America's Gun Violence

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    Who on here profits? Straw man? Or not? Big money yo!

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  • While New Zealand is demonstrating responsibility... over in the US:

    https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1108728860026142720?s=21

    Hahahhahahhahahhaha

    Sorry My2. I realize you’re tired of taking shots (no pun intended)... but holy shit, man. Stoooopid. I guess when you gut public education you can do whatever the f**k you want with the befuddled masses.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    While New Zealand is demonstrating responsibility... over in the US:

    https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1108728860026142720?s=21

    Hahahhahahhahahhaha

    Sorry My2. I realize you’re tired of taking shots (no pun intended)... but holy shit, man. Stoooopid. I guess when you gut public education you can do whatever the f**k you want with the befuddled masses.

    Sally B. In the comments section is quintessentially American. Or is she?

    yea the best nation in the world holds these kinds of drills because some school district in America is surrounded by terrorist? Oh yea, they are. Between this and country western video shoots, I don’t know, man, I just don’t know.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,483
    While New Zealand is demonstrating responsibility... over in the US:

    https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1108728860026142720?s=21

    Hahahhahahhahahhaha

    Sorry My2. I realize you’re tired of taking shots (no pun intended)... but holy shit, man. Stoooopid. I guess when you gut public education you can do whatever the f**k you want with the befuddled masses.

    Active shooter drills are to be made fun of?  That s pretty low bud. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    mcgruff10 said:
    While New Zealand is demonstrating responsibility... over in the US:

    https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1108728860026142720?s=21

    Hahahhahahhahahhaha

    Sorry My2. I realize you’re tired of taking shots (no pun intended)... but holy shit, man. Stoooopid. I guess when you gut public education you can do whatever the f**k you want with the befuddled masses.

    Active shooter drills are to be made fun of?  That s pretty low bud. 
    You’re actually even going to defend that set up?

    What happened to the gun safety principles? 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,353
    mcgruff10 said:
    While New Zealand is demonstrating responsibility... over in the US:

    https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1108728860026142720?s=21

    Hahahhahahhahahhaha

    Sorry My2. I realize you’re tired of taking shots (no pun intended)... but holy shit, man. Stoooopid. I guess when you gut public education you can do whatever the f**k you want with the befuddled masses.

    Active shooter drills are to be made fun of?  That s pretty low bud. 
    I thought the same thing, until I looked at the picture. Even the adult (teacher?) looks to be laughing during it.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    New Zealand has less than 5 million people... makes it just a tad easier to get consensus and make large sweeping changes

    Try it with 350 million, the 3rd largest country on the planet... 

    Not sure why people just gloss over this, shit isnt gonna be easy
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,483
    my2hands said:
    New Zealand has less than 5 million people... makes it just a tad easier to get consensus and make large sweeping changes

    Try it with 350 million, the 3rd largest country on the planet... 

    Not sure why people just gloss over this, shit isnt gonna be easy
    And you have that whole constitution thing.  Plus I am not for group punishment just because one person screws up.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,483
    mcgruff10 said:
    While New Zealand is demonstrating responsibility... over in the US:

    https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1108728860026142720?s=21

    Hahahhahahhahahhaha

    Sorry My2. I realize you’re tired of taking shots (no pun intended)... but holy shit, man. Stoooopid. I guess when you gut public education you can do whatever the f**k you want with the befuddled masses.

    Active shooter drills are to be made fun of?  That s pretty low bud. 
    You’re actually even going to defend that set up?

    What happened to the gun safety principles? 
    I read the article and I stand corrected. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,509
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    New Zealand has less than 5 million people... makes it just a tad easier to get consensus and make large sweeping changes

    Try it with 350 million, the 3rd largest country on the planet... 

    Not sure why people just gloss over this, shit isnt gonna be easy
    And you have that whole constitution thing.  Plus I am not for group punishment just because one person screws up.  
    In the US, it doesn't seem to be close to "one person".
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    While New Zealand is demonstrating responsibility... over in the US:

    https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1108728860026142720?s=21

    Hahahhahahhahahhaha

    Sorry My2. I realize you’re tired of taking shots (no pun intended)... but holy shit, man. Stoooopid. I guess when you gut public education you can do whatever the f**k you want with the befuddled masses.

    Active shooter drills are to be made fun of?  That s pretty low bud. 
    You’re actually even going to defend that set up?

    What happened to the gun safety principles? 
    I read the article and I stand corrected. 

    Good to know.
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  • my2hands said:
    New Zealand has less than 5 million people... makes it just a tad easier to get consensus and make large sweeping changes

    Try it with 350 million, the 3rd largest country on the planet... 

    Not sure why people just gloss over this, shit isnt gonna be easy
    no one is glossing over it. I just don't think it makes a difference. there's a reason that research and surveys are known to be accurate for millions even when you've only sampled a much smaller size than that: consensus in one size group is generally going to be the same percentage, give or take a minute amount, as that of a much larger group. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    my2hands said:
    New Zealand has less than 5 million people... makes it just a tad easier to get consensus and make large sweeping changes

    Try it with 350 million, the 3rd largest country on the planet... 

    Not sure why people just gloss over this, shit isnt gonna be easy
    no one is glossing over it. I just don't think it makes a difference. there's a reason that research and surveys are known to be accurate for millions even when you've only sampled a much smaller size than that: consensus in one size group is generally going to be the same percentage, give or take a minute amount, as that of a much larger group. 
    With that thinking Hillary should be president right now.

    There are exceptions and some studies can be swayed in a direction if wanted.

    Somehow FOX keeps polling people that like the job President Trump is doing...
  • my2hands said:
    New Zealand has less than 5 million people... makes it just a tad easier to get consensus and make large sweeping changes

    Try it with 350 million, the 3rd largest country on the planet... 

    Not sure why people just gloss over this, shit isnt gonna be easy
    no one is glossing over it. I just don't think it makes a difference. there's a reason that research and surveys are known to be accurate for millions even when you've only sampled a much smaller size than that: consensus in one size group is generally going to be the same percentage, give or take a minute amount, as that of a much larger group. 
    With that thinking Hillary should be president right now.

    There are exceptions and some studies can be swayed in a direction if wanted.

    Somehow FOX keeps polling people that like the job President Trump is doing...
    there is always a margin of error. as juggler has pointed out several times, most of the polling was correct. it was only off in a few cases that turned out to have huge implications. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,793
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    New Zealand has less than 5 million people... makes it just a tad easier to get consensus and make large sweeping changes

    Try it with 350 million, the 3rd largest country on the planet... 

    Not sure why people just gloss over this, shit isnt gonna be easy
    And you have that whole constitution thing.  Plus I am not for group punishment just because one person screws up.  
    Restricting and limiting access to certain types of guns = punishment? Here we go with the constitution again. We could argue all day, and have, but technically 2A doesn't give you the right to own a machine gun, Ar-15 or any other type of gun for pure recreational purposes. It's easy to keep fighting over words written 250 years ago when such technology didn't exist. 

    As for the population dispute, keep dismissing what they are doing because you (not you, but in a general sense those who are) think it's not comparable. Bullshit. Several times people have mentioned the gun violence in Chicago, a city of only 2.7 million, but it's easy with 5 million New Zealanders? Those that want change would look at what other countries have done and find a way to implement it on a larger scale. It never seems to be a problem to implement something large scale when it means increased profits, but in this case, it would mean decreased profits for a certain group who are funding many of our politicians campaigns. The truth is that no one cares enough because dead bodies are less important than bang-bang toys and money. We as a country have decided that the current casualty rate is ok, that's the truth. We make those decisions in lots of industries, but usually the tool or resource serves a benefit to society in some way to help offset the risks. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Does the constitution restrict the government from passing common-sense laws?

    It seems the gun people use the constitution as a crutch to prevent gun law reform.




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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,752
    This is a direct byproduct of gun violence....


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    This is a direct byproduct of gun violence....


    Yup, nobody talks about those not killed but survived a shooting and the resultant costs to society. Team Trump Treason is spouting off about how great his administration has been in addressing the fentanyl crisis. Deaths peaked at 18,000 and most of the victims continue to be white. Go figure.
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  • This is a direct byproduct of gun violence....


    just awful. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,480
    This is a direct byproduct of gun violence....


    This is so sad damn this affects me having a 22 yr old daughter , god dammit this country is so fucked ! Poor parents I’m sick of this country and it’s lack of common sense I hate weapons guns anything that’s made to kill I’m done with the pro gun crowd I’ll never agree with them and no I’ll never buy a weapon I said I would if I ever move to the sticks but nope I’m never going to give my $ to that industry!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971

    For those questioning the efficacy of studies and reports regarding gun violence in 'Murica.

    The study reveals some stark truths about living and dying in the United States. When compared to other high-income nations, as an American you are:

    Seven times more likely to be violently killed

    Twenty-five times more likely to be violently killed with a gun

    Six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun

    Eight times more likely to commit suicide using a gun

    Ten times more likely to die from a firearm death overall

    Homicide is the second leading cause of death for Americans 15 to 24 years of age, and the third leading cause of death among those 25 to 34 years of age. Investigators found that for these two groups, the risk relative to their counterparts in other developed nations is alarmingly elevated. Americans 15 to 24 years of age are 49 times more likely to die from firearm homicide compared to similarly aged young people in other high-income nations. For those aged 25 to 34, the risk is 32 times higher.

    http://www.amjmed.com/pb/assets/raw/Health Advance/journals/ajm/AJM_Mar16_PR_Grinshteyn.pdf

    https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00444-0/fulltext

    The shooting in Las Vegas, Nevada, that left 59 people dead, 10 times that number wounded, and thousands of people with the psychological distress from being present at the scene during and after the massacre has once again raised the issue of what we as a nation can and should do about guns. The solution lies in not just focusing on Las Vegas and the hundreds of other mass shootings that have occurred in the United States in the last 14 months, but rather to underscore that on average almost 100 people die each day in the United States from gun violence. The 36 252 deaths from firearms in the United States in 20151 exceeded the number of deaths from motor vehicle traffic crashes that year (36 161).1 That same year, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that 5 people died from terrorism. Since 1968, more individuals in the United States have died from gun violence than in battle during all the wars the country has fought since its inception.2

    Guns do not make individuals, their families, or homes safer and they result in far more deaths to loved ones than to an intruder intending to cause harm.3 Often forgotten is that 60.7% of the gun deaths in 2015 in the United States were suicides.1 Means used to attempt suicide matter; guns will result in suicidal deaths well over 90% of the time, whereas ingestion of pills or wrist cutting will be unsuccessful more than 90% of the time. The majority of people who try to commit suicide but survive the attempt will not go on to die from suicide4; if the attempt is with a gun, there will be no second chance at life.

    Guns kill people. More background checks; more hotel, school, and venue security; more restrictions on the number and types of guns that individuals can own; and development of “smart guns” may help decrease firearm violence. But the key to reducing firearm deaths in the United States is to understand and reduce exposure to the cause, just like in any epidemic, and in this case that is guns.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2657417

    Nothing can be done. 'Murica is the best!

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,480

    For those questioning the efficacy of studies and reports regarding gun violence in 'Murica.

    The study reveals some stark truths about living and dying in the United States. When compared to other high-income nations, as an American you are:

    Seven times more likely to be violently killed

    Twenty-five times more likely to be violently killed with a gun

    Six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun

    Eight times more likely to commit suicide using a gun

    Ten times more likely to die from a firearm death overall

    Homicide is the second leading cause of death for Americans 15 to 24 years of age, and the third leading cause of death among those 25 to 34 years of age. Investigators found that for these two groups, the risk relative to their counterparts in other developed nations is alarmingly elevated. Americans 15 to 24 years of age are 49 times more likely to die from firearm homicide compared to similarly aged young people in other high-income nations. For those aged 25 to 34, the risk is 32 times higher.

    http://www.amjmed.com/pb/assets/raw/Health Advance/journals/ajm/AJM_Mar16_PR_Grinshteyn.pdf

    https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00444-0/fulltext

    The shooting in Las Vegas, Nevada, that left 59 people dead, 10 times that number wounded, and thousands of people with the psychological distress from being present at the scene during and after the massacre has once again raised the issue of what we as a nation can and should do about guns. The solution lies in not just focusing on Las Vegas and the hundreds of other mass shootings that have occurred in the United States in the last 14 months, but rather to underscore that on average almost 100 people die each day in the United States from gun violence. The 36 252 deaths from firearms in the United States in 20151 exceeded the number of deaths from motor vehicle traffic crashes that year (36 161).1 That same year, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that 5 people died from terrorism. Since 1968, more individuals in the United States have died from gun violence than in battle during all the wars the country has fought since its inception.2

    Guns do not make individuals, their families, or homes safer and they result in far more deaths to loved ones than to an intruder intending to cause harm.3 Often forgotten is that 60.7% of the gun deaths in 2015 in the United States were suicides.1 Means used to attempt suicide matter; guns will result in suicidal deaths well over 90% of the time, whereas ingestion of pills or wrist cutting will be unsuccessful more than 90% of the time. The majority of people who try to commit suicide but survive the attempt will not go on to die from suicide4; if the attempt is with a gun, there will be no second chance at life.

    Guns kill people. More background checks; more hotel, school, and venue security; more restrictions on the number and types of guns that individuals can own; and development of “smart guns” may help decrease firearm violence. But the key to reducing firearm deaths in the United States is to understand and reduce exposure to the cause, just like in any epidemic, and in this case that is guns.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2657417

    Nothing can be done. 'Murica is the best!

    Yep nothing can be done except dig holes for the dead !
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,353
    Nothing can be done?
    I don't get why that is quoted so much here, the only people I ever hear say it are the anti-gun crowd. So who are you quoting?
    Why does Trump keep getting brought up and blamed? Did we already forget we had 8 years of Obama? And that Columbine happened while Clinton was president? But yes, lets blame it all on Trump and the maga voters.
    Things can get done. They just don't.

    That is incredibly sad news about Sydney.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,946
    edited March 2019
    mace1229 said:
    Nothing can be done?
    I don't get why that is quoted so much here, the only people I ever hear say it are the anti-gun crowd. So who are you quoting?
    Why does Trump keep getting brought up and blamed? Did we already forget we had 8 years of Obama? And that Columbine happened while Clinton was president? But yes, lets blame it all on Trump and the maga voters.
    Things can get done. They just don't.

    That is incredibly sad news about Sydney.
    The only reason nothing was done under Obama is because the Republicans blocked him from getting anything done. He tried hard.
    I don't think anyone blames Trump directly here - he doesn't give a flying fuck about the dead or about anything, really. People continue blame the GOP, and quite rightly, which just happens to be lead by Trump at the moment, and Trump isn't doing a thing to try and change the GOP's mind. So I'm not sure how you expect people not to lay blame where it belongs.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,793
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    Nothing can be done?
    I don't get why that is quoted so much here, the only people I ever hear say it are the anti-gun crowd. So who are you quoting?
    Why does Trump keep getting brought up and blamed? Did we already forget we had 8 years of Obama? And that Columbine happened while Clinton was president? But yes, lets blame it all on Trump and the maga voters.
    Things can get done. They just don't.

    That is incredibly sad news about Sydney.
    The only reason nothing was done under Obama is because the Republicans blocked him from getting anything done. He tried hard.
    I don't think anyone blames Trump directly here - he doesn't give a flying fuck about the dead or about anything, really. People continue blame the GOP, and quite rightly, which just happens to be lead by Trump at the moment, and Trump isn't doing a thing to try and change the GOP's mind. So I'm not sure how you expect people not to lay blame where it belongs.
    Obama had his chance too though, but they made healthcare the hill they were going to die on so gun reform was tossed aside. He could have made it a priority, but I think he also knew anything he did would be overturned in a few years, much like the assault rifle ban. It just would have been feel good regulation until Republicans took over. It's beyond fucked up that it's the way it is though. The gun lobby are all lifelong evil empire hell seekers.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,752
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    Nothing can be done?
    I don't get why that is quoted so much here, the only people I ever hear say it are the anti-gun crowd. So who are you quoting?
    Why does Trump keep getting brought up and blamed? Did we already forget we had 8 years of Obama? And that Columbine happened while Clinton was president? But yes, lets blame it all on Trump and the maga voters.
    Things can get done. They just don't.

    That is incredibly sad news about Sydney.
    The only reason nothing was done under Obama is because the Republicans blocked him from getting anything done. He tried hard.
    I don't think anyone blames Trump directly here - he doesn't give a flying fuck about the dead or about anything, really. People continue blame the GOP, and quite rightly, which just happens to be lead by Trump at the moment, and Trump isn't doing a thing to try and change the GOP's mind. So I'm not sure how you expect people not to lay blame where it belongs.
    Blame is mostly on the Republicans (politicians and voters alike) and all on the gun lobby

  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited March 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    While New Zealand is demonstrating responsibility... over in the US:

    https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1108728860026142720?s=21

    Hahahhahahhahahhaha

    Sorry My2. I realize you’re tired of taking shots (no pun intended)... but holy shit, man. Stoooopid. I guess when you gut public education you can do whatever the f**k you want with the befuddled masses.

    Active shooter drills are to be made fun of?  That s pretty low bud. 
    They are to be made fun of. When this is the response the greatest country in the world serves up as its solution to their mass shooting epidemic... it’s laughable.

    It’s the equivalent of Bobby Knight’s rape comment.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,480
    mcgruff10 said:
    While New Zealand is demonstrating responsibility... over in the US:

    https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1108728860026142720?s=21

    Hahahhahahhahahhaha

    Sorry My2. I realize you’re tired of taking shots (no pun intended)... but holy shit, man. Stoooopid. I guess when you gut public education you can do whatever the f**k you want with the befuddled masses.

    Active shooter drills are to be made fun of?  That s pretty low bud. 
    They are to be made fun of. When this is the response the greatest country in the world serves up as its solution to their mass shooting epidemic... it’s laughable.

    It’s the equivalent of Bobby Knight’s rape comment.
    Exactly it’s pathetic this country is weak !!
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,483
    mcgruff10 said:
    While New Zealand is demonstrating responsibility... over in the US:

    https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1108728860026142720?s=21

    Hahahhahahhahahhaha

    Sorry My2. I realize you’re tired of taking shots (no pun intended)... but holy shit, man. Stoooopid. I guess when you gut public education you can do whatever the f**k you want with the befuddled masses.

    Active shooter drills are to be made fun of?  That s pretty low bud. 
    They are to be made fun of. When this is the response the greatest country in the world serves up as its solution to their mass shooting epidemic... it’s laughable.

    It’s the equivalent of Bobby Knight’s rape comment.
    Nobody is saying it is a solution but you.  It is a drill. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    While New Zealand is demonstrating responsibility... over in the US:

    https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1108728860026142720?s=21

    Hahahhahahhahahhaha

    Sorry My2. I realize you’re tired of taking shots (no pun intended)... but holy shit, man. Stoooopid. I guess when you gut public education you can do whatever the f**k you want with the befuddled masses.

    Active shooter drills are to be made fun of?  That s pretty low bud. 
    They are to be made fun of. When this is the response the greatest country in the world serves up as its solution to their mass shooting epidemic... it’s laughable.

    It’s the equivalent of Bobby Knight’s rape comment.
    Nobody is saying it is a solution but you.  It is a drill. 

    I know.

    The response to a country’s pattern of mass murder is to run drills so people are ready to participate as victims. 

    If mass murder is inevitable given you refuse to develop meaningful gun laws...

    New Zealand ‘ain’t playin’. They are tackling the problem. The US- for decades no less- accepts mass murder as a facet of life. These recent moronic arguments about population size and the usual classics are not legitimate.

    "My brain's a good brain!"
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