America's Gun Violence

stuckinline

Moonpig said:

The Juggler said:

Not the shooter. Not from that Walmart. Just a couple of random TX Walmart shoppers carrying their guns in and around the store. 
What are supposed to think when we see shit like this?


AMERICA! WE’RE FUCKED!

Surely I am not alone in thinking that those who feel the need to carry military grade weapons around while doing the weekly shop must themselves have some sort of mental illness?

is a failed effort to properly diagnose and treat such illnesses resulting in what we are seeing today?

I am not an expert, but may be able to shed some light on the need to carry a firearm while doing the weekly shopping. I have several friends who were deployed to shit hole locations in the world. I recall several of them mentioning that when they returned to the states, they had a very difficult time entering a store. While they were deployed, it was SOP to have soldiers stationed at each entrance and exit to a store/building while a team when inside the building to clear the building.
I recall one of their wives stating that my friend could not go shopping without an exit plan in advance.
I know other veterans that sleep with a loaded shotgun next to their bed, and carry a loaded firearm at all times.

I know this does not apply to the shootings this weekend, just trying to shed some light on why some people feel the need to carry firearms.
Disclaimer, this does not apply to all veterans.

josevolution

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

rgambs said:

Sweden is looking better and better, isn't it?

After watching coverage of both the shootings I would like to offer a hearty, heartfelt, and personal FUCK YOU! to everyone who votes for Republicans.  
I don't give a shit if it hurts your little snowflake feelings, you own a share of this and your pathetic excuses smell like the asshole they came out of.

I'm just fucking sick of this, it's ridiculous and pathetic and if you aren't ashamed to be an American right now, you have your head up your own ass.

Guns are mostly a republican issue, true. But make sure you actually take a look at who you are voting for because some Dems take a decent amount of $ too. 

And again - immigration disaster is a both party issue.  Donald trump and the republicans certainly own upping the game and causing the conflict. In the past people just talked and complained and did nothing in an effort to drum up votes. 

So.... Both sides are bad?  

No... That's horse shit and you know it

One side is obviously stoking hatred racism terrorism misogyny.

Ditto Republicans are the ones chanting send them back , lock her up , you don’t like it leave there’s only one person you need to look at he’s Orange Baffoon...

You all are so frustrating. That’s hardly the only person. We have had mass shooting before trump. That’s just dumb. 

He is a huge problem and his rhetoric is a huge problem. But getting rid of your boogeyman alone won’t solve this. 

What ever dude , as far as I see it here from some is that the brown immigrants are to blame ..

Whatever? Who the fuck said that? You are making up your own argument and projecting it onto people like me. Whatever indeed.

 

Who said “There’s an invasion coming from our southern border “ 

cincybearcat

What the fuck? This was Texas. There were people there with guns. And guess what? It didn’t matter!!!

Meltdown99

National Rifle Assn
Among Federal Candidates, 2018 Cycle

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?cycle=2018&id=d000000082

A good resource to see who receives and how much.  Most of the amounts are so insignificant they could easily live without those donations or could easily make up the difference with other donors.  Of course, I think lobbying should be banned.

Moonpig

stuckinline said:

Moonpig said:

The Juggler said:

Not the shooter. Not from that Walmart. Just a couple of random TX Walmart shoppers carrying their guns in and around the store. 
What are supposed to think when we see shit like this?


AMERICA! WE’RE FUCKED!

Surely I am not alone in thinking that those who feel the need to carry military grade weapons around while doing the weekly shop must themselves have some sort of mental illness?

is a failed effort to properly diagnose and treat such illnesses resulting in what we are seeing today?

I am not an expert, but may be able to shed some light on the need to carry a firearm while doing the weekly shopping. I have several friends who were deployed to shit hole locations in the world. I recall several of them mentioning that when they returned to the states, they had a very difficult time entering a store. While they were deployed, it was SOP to have soldiers stationed at each entrance and exit to a store/building while a team when inside the building to clear the building.
I recall one of their wives stating that my friend could not go shopping without an exit plan in advance.
I know other veterans that sleep with a loaded shotgun next to their bed, and carry a loaded firearm at all times.

I know this does not apply to the shootings this weekend, just trying to shed some light on why some people feel the need to carry firearms.

Would this not indicate that services for veterans returning home are not working then?

Fair to say it is not normal behaviour and these people should be integrated better back into society.

cincybearcat

In Dayton, they are saying they shot and killed the gunman in less than 1 minute. 9 people dead. Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this? Less than 1 minute and 9 dead. 

josevolution

cincybearcat said:

In Dayton, they are saying they shit and killed the gunman in less than 1 minute. 9 people dead. Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this? Less than 1 minute and 9 dead. 

It’s those weapons that can fire off round after round so quickly , listening to the shots in El Paso they were so fast ..

cincybearcat

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

In Dayton, they are saying they shit and killed the gunman in less than 1 minute. 9 people dead. Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this? Less than 1 minute and 9 dead. 

It’s those weapons that can fire off round after round so quickly , listening to the shots in El Paso they were so fast ..

Exactly. Good guys with a gun is a false narrative. It isn’t going to happen and it isn’t going to work. People will still die.

Renfield

cincybearcat said:

In Dayton, they are saying they shot and killed the gunman in less than 1 minute. 9 people dead. Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this? Less than 1 minute and 9 dead. 

Nope! And The Red Right And You post disgusts me... it’s repulsive.

josevolution

Renfield said:

cincybearcat said:

In Dayton, they are saying they shot and killed the gunman in less than 1 minute. 9 people dead. Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this? Less than 1 minute and 9 dead. 

Nope! And The Red Right And You post disgusts me... it’s repulsive.

Whoa dude Cincy is not the problem at all your wrong ! 

Smellyman

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

In Dayton, they are saying they shit and killed the gunman in less than 1 minute. 9 people dead. Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this? Less than 1 minute and 9 dead. 

It’s those weapons that can fire off round after round so quickly , listening to the shots in El Paso they were so fast ..

Exactly. Good guys with a gun is a false narrative. It isn’t going to happen and it isn’t going to work. People will still die.

Many more would die as people pull their guns out and just start shooting each other wild west style

Renfield

josevolution said:

Renfield said:

cincybearcat said:

In Dayton, they are saying they shot and killed the gunman in less than 1 minute. 9 people dead. Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this? Less than 1 minute and 9 dead. 

Nope! And The Red Right And You post disgusts me... it’s repulsive.

Whoa dude Cincy is not the problem at all your wrong ! 

@josevolution
Whoa...back at you.
I was agreeing with @cincybearcat !!!! 
Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this?
And I totally understand he wasn’t promoting the post! 

p.s. I’m not a dude, I’m a dudette 

OnWis97

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

rgambs said:

Sweden is looking better and better, isn't it?

After watching coverage of both the shootings I would like to offer a hearty, heartfelt, and personal FUCK YOU! to everyone who votes for Republicans.  
I don't give a shit if it hurts your little snowflake feelings, you own a share of this and your pathetic excuses smell like the asshole they came out of.

I'm just fucking sick of this, it's ridiculous and pathetic and if you aren't ashamed to be an American right now, you have your head up your own ass.

Guns are mostly a republican issue, true. But make sure you actually take a look at who you are voting for because some Dems take a decent amount of $ too. 

And again - immigration disaster is a both party issue.  Donald trump and the republicans certainly own upping the game and causing the conflict. In the past people just talked and complained and did nothing in an effort to drum up votes. 

So.... Both sides are bad?  

No... That's horse shit and you know it

One side is obviously stoking hatred racism terrorism misogyny.

There are times when I think Cincy forces a square-peg-both-sides into a round-hole-discussion.  But this is a good point.  On this issue, vet everyone.  The NRA (a trade organization; not a defender of the Constitution) gives out a lot of money.  Including to Democrats.  Once they take NRA money, they’re hard to trust.

josevolution

Renfield said:

josevolution said:

Renfield said:

cincybearcat said:

In Dayton, they are saying they shot and killed the gunman in less than 1 minute. 9 people dead. Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this? Less than 1 minute and 9 dead. 

Nope! And The Red Right And You post disgusts me... it’s repulsive.

Whoa dude Cincy is not the problem at all your wrong ! 

@josevolution
Whoa...back at you.
I was agreeing with @cincybearcat !!!! 
Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this?
And I totally understand he wasn’t promoting the post! 

p.s. I’m not a dude, I’m a dudette 

Oh sorry miss I interpreted your post wrong I apologize, I know all of us here want these massacres to stop , we just disagree on how to get there ..

Ledbetterman10

Anyone have a number on how many Walmart shootings there's been? Seems like Walmart is a common place for these sort of massacres. 

Echoing what some have said in this thread, there really needs to be a crackdown on illegal guns with harsh sentences for violators. Certainly won't stop the problem. But it'll be a start. Like maybe have the ATF raid a gun show and see how many guns are being sold illegally and then arrest the violators. 

What I'd love it to see less people in prison for like petty Marijuana charges and more in prison for breaking gun laws. And "breaking gun laws" doesn't have to be shooting people. Buying/selling illegal guns, not registering your gun, not properly locking your gun away, etc. 

bootlegger10

josevolution said:

Renfield said:

josevolution said:

Renfield said:

cincybearcat said:

In Dayton, they are saying they shot and killed the gunman in less than 1 minute. 9 people dead. Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this? Less than 1 minute and 9 dead. 

Nope! And The Red Right And You post disgusts me... it’s repulsive.

Whoa dude Cincy is not the problem at all your wrong ! 

@josevolution
Whoa...back at you.
I was agreeing with @cincybearcat !!!! 
Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this?
And I totally understand he wasn’t promoting the post! 

p.s. I’m not a dude, I’m a dudette 

Oh sorry miss I interpreted your post wrong I apologize, I know all of us here want these massacres to stop , we just disagree on how to get there ..

I don’t think we disagree.  You have said in this thread or one of the other ones that immigration reform is needed and gun controls.  I don’t think any of us on here disagree.  None of us are saying that it is immigrants that are pulling the trigger or causing the massacres.  It is Trump and the Right using it as an excuse to scare weak, weak people.  Let’s get immigration reform done and maybe one byproduct is Trump can’t use it as an excuse to scare weak people.  

Somehow mentioning immigration reform is needed on here makes you a racist or Faux fan when both sides of congress have been talking about it since the Clinton administration.   Guns are the how, not the why.  Let’s get rid of the how and figure out the why.   Poverty, jobs, opportunity, mental health, etc....  

Renfield

josevolution said:

Renfield said:

josevolution said:

Renfield said:

cincybearcat said:

In Dayton, they are saying they shot and killed the gunman in less than 1 minute. 9 people dead. Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this? Less than 1 minute and 9 dead. 

Nope! And The Red Right And You post disgusts me... it’s repulsive.

Whoa dude Cincy is not the problem at all your wrong ! 

@josevolution
Whoa...back at you.
I was agreeing with @cincybearcat !!!! 
Anyone think that more citizens with guns is going to stop this?
And I totally understand he wasn’t promoting the post! 

p.s. I’m not a dude, I’m a dudette 

Oh sorry miss I interpreted your post wrong I apologize, I know all of us here want these massacres to stop , we just disagree on how to get there ..

oftenreading

The guns are the “why” as well as the “how”.

I just read this article in the NYT that talks about exactly that. I came here to post it and lo and behold the discussion is at exactly that point.

What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer  
https://nyti.ms/2hODjP5

The article looks at the research on what differentiates the US that could account for the ridiculous number of mass shootings, and it really just does come down to too many guns. 

It’s not “mental health problems”

It’s not “cultural diversity” or immigration. 

It’s not that Americans have more crime overall. 

It’s not video games. 

It’s simply that the US has far more guns per capita than almost anyone else, and it doesn’t want to change that. 

lastexitlondon

My word. How every humam can't  see that no guns = no shootings ffs . It is that  simple.  People need to wake up. Who the fuck goes shopping with a gun on their back. Come see the  rest of the world if you think that is in any way sane.

lastexitlondon

Serious from the  outside its fuckin ridiculous.  I mean really damn stupid