America's Gun Violence
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Why is she a hypocrite?unsung said:
Another responsible hypocrite.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/former-congressional-candidate-accused-of-killing-campaign-treasurer/811132728"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Read the headline bro. It's like if I saw you cutting into a nice aged porterhouse after you spewed your hatred toward meat eaters time and time again on the boards.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why is she a hypocrite?unsung said:Another responsible hypocrite.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/former-congressional-candidate-accused-of-killing-campaign-treasurer/811132728I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
But gun control =/= not being able to be in possession of or not be able to own a gun.mcgruff10 said:
Read the headline bro. It's like if I saw you cutting into a nice aged porterhouse after you spewed your hatred toward meat eaters time and time again on the boards.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why is she a hypocrite?unsung said:Another responsible hypocrite.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/former-congressional-candidate-accused-of-killing-campaign-treasurer/811132728
It's like if you saw me cutting into a nice aged porterhouse after I spewed hatred towards regulations regarding freezers to store meat in not being strict enough.
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well, she was responsible until she wasn't. see how that works?unsung said:Another responsible hypocrite.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/former-congressional-candidate-accused-of-killing-campaign-treasurer/811132728By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
That's a dumb question, but nice deflection.unsung said:
Nobody has a right to murder, do you think otherwise?HesCalledDyer said:Surprised you’re not defending here for “just exercising her rights.”
Oh yeah, she’s a democrat so that’s all you wanted to point out.
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I have multiple firearms. 5 rifles and 9 pistols (4 revolvers and 5 semi-autos) and all are in freestanding safe 6 feet tall and 4 feet wide and 3 feet deep, bolted to my basement floor. (with about 20,000 rounds of assorted ammo) All except one that is , which is in a single gun safe with a fingerprint unlock for easy access. That safe is bolted to the back of a small desk that I use as a nightstand next to the bed. I have a concealed carry permit but don't usually because I'm a fidget and would likely be handling them all the time so I leave them in the safes until I go shooting. I check the safe every 2 weeks or so as I have a dehumidifier in it and need to change out the beads every so often. They were all there and accounted for on Saturday. No children at home, son is off in the USAF.Halifax2TheMax said:
If I remember correctly, you have multiple firearms, correct? What do you do when you go on vacation? Leave them laying around the House unsecured? What about on a work day when no one is home? Same? What about when it’s just the kids in the house, maybe with their friends who don’t come from a gun cultured household? Long guns or hand guns? Just casually placed around the house, in case? A corner here, under the bed there, on a shelf here, under a cushion there? I’m really trying to understand this “responsible” gun owner thing. And if they’re for “protection,” why wouldn’t they be locked up or secured when you’re not home? Somebody might chase you into the house or you might surprise a burglar? Wouldn’t it be “safer” to carry on your person? Do you know how many guns you have and where they are? When was the last time you took inventory?mcgruff10 said:
I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.oftenreading said:
Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary.mcgruff10 said:Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?
If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.
I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
Do I pass as a responsible gun owner?
But with all this talk, should I bring one to Chicago for the Wrigley shows while I'm there (for protection?) LOL1996: Randall's Island I, Hartford
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You do until you aren’t.sk8nshoot1 said:
I have multiple firearms. 5 rifles and 9 pistols (4 revolvers and 5 semi-autos) and all are in freestanding safe 6 feet tall and 4 feet wide and 3 feet deep, bolted to my basement floor. (with about 20,000 rounds of assorted ammo) All except one that is , which is in a single gun safe with a fingerprint unlock for easy access. That safe is bolted to the back of a small desk that I use as a nightstand next to the bed. I have a concealed carry permit but don't usually because I'm a fidget and would likely be handling them all the time so I leave them in the safes until I go shooting. I check the safe every 2 weeks or so as I have a dehumidifier in it and need to change out the beads every so often. They were all there and accounted for on Saturday. No children at home, son is off in the USAF.Halifax2TheMax said:
If I remember correctly, you have multiple firearms, correct? What do you do when you go on vacation? Leave them laying around the House unsecured? What about on a work day when no one is home? Same? What about when it’s just the kids in the house, maybe with their friends who don’t come from a gun cultured household? Long guns or hand guns? Just casually placed around the house, in case? A corner here, under the bed there, on a shelf here, under a cushion there? I’m really trying to understand this “responsible” gun owner thing. And if they’re for “protection,” why wouldn’t they be locked up or secured when you’re not home? Somebody might chase you into the house or you might surprise a burglar? Wouldn’t it be “safer” to carry on your person? Do you know how many guns you have and where they are? When was the last time you took inventory?mcgruff10 said:
I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.oftenreading said:
Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary.mcgruff10 said:Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?
If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.
I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
Do I pass as a responsible gun owner?
But with all this talk, should I bring one to Chicago for the Wrigley shows while I'm there (for protection?) LOL
Leave the gun at home. Chicago isn’t as scary as some make it out to be.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Maybe you should start saying “unless you aren’t”, unless you believe that all gun owners eventually become irresponsible. And if that is the case, then I couldn’t care less about your false beliefs.Halifax2TheMax said:
You do until you aren’t.sk8nshoot1 said:
I have multiple firearms. 5 rifles and 9 pistols (4 revolvers and 5 semi-autos) and all are in freestanding safe 6 feet tall and 4 feet wide and 3 feet deep, bolted to my basement floor. (with about 20,000 rounds of assorted ammo) All except one that is , which is in a single gun safe with a fingerprint unlock for easy access. That safe is bolted to the back of a small desk that I use as a nightstand next to the bed. I have a concealed carry permit but don't usually because I'm a fidget and would likely be handling them all the time so I leave them in the safes until I go shooting. I check the safe every 2 weeks or so as I have a dehumidifier in it and need to change out the beads every so often. They were all there and accounted for on Saturday. No children at home, son is off in the USAF.Halifax2TheMax said:
If I remember correctly, you have multiple firearms, correct? What do you do when you go on vacation? Leave them laying around the House unsecured? What about on a work day when no one is home? Same? What about when it’s just the kids in the house, maybe with their friends who don’t come from a gun cultured household? Long guns or hand guns? Just casually placed around the house, in case? A corner here, under the bed there, on a shelf here, under a cushion there? I’m really trying to understand this “responsible” gun owner thing. And if they’re for “protection,” why wouldn’t they be locked up or secured when you’re not home? Somebody might chase you into the house or you might surprise a burglar? Wouldn’t it be “safer” to carry on your person? Do you know how many guns you have and where they are? When was the last time you took inventory?mcgruff10 said:
I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.oftenreading said:
Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary.mcgruff10 said:Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?
If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.
I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
Do I pass as a responsible gun owner?
But with all this talk, should I bring one to Chicago for the Wrigley shows while I'm there (for protection?) LOL
Leave the gun at home. Chicago isn’t as scary as some make it out to be.0 -
Just stay out of the south side of Chicago and you are good. That is where the troubles are.
I grew up rurally where a gun was a shovel. You had one in the tractor at all times and were taught gun safety in school in 6th grade by the police. Respect was taught by the police and parents. I also shoot competitively sporting clays and have a few competition guns. But.....I just don't see a need for 30 shells to hunt. No need for that or pistols but I am not saying no to others properly trained and vetted.Post edited by blackhawks on91 - Ames Iowa CY Stephens Auditorium
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Maybe you should think about what I wrote and not project what you think it means?PJPOWER said:
Maybe you should start saying “unless you aren’t”, unless you believe that all gun owners eventually become irresponsible. And if that is the case, then I couldn’t care less about your false beliefs.Halifax2TheMax said:
You do until you aren’t.sk8nshoot1 said:
I have multiple firearms. 5 rifles and 9 pistols (4 revolvers and 5 semi-autos) and all are in freestanding safe 6 feet tall and 4 feet wide and 3 feet deep, bolted to my basement floor. (with about 20,000 rounds of assorted ammo) All except one that is , which is in a single gun safe with a fingerprint unlock for easy access. That safe is bolted to the back of a small desk that I use as a nightstand next to the bed. I have a concealed carry permit but don't usually because I'm a fidget and would likely be handling them all the time so I leave them in the safes until I go shooting. I check the safe every 2 weeks or so as I have a dehumidifier in it and need to change out the beads every so often. They were all there and accounted for on Saturday. No children at home, son is off in the USAF.Halifax2TheMax said:
If I remember correctly, you have multiple firearms, correct? What do you do when you go on vacation? Leave them laying around the House unsecured? What about on a work day when no one is home? Same? What about when it’s just the kids in the house, maybe with their friends who don’t come from a gun cultured household? Long guns or hand guns? Just casually placed around the house, in case? A corner here, under the bed there, on a shelf here, under a cushion there? I’m really trying to understand this “responsible” gun owner thing. And if they’re for “protection,” why wouldn’t they be locked up or secured when you’re not home? Somebody might chase you into the house or you might surprise a burglar? Wouldn’t it be “safer” to carry on your person? Do you know how many guns you have and where they are? When was the last time you took inventory?mcgruff10 said:
I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.oftenreading said:
Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary.mcgruff10 said:Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?
If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.
I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
Do I pass as a responsible gun owner?
But with all this talk, should I bring one to Chicago for the Wrigley shows while I'm there (for protection?) LOL
Leave the gun at home. Chicago isn’t as scary as some make it out to be.
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Maybe you should clarify...Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe you should think about what I wrote and not project what you think it means?PJPOWER said:
Maybe you should start saying “unless you aren’t”, unless you believe that all gun owners eventually become irresponsible. And if that is the case, then I couldn’t care less about your false beliefs.Halifax2TheMax said:
You do until you aren’t.sk8nshoot1 said:
I have multiple firearms. 5 rifles and 9 pistols (4 revolvers and 5 semi-autos) and all are in freestanding safe 6 feet tall and 4 feet wide and 3 feet deep, bolted to my basement floor. (with about 20,000 rounds of assorted ammo) All except one that is , which is in a single gun safe with a fingerprint unlock for easy access. That safe is bolted to the back of a small desk that I use as a nightstand next to the bed. I have a concealed carry permit but don't usually because I'm a fidget and would likely be handling them all the time so I leave them in the safes until I go shooting. I check the safe every 2 weeks or so as I have a dehumidifier in it and need to change out the beads every so often. They were all there and accounted for on Saturday. No children at home, son is off in the USAF.Halifax2TheMax said:
If I remember correctly, you have multiple firearms, correct? What do you do when you go on vacation? Leave them laying around the House unsecured? What about on a work day when no one is home? Same? What about when it’s just the kids in the house, maybe with their friends who don’t come from a gun cultured household? Long guns or hand guns? Just casually placed around the house, in case? A corner here, under the bed there, on a shelf here, under a cushion there? I’m really trying to understand this “responsible” gun owner thing. And if they’re for “protection,” why wouldn’t they be locked up or secured when you’re not home? Somebody might chase you into the house or you might surprise a burglar? Wouldn’t it be “safer” to carry on your person? Do you know how many guns you have and where they are? When was the last time you took inventory?mcgruff10 said:
I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.oftenreading said:
Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary.mcgruff10 said:Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?
If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.
I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
Do I pass as a responsible gun owner?
But with all this talk, should I bring one to Chicago for the Wrigley shows while I'm there (for protection?) LOL
Leave the gun at home. Chicago isn’t as scary as some make it out to be.
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I think my answer was clear enough.PJPOWER said:
Maybe you should clarify...Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe you should think about what I wrote and not project what you think it means?PJPOWER said:
Maybe you should start saying “unless you aren’t”, unless you believe that all gun owners eventually become irresponsible. And if that is the case, then I couldn’t care less about your false beliefs.Halifax2TheMax said:
You do until you aren’t.sk8nshoot1 said:
I have multiple firearms. 5 rifles and 9 pistols (4 revolvers and 5 semi-autos) and all are in freestanding safe 6 feet tall and 4 feet wide and 3 feet deep, bolted to my basement floor. (with about 20,000 rounds of assorted ammo) All except one that is , which is in a single gun safe with a fingerprint unlock for easy access. That safe is bolted to the back of a small desk that I use as a nightstand next to the bed. I have a concealed carry permit but don't usually because I'm a fidget and would likely be handling them all the time so I leave them in the safes until I go shooting. I check the safe every 2 weeks or so as I have a dehumidifier in it and need to change out the beads every so often. They were all there and accounted for on Saturday. No children at home, son is off in the USAF.Halifax2TheMax said:
If I remember correctly, you have multiple firearms, correct? What do you do when you go on vacation? Leave them laying around the House unsecured? What about on a work day when no one is home? Same? What about when it’s just the kids in the house, maybe with their friends who don’t come from a gun cultured household? Long guns or hand guns? Just casually placed around the house, in case? A corner here, under the bed there, on a shelf here, under a cushion there? I’m really trying to understand this “responsible” gun owner thing. And if they’re for “protection,” why wouldn’t they be locked up or secured when you’re not home? Somebody might chase you into the house or you might surprise a burglar? Wouldn’t it be “safer” to carry on your person? Do you know how many guns you have and where they are? When was the last time you took inventory?mcgruff10 said:
I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.oftenreading said:
Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary.mcgruff10 said:Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?
If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.
I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
Do I pass as a responsible gun owner?
But with all this talk, should I bring one to Chicago for the Wrigley shows while I'm there (for protection?) LOL
Leave the gun at home. Chicago isn’t as scary as some make it out to be.
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You know what gave this knowledge to people who didn't even know this existed (and it already did)? The media. Why give the nut jobs of the world that info.tbergs said:
The article I read stated 44 shootings. Either way, shootings are going to happen as long as guns exist. I like how dismissive you are of any issues that may arise from 3D printed guns though. Nice deflection. Let's continue to do nothing and keep making and selling guns as much as possible. Yeah guns!!!Jason P said:73 shot. 11 dead. Police have no leads.
You do not need untracable weapons when no one wants to cooperate with the cops who they somehow deem a greater menace.0 -
So, what you are saying is...Halifax2TheMax said:
I think my answer was clear enough.PJPOWER said:
Maybe you should clarify...Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe you should think about what I wrote and not project what you think it means?PJPOWER said:
Maybe you should start saying “unless you aren’t”, unless you believe that all gun owners eventually become irresponsible. And if that is the case, then I couldn’t care less about your false beliefs.Halifax2TheMax said:
You do until you aren’t.sk8nshoot1 said:
I have multiple firearms. 5 rifles and 9 pistols (4 revolvers and 5 semi-autos) and all are in freestanding safe 6 feet tall and 4 feet wide and 3 feet deep, bolted to my basement floor. (with about 20,000 rounds of assorted ammo) All except one that is , which is in a single gun safe with a fingerprint unlock for easy access. That safe is bolted to the back of a small desk that I use as a nightstand next to the bed. I have a concealed carry permit but don't usually because I'm a fidget and would likely be handling them all the time so I leave them in the safes until I go shooting. I check the safe every 2 weeks or so as I have a dehumidifier in it and need to change out the beads every so often. They were all there and accounted for on Saturday. No children at home, son is off in the USAF.Halifax2TheMax said:
If I remember correctly, you have multiple firearms, correct? What do you do when you go on vacation? Leave them laying around the House unsecured? What about on a work day when no one is home? Same? What about when it’s just the kids in the house, maybe with their friends who don’t come from a gun cultured household? Long guns or hand guns? Just casually placed around the house, in case? A corner here, under the bed there, on a shelf here, under a cushion there? I’m really trying to understand this “responsible” gun owner thing. And if they’re for “protection,” why wouldn’t they be locked up or secured when you’re not home? Somebody might chase you into the house or you might surprise a burglar? Wouldn’t it be “safer” to carry on your person? Do you know how many guns you have and where they are? When was the last time you took inventory?mcgruff10 said:
I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.oftenreading said:
Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary.mcgruff10 said:Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?
If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.
I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
Do I pass as a responsible gun owner?
But with all this talk, should I bring one to Chicago for the Wrigley shows while I'm there (for protection?) LOL
Leave the gun at home. Chicago isn’t as scary as some make it out to be.
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What a great fucking country that it’s public transit believes it needs these signs.PJPOWER said:
So, what you are saying is...Halifax2TheMax said:
I think my answer was clear enough.PJPOWER said:
Maybe you should clarify...Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe you should think about what I wrote and not project what you think it means?PJPOWER said:
Maybe you should start saying “unless you aren’t”, unless you believe that all gun owners eventually become irresponsible. And if that is the case, then I couldn’t care less about your false beliefs.Halifax2TheMax said:
You do until you aren’t.sk8nshoot1 said:
I have multiple firearms. 5 rifles and 9 pistols (4 revolvers and 5 semi-autos) and all are in freestanding safe 6 feet tall and 4 feet wide and 3 feet deep, bolted to my basement floor. (with about 20,000 rounds of assorted ammo) All except one that is , which is in a single gun safe with a fingerprint unlock for easy access. That safe is bolted to the back of a small desk that I use as a nightstand next to the bed. I have a concealed carry permit but don't usually because I'm a fidget and would likely be handling them all the time so I leave them in the safes until I go shooting. I check the safe every 2 weeks or so as I have a dehumidifier in it and need to change out the beads every so often. They were all there and accounted for on Saturday. No children at home, son is off in the USAF.Halifax2TheMax said:
If I remember correctly, you have multiple firearms, correct? What do you do when you go on vacation? Leave them laying around the House unsecured? What about on a work day when no one is home? Same? What about when it’s just the kids in the house, maybe with their friends who don’t come from a gun cultured household? Long guns or hand guns? Just casually placed around the house, in case? A corner here, under the bed there, on a shelf here, under a cushion there? I’m really trying to understand this “responsible” gun owner thing. And if they’re for “protection,” why wouldn’t they be locked up or secured when you’re not home? Somebody might chase you into the house or you might surprise a burglar? Wouldn’t it be “safer” to carry on your person? Do you know how many guns you have and where they are? When was the last time you took inventory?mcgruff10 said:
I wonder if there is a law on the books where a homeowner must secure their firearms in a safe.oftenreading said:
Yes, of course. Any gun owner has a responsibility to take particular care with it. Are you actually claiming that’s not the case? It’s a lethal weapon with a decent street value, after all. Any doofus knows a gun would be a target in a burglary.mcgruff10 said:Wait, the two of you are proclaiming that if someone breaks into my house illegally and takes them illegally I am partly to blame if those stolen firearms aren’t in a safe?
If guns are left unsecured and are stolen then the person who didn’t secure them is partially responsible. It’s analogous to the situation where, if someone had confidential medical or financial information and they left it unsecured and it was stolen, they would be sanctioned.
I still 100% disagree with your thinking that the gun owner is partially responsible.
Do I pass as a responsible gun owner?
But with all this talk, should I bring one to Chicago for the Wrigley shows while I'm there (for protection?) LOL
Leave the gun at home. Chicago isn’t as scary as some make it out to be.
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