America's Gun Violence

OnWis97

This is just part of life here, now.  We no longer say much because we have said all that can be said.  We are decensitized.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

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mcgruff10 said:

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Gee. When I asked when the next one was gonna be yesterday... I didn't realize it was gonna be the same day.

Wonder when the next one is gonna be?

And you go about preventing this with meaningful gun regulations. Geezuz Tempo it's been answered millions of times. You have no solution for the carnage you experience at the moment- previous generations have failed you. But in a decade or so... you have a chance to make college goers safe when they are blowing off steam.

California arguably has the tightest gun control laws in the country.  

So what?

Does Nevada? Arizona?

Come on, Scruffy. The argument against nation-wide regulation is super weak- as demonstrated by this limp wristed jab.

Everyone knows that those two states don’t have strong gun control laws. And if people in those states wanted gun control
laws that bad they would have voted blue and not red. Was the weapon used in last nights shooting purchased in Nevada or Arizona?

Which illustrate the failings of a democracy- the inmates run the asylum.

Who cares where the gun was purchased? It was a legal weapon purchased from... oh... say... Dick's Sporting Goods (or Walmart in the aisle next to the kids toys or clothing) in some state by a responsible gun purchaser.

I look at it as respecting the needs of each state.  Federal laws are very tricky in my book.  What might be good for New Jersey citizens might be bad for people in Alaska.  

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mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gee. When I asked when the next one was gonna be yesterday... I didn't realize it was gonna be the same day.

Wonder when the next one is gonna be?

And you go about preventing this with meaningful gun regulations. Geezuz Tempo it's been answered millions of times. You have no solution for the carnage you experience at the moment- previous generations have failed you. But in a decade or so... you have a chance to make college goers safe when they are blowing off steam.

California arguably has the tightest gun control laws in the country.  

So what?

Does Nevada? Arizona?

Come on, Scruffy. The argument against nation-wide regulation is super weak- as demonstrated by this limp wristed jab.

Everyone knows that those two states don’t have strong gun control laws. And if people in those states wanted gun control
laws that bad they would have voted blue and not red. Was the weapon used in last nights shooting purchased in Nevada or Arizona?

Which illustrate the failings of a democracy- the inmates run the asylum.

Who cares where the gun was purchased? It was a legal weapon purchased from... oh... say... Dick's Sporting Goods (or Walmart in the aisle next to the kids toys or clothing) in some state by a responsible gun purchaser.

I look at it as respecting the needs of each state.  Federal laws are very tricky in my book.  What might be good for New Jersey citizens might be bad for people in Alaska.  

The people in Alaska need to shoot shit?

There is no need for a military style rifle in the hands of a citizen. At all. Anywhere.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gee. When I asked when the next one was gonna be yesterday... I didn't realize it was gonna be the same day.

Wonder when the next one is gonna be?

And you go about preventing this with meaningful gun regulations. Geezuz Tempo it's been answered millions of times. You have no solution for the carnage you experience at the moment- previous generations have failed you. But in a decade or so... you have a chance to make college goers safe when they are blowing off steam.

California arguably has the tightest gun control laws in the country.  

So what?

Does Nevada? Arizona?

Come on, Scruffy. The argument against nation-wide regulation is super weak- as demonstrated by this limp wristed jab.

Everyone knows that those two states don’t have strong gun control laws. And if people in those states wanted gun control
laws that bad they would have voted blue and not red. Was the weapon used in last nights shooting purchased in Nevada or Arizona?

Which illustrate the failings of a democracy- the inmates run the asylum.

Who cares where the gun was purchased? It was a legal weapon purchased from... oh... say... Dick's Sporting Goods (or Walmart in the aisle next to the kids toys or clothing) in some state by a responsible gun purchaser.

I look at it as respecting the needs of each state.  Federal laws are very tricky in my book.  What might be good for New Jersey citizens might be bad for people in Alaska.  

The people in Alaska need to shoot shit?

There is no need for a military style rifle in the hands of a citizen. At all. Anywhere.

But yet Canada has those very same weapons.  Why is it ok for you to have one but I can't?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gee. When I asked when the next one was gonna be yesterday... I didn't realize it was gonna be the same day.

Wonder when the next one is gonna be?

And you go about preventing this with meaningful gun regulations. Geezuz Tempo it's been answered millions of times. You have no solution for the carnage you experience at the moment- previous generations have failed you. But in a decade or so... you have a chance to make college goers safe when they are blowing off steam.

California arguably has the tightest gun control laws in the country.  

So what?

Does Nevada? Arizona?

Come on, Scruffy. The argument against nation-wide regulation is super weak- as demonstrated by this limp wristed jab.

Everyone knows that those two states don’t have strong gun control laws. And if people in those states wanted gun control
laws that bad they would have voted blue and not red. Was the weapon used in last nights shooting purchased in Nevada or Arizona?

Which illustrate the failings of a democracy- the inmates run the asylum.

Who cares where the gun was purchased? It was a legal weapon purchased from... oh... say... Dick's Sporting Goods (or Walmart in the aisle next to the kids toys or clothing) in some state by a responsible gun purchaser.

I look at it as respecting the needs of each state.  Federal laws are very tricky in my book.  What might be good for New Jersey citizens might be bad for people in Alaska.  

The people in Alaska need to shoot shit?

There is no need for a military style rifle in the hands of a citizen. At all. Anywhere.

But yet Canada has those very same weapons.  Why is it ok for you to have one but I can't?

See other thread for comment. I'm not going to repeat myself.

I see you waffled on your 'I'm tired of this shit' attitude you adopted after the Vegas Massacre (I think it was that one... there's been so many). Keep trying to convince yourself, Scruffy. And whatever you do... don't worry. I still like you.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gee. When I asked when the next one was gonna be yesterday... I didn't realize it was gonna be the same day.

Wonder when the next one is gonna be?

And you go about preventing this with meaningful gun regulations. Geezuz Tempo it's been answered millions of times. You have no solution for the carnage you experience at the moment- previous generations have failed you. But in a decade or so... you have a chance to make college goers safe when they are blowing off steam.

California arguably has the tightest gun control laws in the country.  

So what?

Does Nevada? Arizona?

Come on, Scruffy. The argument against nation-wide regulation is super weak- as demonstrated by this limp wristed jab.

Everyone knows that those two states don’t have strong gun control laws. And if people in those states wanted gun control
laws that bad they would have voted blue and not red. Was the weapon used in last nights shooting purchased in Nevada or Arizona?

Which illustrate the failings of a democracy- the inmates run the asylum.

Who cares where the gun was purchased? It was a legal weapon purchased from... oh... say... Dick's Sporting Goods (or Walmart in the aisle next to the kids toys or clothing) in some state by a responsible gun purchaser.

I look at it as respecting the needs of each state.  Federal laws are very tricky in my book.  What might be good for New Jersey citizens might be bad for people in Alaska.  

The people in Alaska need to shoot shit?

There is no need for a military style rifle in the hands of a citizen. At all. Anywhere.

But yet Canada has those very same weapons.  Why is it ok for you to have one but I can't?

See other thread for comment. I'm not going to repeat myself.

I see you waffled on your 'I'm tired of this shit' attitude you adopted after the Vegas Massacre (I think it was that one... there's been so many). Keep trying to convince yourself, Scruffy. And whatever you do... don't worry. I still like you.

Yeah my opinion definitely changed.  Just because a few people mess up doesn't mean everyone should be punished.  Every single student in my school (1200 kids) has an apple computer.  The other day some kid broke through the sonic wall and was watching porn on his computer (and no not my student).  Should the entire student body lose their computers because one kid screwed up?  I would think not.  Again don't ban but make the background check harder and definitely drop the mag capacity.  Christ our Navy seals use 30 round mags, I don't think anyone needs any more than that.  

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mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gee. When I asked when the next one was gonna be yesterday... I didn't realize it was gonna be the same day.

Wonder when the next one is gonna be?

And you go about preventing this with meaningful gun regulations. Geezuz Tempo it's been answered millions of times. You have no solution for the carnage you experience at the moment- previous generations have failed you. But in a decade or so... you have a chance to make college goers safe when they are blowing off steam.

California arguably has the tightest gun control laws in the country.  

So what?

Does Nevada? Arizona?

Come on, Scruffy. The argument against nation-wide regulation is super weak- as demonstrated by this limp wristed jab.

Everyone knows that those two states don’t have strong gun control laws. And if people in those states wanted gun control
laws that bad they would have voted blue and not red. Was the weapon used in last nights shooting purchased in Nevada or Arizona?

Which illustrate the failings of a democracy- the inmates run the asylum.

Who cares where the gun was purchased? It was a legal weapon purchased from... oh... say... Dick's Sporting Goods (or Walmart in the aisle next to the kids toys or clothing) in some state by a responsible gun purchaser.

I look at it as respecting the needs of each state.  Federal laws are very tricky in my book.  What might be good for New Jersey citizens might be bad for people in Alaska.  

The people in Alaska need to shoot shit?

There is no need for a military style rifle in the hands of a citizen. At all. Anywhere.

But yet Canada has those very same weapons.  Why is it ok for you to have one but I can't?

See other thread for comment. I'm not going to repeat myself.

I see you waffled on your 'I'm tired of this shit' attitude you adopted after the Vegas Massacre (I think it was that one... there's been so many). Keep trying to convince yourself, Scruffy. And whatever you do... don't worry. I still like you.

Yeah my opinion definitely changed.  Just because a few people mess up doesn't mean everyone should be punished.  Every single student in my school (1200 kids) has an apple computer.  The other day some kid broke through the sonic wall and was watching porn on his computer (and no not my student).  Should the entire student body lose their computers because one kid screwed up?  I would think not.  Again don't ban but make the background check harder and definitely drop the mag capacity.  Christ our Navy seals use 30 round mags, I don't think anyone needs any more than that.  

And here we go again, but with a slightly different twist...

Comparing pornography and banning Apple computers to mass murder and banning assault rifles.

We can survive watching a porno clip. We can't survive rapid fire weapons in close proximity.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gee. When I asked when the next one was gonna be yesterday... I didn't realize it was gonna be the same day.

Wonder when the next one is gonna be?

And you go about preventing this with meaningful gun regulations. Geezuz Tempo it's been answered millions of times. You have no solution for the carnage you experience at the moment- previous generations have failed you. But in a decade or so... you have a chance to make college goers safe when they are blowing off steam.

California arguably has the tightest gun control laws in the country.  

So what?

Does Nevada? Arizona?

Come on, Scruffy. The argument against nation-wide regulation is super weak- as demonstrated by this limp wristed jab.

Everyone knows that those two states don’t have strong gun control laws. And if people in those states wanted gun control
laws that bad they would have voted blue and not red. Was the weapon used in last nights shooting purchased in Nevada or Arizona?

Which illustrate the failings of a democracy- the inmates run the asylum.

Who cares where the gun was purchased? It was a legal weapon purchased from... oh... say... Dick's Sporting Goods (or Walmart in the aisle next to the kids toys or clothing) in some state by a responsible gun purchaser.

I look at it as respecting the needs of each state.  Federal laws are very tricky in my book.  What might be good for New Jersey citizens might be bad for people in Alaska.  

The people in Alaska need to shoot shit?

There is no need for a military style rifle in the hands of a citizen. At all. Anywhere.

But yet Canada has those very same weapons.  Why is it ok for you to have one but I can't?

See other thread for comment. I'm not going to repeat myself.

I see you waffled on your 'I'm tired of this shit' attitude you adopted after the Vegas Massacre (I think it was that one... there's been so many). Keep trying to convince yourself, Scruffy. And whatever you do... don't worry. I still like you.

Yeah my opinion definitely changed.  Just because a few people mess up doesn't mean everyone should be punished.  Every single student in my school (1200 kids) has an apple computer.  The other day some kid broke through the sonic wall and was watching porn on his computer (and no not my student).  Should the entire student body lose their computers because one kid screwed up?  I would think not.  Again don't ban but make the background check harder and definitely drop the mag capacity.  Christ our Navy seals use 30 round mags, I don't think anyone needs any more than that.  

And here we go again, but with a slightly different twist...

Comparing pornography and banning Apple computers to mass murder and banning assault rifles.

We can survive watching a porno clip. We can't survive rapid fire weapons in close proximity.

I'm just not for punishing everyone for one person screwing up.  I obviously realize no one is going to die while watching porn.  lol.  If that was the case I don't think there would be any males posting on these forums lol.

The Juggler

If only every bar in America had an armed guard.....

The rest of the world continues to laugh at us.

Bentleyspop

The  Thousand Oaks shooter...

Iran David Long..

 The gunman who killed 12 people at the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, California, was  a 28-year-old veteran of the Marine Corps who had previous run-ins with the law, officials said.

josevolution

ha Unsung didn't like my comment just 8 days ago a mad man killed 8 because he thought the invasion was happening because our great leader had said so , so nothing would surprize me if this mad man felt the same way or holds the same beliefs ....MAGA the massacres are just part of being great get used to it !

The Juggler

josevolution said:

ha Unsung didn't like my comment just 8 days ago a mad man killed 8 because he thought the invasion was happening because our great leader had said so , so nothing would surprize me if this mad man felt the same way or holds the same beliefs ....MAGA the massacres are just part of being great get used to it !

Boy on boy. That invasion sure seemed imminent just a few days ago.

Now? Not so much. I wonder why?

Halifax2TheMax

The Juggler said:

josevolution said:

ha Unsung didn't like my comment just 8 days ago a mad man killed 8 because he thought the invasion was happening because our great leader had said so , so nothing would surprize me if this mad man felt the same way or holds the same beliefs ....MAGA the massacres are just part of being great get used to it !

Boy on boy. That invasion sure seemed imminent just a few days ago.

Now? Not so much. I wonder why?

Because the military has to march around Washington on Monday before going to the border. 

tbergs

I refuse to acknowledge the name of the shooter. They don't deserve publicity. Those involved need to know for the investigation, but the media should quit publicizing the name. If anyone's name should be released, it's the victims (if approved by family of course) so people can see the havoc gun violence plays on everyday friends and neighbors. In this digital age, the name of the shooter will get around anyway, but the media should take the stance of not mentioning it anywhere.

Anyway, I think we fail horribly at gun control prior to purchase and when the individual starts popping up with contacts related to law enforcement and mental instability. This shooter was a former active duty marine who probably suffered from PTSD (my unproven opinion) and we failed to intervene and provide adequate care. When the red flags started popping up, the guns should have been removed from his possession, but we all know that would create an uproar from the 2A crowd. There should be an easily established set of criteria that provide a more thorough background related to psychological assessment before purchase. Then there needs to be a process in place that initiates a review of the gun owner's fitness to continue to possess firearms when certain contacts are had with law enforcement or medical professionals or just every 3 - 5 years in general. Of course that would mean a gun registry. No good for right now, but our future would be much brighter 20 years from now.

Local police reported numerous contacts with the former Marine on Wednesday, including a call that led officers to his home in April of this year. Officials found Mr Long acting "irate and irrationally," however, he was not taken into custody at the time. A mental health crisis team was called to the scene.

The suspect also had prior run-ins with the police, including a traffic incident and another time in which he was the victim of a battery at a bar.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ian-long-california-shooting-suspect-david-identity-gunman-shooter-thousand-oaks-bar-victims-today-a8624221.html

tempo_n_groove

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

tempo_n_groove said:

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tempo_n_groove said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gee. When I asked when the next one was gonna be yesterday... I didn't realize it was gonna be the same day.

Wonder when the next one is gonna be?

And you go about preventing this with meaningful gun regulations. Geezuz Tempo it's been answered millions of times. You have no solution for the carnage you experience at the moment- previous generations have failed you. But in a decade or so... you have a chance to make college goers safe when they are blowing off steam.

My point being regulation will never end.  It will wind up with an all out ban.

On certain weapons and magazines... that would be fantastic!

Which is what people are afraid of.  Regulation will never stop.

I did ask a question that was asked before hoping to hear a different argument and I apologize for that.

The only people afraid of that are the 'enthusiasts' that like shooting shit and are prepared to accept collateral damage in the form of mass shootings so they can hoist a slick new AR15 over their shoulder and look like the man.

If I remember correctly, most of the US wants meaningful change.

Some form of change.  It was never specified as what type of change.

I like shooting shit...  I don't go around looking like "the man" though.

Some stereotypes just stick though...

brianlux

Another day, another shooting.  Another statistic to prove we are the greatest... as in quantity... as in gun deaths. 

This is not going well, America.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

tempo_n_groove said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gee. When I asked when the next one was gonna be yesterday... I didn't realize it was gonna be the same day.

Wonder when the next one is gonna be?

And you go about preventing this with meaningful gun regulations. Geezuz Tempo it's been answered millions of times. You have no solution for the carnage you experience at the moment- previous generations have failed you. But in a decade or so... you have a chance to make college goers safe when they are blowing off steam.

My point being regulation will never end.  It will wind up with an all out ban.

On certain weapons and magazines... that would be fantastic!

Which is what people are afraid of.  Regulation will never stop.

I did ask a question that was asked before hoping to hear a different argument and I apologize for that.

The only people afraid of that are the 'enthusiasts' that like shooting shit and are prepared to accept collateral damage in the form of mass shootings so they can hoist a slick new AR15 over their shoulder and look like the man.

If I remember correctly, most of the US wants meaningful change.

Some form of change.  It was never specified as what type of change.

I like shooting shit...  I don't go around looking like "the man" though.

Some stereotypes just stick though...

When they're really accurate... they tend to stick for sure.

rgambs

If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns.
Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.

PJPOWER

rgambs said:

If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns.
Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.

Not sure all of that would hold up in the Supreme Court.  Nice fantasy though.

mrussel1

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns.
Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.

Not sure all of that would hold up in the Supreme Court.  Nice fantasy though.

Sure it could.  Read Scalia's majority opinion in the Heller decision.  There's no reason to believe that revolvers and bolt action couldn't be the extent of available guns.  Why do you think it wouldn't fall into the concept of reasonable limitations?  Where do you think the line exists?