America's Gun Violence

Gern Blansten

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

This is true but I do wonder how we differ.  I think our education system has failed and income inequality has reached ridiculous levels.  Add guns to that equation and we can't be surprised.

I'm listening to an interview now with the Dayton Police Chief.  Gunman modified his weapon with parts purchased online...

cincybearcat

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

Agreed.  I've mentioned it before but New Jersey definitely has it right when trying to buy a gun.  Before buying a firearm I  need to get fingerprinted, get two non relative recommendation letters, a mental health background check is conducted and then my employer is contacted to see if their is any issues.  If everything is ok then I get a firearms id card.  When I buy a firearm another background check is then conducted to see if their has been any recent red flags.  
This has seemed to work since the majority of firearms used in crimes are brought in out of state.
Keeping weapons out of those who are incapable of using them responsibility is key.  

Any limits on ammunition?  Or # of gun purchases?

Spiritual_Chaos

Gern Blansten said:

oftenreading said:

The only way that the US is unique is the guns. The data do not support theories that blame gun violence on cultural diversity or immigration. 

Or video games...I'm starting to hear that chatter again.  

Fuck, I've been playing Mario since I was 7 years old. Guess I am a walking risk. Thank god I live in a country with gun laws.

Renfield

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mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

oftenreading said:

The only way that the US is unique is the guns. The data do not support theories that blame gun violence on cultural diversity or immigration. 

Or video games...I'm starting to hear that chatter again.  

Fuck, I've been playing Mario since I was 7 years old. Guess I am a walking risk. Thank god I live in a country with gun laws.

I thank God every day for the same.  

Gern Blansten

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

Agreed.  I've mentioned it before but New Jersey definitely has it right when trying to buy a gun.  Before buying a firearm I  need to get fingerprinted, get two non relative recommendation letters, a mental health background check is conducted and then my employer is contacted to see if their is any issues.  If everything is ok then I get a firearms id card.  When I buy a firearm another background check is then conducted to see if their has been any recent red flags.  
This has seemed to work since the majority of firearms used in crimes are brought in out of state.
Keeping weapons out of those who are incapable of using them responsibility is key.  

Interesting....in Indiana I just had to get fingerprinted to get a lifetime permit.  I guess that's better than nothing....

oftenreading

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

oftenreading said:

The only way that the US is unique is the guns. The data do not support theories that blame gun violence on cultural diversity or immigration. 

Or video games...I'm starting to hear that chatter again.  

Fuck, I've been playing Mario since I was 7 years old. Guess I am a walking risk. Thank god I live in a country with gun laws.

You’re at risk of mushrooms, then. 

Spiritual_Chaos

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

How are the US social safety nets? Compared to other countries. 

I mean, they are not putting any money into health care... so... valid question. The welfare state seems to be up for sale.

#profits

mcgruff10

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

Agreed.  I've mentioned it before but New Jersey definitely has it right when trying to buy a gun.  Before buying a firearm I  need to get fingerprinted, get two non relative recommendation letters, a mental health background check is conducted and then my employer is contacted to see if their is any issues.  If everything is ok then I get a firearms id card.  When I buy a firearm another background check is then conducted to see if their has been any recent red flags.  
This has seemed to work since the majority of firearms used in crimes are brought in out of state.
Keeping weapons out of those who are incapable of using them responsibility is key.  

Any limits on ammunition?  Or # of gun purchases?

one hand gun a month and every time you buy another handgun you need to get further background info done and paperwork.  after you get approved you get a permit to buy one handgun and you have 90 days to do it.  After the 90 days you can file for a one time extension of 90 days or it expires.   with my FID card I can buy rifles and shotguns but not handguns.  It's hard to understand unless you live here but it does seem to work since the vast majority of crimes are due to handguns (and they all seem to be from out of state).   Some calibers of ammunition have been outlawed (I can't remember off hand).  We just went from 15 to 10 round mag limits although I can drive 25 miles west and buy a 90 round mag in PA if I wanted (which I wouldn't).  
There are also no gun shows in new jersey; you must sell from a permanent brick and mortar store.  
It is virtually impossible to get a concealed carry permit in new jersey and the state does not recognize other states that have concealed carry.  So in PA you might legally be allowed to carry but if you come to nj and are caught carrying you get some serious jail time.

Gern Blansten

Spiritual_Chaos said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

How are the US social safety nets? Compared to other countries. 

I mean, they are not putting any money into health care... so... valid question. The welfare state seems to be up for sale.

#profits

Exactly....no money into health care, cutting funds for education, expanding income inequality....we're fucked.

I can't believe my facebook feed.  My GOP "friends" are defending our lack of gun laws/restrictions.  The old "why pass a gun law when the criminal will just disobey the law" garbage. 

oftenreading

Spiritual_Chaos said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

How are the US social safety nets? Compared to other countries. 

I mean, they are not putting any money into health care... so... valid question. The welfare state seems to be up for sale.

#profits

The US has far more gun deaths than any other country - not just compared to other developed nations, but compares to developing nations with little to no social safety net. 

I’m never going to argue against a proper health care system, but the lack of it is not at fault in the gun death issue. 

It’s the guns. 

Ledbetterman10

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

How are the US social safety nets? Compared to other countries. 

I mean, they are not putting any money into health care... so... valid question. The welfare state seems to be up for sale.

#profits

Exactly....no money into health care, cutting funds for education, expanding income inequality....we're fucked.

I can't believe my facebook feed.  My GOP "friends" are defending our lack of gun laws/restrictions.  The old "why pass a gun law when the criminal will just disobey the law" garbage. 

God bless you for even allowing that crap on your Facebook feed. There's nothing worse than the pollical ramblings of someone on Facebook. 

Spiritual_Chaos

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"The left and the right are the same"

Gern Blansten

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

How are the US social safety nets? Compared to other countries. 

I mean, they are not putting any money into health care... so... valid question. The welfare state seems to be up for sale.

#profits

Exactly....no money into health care, cutting funds for education, expanding income inequality....we're fucked.

I can't believe my facebook feed.  My GOP "friends" are defending our lack of gun laws/restrictions.  The old "why pass a gun law when the criminal will just disobey the law" garbage. 

God bless you for even allowing that crap on your Facebook feed. There's nothing worse than the pollical ramblings of someone on Facebook. 

I can't imagine what my feed would look like if I hadn't unfollowed the worst offenders.  Most are from my hometown (Darke County) which is about 30 miles from Dayton.  Darke is home to massive numbers of blue collar workers that proudly and loyally vote against their best interests.

Spiritual_Chaos

oftenreading said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

How are the US social safety nets? Compared to other countries. 

I mean, they are not putting any money into health care... so... valid question. The welfare state seems to be up for sale.

#profits

The US has far more gun deaths than any other country - not just compared to other developed nations, but compares to developing nations with little to no social safety net. 

I’m never going to argue against a proper health care system, but the lack of it is not at fault in the gun death issue. 

It’s the guns. 

I'm not defending guns here. 

I mean your solution is simple and in plain sight:

COPY "SWEDISH GUN LAWS"

PASTE

BUT -- 

-- These kind of attacks without guns but with e.g.



...aren't really occurring in other countries (and yes, I do know they do happen)? So it's must be something more than THE US DISGUSTING RELATIONSHIP to guns.

Ledbetterman10

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

How are the US social safety nets? Compared to other countries. 

I mean, they are not putting any money into health care... so... valid question. The welfare state seems to be up for sale.

#profits

Exactly....no money into health care, cutting funds for education, expanding income inequality....we're fucked.

I can't believe my facebook feed.  My GOP "friends" are defending our lack of gun laws/restrictions.  The old "why pass a gun law when the criminal will just disobey the law" garbage. 

God bless you for even allowing that crap on your Facebook feed. There's nothing worse than the pollical ramblings of someone on Facebook. 

I can't imagine what my feed would look like if I hadn't unfollowed the worst offenders.  Most are from my hometown (Darke County) which is about 30 miles from Dayton.  Darke is home to massive numbers of blue collar workers that proudly and loyally vote against their best interests.

Yeah I think about half of my facebook friends are "unfollowed" for various reasons, with many of the unfollows coming during the 2016 election cycle. It was unbearable. At least when I visit this board, I'm coming here specifically for that crap. But on Facebook? I don't need my friend's mother telling me Hillary is the most qualified candidate ever or that Trump is going to make America great again or whatever else. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

oftenreading said:

The only way that the US is unique is the guns. The data do not support theories that blame gun violence on cultural diversity or immigration. 

Or video games...I'm starting to hear that chatter again.  

It could be the profanity in rock music.  

Or fake news?

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oftenreading

Spiritual_Chaos said:

oftenreading said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

How are the US social safety nets? Compared to other countries. 

I mean, they are not putting any money into health care... so... valid question. The welfare state seems to be up for sale.

#profits

The US has far more gun deaths than any other country - not just compared to other developed nations, but compares to developing nations with little to no social safety net. 

I’m never going to argue against a proper health care system, but the lack of it is not at fault in the gun death issue. 

It’s the guns. 

I'm not defending guns here. 

I mean your solution is simple and in plain sight:

COPY "SWEDISH GUN LAWS"

PASTE

BUT -- 

-- These kind of attacks without guns but with e.g.



...aren't really occurring in other countries (and yes, I do know they do happen)? So it's must be something more than THE US DISGUSTING RELATIONSHIP to guns.

Well, no, I disagree. It’s pretty hard to carry out a mass knifing. People just don’t stand still long enough to get more than one or two of them. 
 

Spiritual_Chaos

oftenreading said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

oftenreading said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

“There must be some reason other than guns that explains why the US has such a gun violence problem” is a story that the American population tells itself. As long as that story persists, the problem won’t be solved. 

the colonization of this land was begun with violence. the creation of the nation was born of violence, the growth of this nation was from daily violence(slavery and native genocide) we became a superpower as a result of violence and remain so with an unspoken but highly visible threat of violence.

We learned well from the powers throughout history.

Simply put its human fucking animalistic nature to be violent.

Humans are humans everywhere, and almost every country is born or formed in violence. I don’t believe that Americans are inherently more violent than other humans. They just have more means to act it out. 

How are the US social safety nets? Compared to other countries. 

I mean, they are not putting any money into health care... so... valid question. The welfare state seems to be up for sale.

#profits

The US has far more gun deaths than any other country - not just compared to other developed nations, but compares to developing nations with little to no social safety net. 

I’m never going to argue against a proper health care system, but the lack of it is not at fault in the gun death issue. 

It’s the guns. 

I'm not defending guns here. 

I mean your solution is simple and in plain sight:

COPY "SWEDISH GUN LAWS"

PASTE

BUT -- 

-- These kind of attacks without guns but with e.g.



...aren't really occurring in other countries (and yes, I do know they do happen)? So it's must be something more than THE US DISGUSTING RELATIONSHIP to guns.

Well, no, I disagree. It’s pretty hard to carry out a mass knifing. People just don’t stand still long enough to get more than one or two of them. 
 

So, compared to mass shooting - how many cases in Europe have there been of someone going out to mass-knife random people but with people not standing still long enough for them to get more than one or two of them?

Is it comparable in number of attempts?

Spiritual_Chaos

So diverse. So big. This ratio is just a sign of everything being normal. But its just fine. Everything is fine. Not bat-shit-twilight-zone-crazy at all.