Kat
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    I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
    Be safe.

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  • mrussel1
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    How many different people pulled the trigger on those seven people?  That's over the course of a weekend, in a terrible area of a major city.   Why aren't we talking about the five killed in Richmond, VA over the weekend?  You could broaden the topic even more and ask why aren't we talking about the several hundred dead across the United States over the weekend as well.  The difference is one individual (in Texas, for example) walking into a store with a weapon of war doing this in the matter of minutes.  My guess is that the handguns used in Chicago could not achieve the same level of destruction in the same period of time, as the assault rifle.  There's a difference and a problem that could be reduced (not solved) with the banning of the weapon.  
  • mcgruff10
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Was it a white male trump supporter armed with an “assault weapon” that pulled the trigger?  
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    mcgruff10 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Was it a white male trump supporter armed with an “assault weapon” that pulled the trigger?  
    Who needs Fox and Friends with commentary like this.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Discuss away.



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  • Renfield
    Renfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    It was brought up yesterday by @Meltdown99 , page 516, but got ‘shot’ down rather quickly as it wasn’t a mass shooting using an assault weapon. At that point, the reported numbers were not as high, reported now with 7 dead, 52 wounded in 32 separate incidents. That’s insanity! And worthy of discussion here.
  • Meltdown99
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    Kat said:
    I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
    Be safe.

    I am wondering if it was a domestic issue...his sister was one of the first he murdered...
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  • mrussel1
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    Meltdown99 said:
    Kat said:
    I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
    Be safe.

    I am wondering if it was a domestic issue...his sister was one of the first he murdered...
    Yeah, he actually went there with his sister and killed her right away.  Seems targeted.  I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling right now.  Beyond comprehension.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    Meltdown99 said:
    Kat said:
    I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
    Be safe.

    I am wondering if it was a domestic issue...his sister was one of the first he murdered...
    Crazy.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Apparently, we cannot discuss other shootings here unless it's considered a mass shooting...at least that's the impression I got when some dude was flapping his gums after I posted all the Chicago shootings.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Politicize?  How is discussing ways to reduce violent mass murders politicizing?  I realize that is how the right wing wants to frame it but get real.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Kat said:
    I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
    Be safe.

    I am wondering if it was a domestic issue...his sister was one of the first he murdered...
    Yeah, he actually went there with his sister and killed her right away.  Seems targeted.  I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling right now.  Beyond comprehension.  
    Also, his sister's companion was also one of the first killed as well...

    This one is best left to the police to figure out and I'm sure we'll know soon enough.  El Paso is obvious.  
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    How many different people pulled the trigger on those seven people?  That's over the course of a weekend, in a terrible area of a major city.   Why aren't we talking about the five killed in Richmond, VA over the weekend?  You could broaden the topic even more and ask why aren't we talking about the several hundred dead across the United States over the weekend as well.  The difference is one individual (in Texas, for example) walking into a store with a weapon of war doing this in the matter of minutes.  My guess is that the handguns used in Chicago could not achieve the same level of destruction in the same period of time, as the assault rifle.  There's a difference and a problem that could be reduced (not solved) with the banning of the weapon.  
    Exactly....right wing talking point put to bed
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  • mrussel1
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    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Kat said:
    I did hear some discussion while watching MSNBC. It appears the Ohio tragedy may not have been political but they are still investigating. I'd like to see more coverage on all networks of the protests. I've seen a little but if they aren't covered, it's not going to help. The People Need To Be Heard......
    Be safe.

    I am wondering if it was a domestic issue...his sister was one of the first he murdered...
    Yeah, he actually went there with his sister and killed her right away.  Seems targeted.  I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling right now.  Beyond comprehension.  
    Also, his sister's companion was also one of the first killed as well...

    This one is best left to the police to figure out and I'm sure we'll know soon enough.  El Paso is obvious.  
    Oh I had heard the companion was injured.  She/he died?  Madness.  
  • mrussel1
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    Meltdown99 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Not much media coverage (or discussion on this board for that matter) of the seven people shot dead and forty-six people wounded in Chicago over the weekend. That’s strange. Is murder and gun violence just accepted in Chicago at this point? Or is there just no way to politicize it like the Texas and Ohio shootings so why bother covering it? 
    Apparently, we cannot discuss other shootings here unless it's considered a mass shooting...at least that's the impression I got when some dude was flapping his gums after I posted all the Chicago shootings.
    I think the difficulty is conflating the two issues.  While gun violence is a problem, mass shootings are a very specific problem that are perpetrated in a very specific way.  I believe when we try to discuss them in tandem, it's easy for the 2A nutjobs to say "See, banning assault rifles isn't going to solve this problem, look at Chicago".  When to me, the solutions are incremental.  Gang violence and domestic violence seem to be the most difficult ones, whereas banning high capacity clips, ARs, etc. can help alleviate the carnage in the mass shootings.  
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
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    Dude wasn't a fan of Biden...but would vote for Warren.  
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