America's Gun Violence

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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,357
    njnancy said:
    mace1229 said:
    So who’s going to stop that shooting on 11/2, we now know exactly when and where it’s going to be!
    Huh?
    The first listing has the date of 11/2 which is in the future (nowadays I can't take facts for granted). It actually is connected to a shooting on 10/27. 

    mace is being snarky. but that's a stupid mistake on the table. 
    Yes, it was just a joke. Looks like they fixed it.
  • We need insane asylums again.  Remember those? We need to lock up these crazies, labotomize, and be able to congregate in public places and places of worship without fear.

    I don't think that anti-Semitism has ever been classified as a mental disorder. 
    Totally agree.  I still think there’s a lot of crazies walking the streets out there though.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited October 2018
    We need insane asylums again.  Remember those? We need to lock up these crazies, labotomize, and be able to congregate in public places and places of worship without fear.

    I don't think that anti-Semitism has ever been classified as a mental disorder. 
    Why would someone think that it* (edited) was?  *not implying you*
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,797
    It appears most of our violent offenders from last week came from homes where "daddy didn't give attention".

    Mr. Lowy said that Mr. Sayoc’s family members were Democrats and that Mr. Sayoc seemed to have no outspoken partisan views during the 2002 case. But he said that Mr. Trump’s angry rhetoric and his appeals to the “forgotten man and woman” during the 2016 campaign seemed to strike a deep chord with Mr. Sayoc, whose father had abandoned the family when he was a child.

    “He was looking for some type of parental figure and being a loner, being an outcast, being the kind of person Trump speaks to, I think he was attracted to Trump as a father figure,” Mr. Lowy said.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/27/us/cesar-altieri-sayoc-bomber.html

    I thought I'd also heard some where that the Pittsburgh shooter (who I refuse to mention by name) came from a home where there was a lack of a father figure, but I can't find anything to back that up so it may be speculation at this point.

    If I remember correctly, we went off on this tangent a while back and the role of broken families as one of the more common factors in predicting future violent behavior. It is just one of many pieces to the puzzle, but does seems to be more common than not.

    It's a hopeless situation...
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Fatal school shooting in North Carolina today. The school had an armed security guard, but one student still died of gunshot injuries.

    The school resumed classes shortly after the accused was apprehended. They are getting a lot of criticism for this, but state that it was done to keep students "safe" in class. I hope that the classes offered support and time to get deal with the shock, and not a big dose of academics. 

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/butler-high-school-shooting_us_5bd72dece4b0d38b5886451d
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    Fatal school shooting in North Carolina today. The school had an armed security guard, but one student still died of gunshot injuries.

    The school resumed classes shortly after the accused was apprehended. They are getting a lot of criticism for this, but state that it was done to keep students "safe" in class. I hope that the classes offered support and time to get deal with the shock, and not a big dose of academics. 

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/butler-high-school-shooting_us_5bd72dece4b0d38b5886451d
    That's fucking insane. I'm with the parent who tweeted that they crossed the 'line' and demanded their kid - I would have done the same thing. 'A bullying incident that went too far' - ya think? Jesus Christ, what the hell is wrong with that school. It was updated that there is no school tomorrow and Wednesday and that they are now offering counselors but to make the kids and teachers stay for the school day is in no way a security move. It is the normalization of gun violence. God help this generation of children. 
  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    tbergs said:
    It appears most of our violent offenders from last week came from homes where "daddy didn't give attention".

    Mr. Lowy said that Mr. Sayoc’s family members were Democrats and that Mr. Sayoc seemed to have no outspoken partisan views during the 2002 case. But he said that Mr. Trump’s angry rhetoric and his appeals to the “forgotten man and woman” during the 2016 campaign seemed to strike a deep chord with Mr. Sayoc, whose father had abandoned the family when he was a child.

    “He was looking for some type of parental figure and being a loner, being an outcast, being the kind of person Trump speaks to, I think he was attracted to Trump as a father figure,” Mr. Lowy said.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/27/us/cesar-altieri-sayoc-bomber.html

    I thought I'd also heard some where that the Pittsburgh shooter (who I refuse to mention by name) came from a home where there was a lack of a father figure, but I can't find anything to back that up so it may be speculation at this point.

    If I remember correctly, we went off on this tangent a while back and the role of broken families as one of the more common factors in predicting future violent behavior. It is just one of many pieces to the puzzle, but does seems to be more common than not.

    This just makes me more concerned about my son. Fuck.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,357
    Fatal school shooting in North Carolina today. The school had an armed security guard, but one student still died of gunshot injuries.

    The school resumed classes shortly after the accused was apprehended. They are getting a lot of criticism for this, but state that it was done to keep students "safe" in class. I hope that the classes offered support and time to get deal with the shock, and not a big dose of academics. 

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/butler-high-school-shooting_us_5bd72dece4b0d38b5886451d
    I'm not sure if I agree with that decision or not, but it isn't as bad as the title implies.
    Yes, they held classes, but parents were notified and encouraged to pick their kids up. This was done because transportation was not available and they did not want kids roaming the neighborhoods and starting new things up who didn't have a way to get home.
    It's not like the school just said "shooting's over, everyone back to class." They encouraged parents to pick up their kids, according to the article only very few remained on campus. And the logic makes sense, something like this happens and you just released kids, there is a good chance something else will happen.
    According to the article it looked like they had 2 options. Release students and risk something else happened to unsupervised students. Often times one fight will start an after-shock of fights in response. Or to keep students under supervision and safe.

    I can guarantee you not 1 teacher held a "class" after this with any meaningful expectations. But maybe there were other options not considered that would have been better. Maybe evacuating then releasing students or something. But I do believe this was 100% with safety in mind.
    As a teacher we've had similar days. Not for violence, but an unexpected storm or something rolls in. They notify parents to please come pick up their kids asap (which is what it sounds like they did here), but we still hold "classes" for those who cant. We can't just close school and tell kids "good luck." It ends up being about 3 or 4 kids in a class and we just show some Disney movie. I'm guessing that is close to what happened.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,797
    Concerned, but apparently not enough to vote. That's disappointing.

    Sixty-eight percent of people between the ages 18 and 21 expressed concern for the state of the nation, but the study found this generation to be least likely to run to the polls in November, with just 54% saying they will vote.

    The survey says that number is well below the overall average of 7 in 10 adults from all generations who plan to vote in the 2018 midterm elections.

    Still, 57% of Gen Z believed the cases of separation and deportation of immigrant families in the United States to be a significant source of stress, in comparison to 45% of adults overall.

    Widespread reports of sexual harassment or abuse have also played a big role in the young adults' stress levels, as 53% blamed this issue for their stress. Only 39% of adults overall say the same.

    As for climate change, 58% of Gen Z says it's a significant source of stress, in comparison with 51% of adults overall.

    Evans attributes these results to the fact that certain regions of a young adult's brain are still maturing and have not developed enough to handle stress the same way adults do.

    "While young people are facing many of the same issues that older adults face, they have not yet had the life experiences that many older adults have had, such as practice responding to and coping with a broad range of stressors," he said.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    tbergs said:
    Concerned, but apparently not enough to vote. That's disappointing.

    Sixty-eight percent of people between the ages 18 and 21 expressed concern for the state of the nation, but the study found this generation to be least likely to run to the polls in November, with just 54% saying they will vote.

    The survey says that number is well below the overall average of 7 in 10 adults from all generations who plan to vote in the 2018 midterm elections.

    Still, 57% of Gen Z believed the cases of separation and deportation of immigrant families in the United States to be a significant source of stress, in comparison to 45% of adults overall.

    Widespread reports of sexual harassment or abuse have also played a big role in the young adults' stress levels, as 53% blamed this issue for their stress. Only 39% of adults overall say the same.

    As for climate change, 58% of Gen Z says it's a significant source of stress, in comparison with 51% of adults overall.

    Evans attributes these results to the fact that certain regions of a young adult's brain are still maturing and have not developed enough to handle stress the same way adults do.

    "While young people are facing many of the same issues that older adults face, they have not yet had the life experiences that many older adults have had, such as practice responding to and coping with a broad range of stressors," he said.
    Youth have always voted st a lower rate than older adults. I took a quick look at it seems that the highest rate of youth voting has still been less than 50%, and that was in a presidential election year. 54% would actually be up. People in middle age typically have the highest voter turnout. More to complain about by that point, I guess.  
     
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,436
    tbergs said:
    Concerned, but apparently not enough to vote. That's disappointing.

    Sixty-eight percent of people between the ages 18 and 21 expressed concern for the state of the nation, but the study found this generation to be least likely to run to the polls in November, with just 54% saying they will vote.

    The survey says that number is well below the overall average of 7 in 10 adults from all generations who plan to vote in the 2018 midterm elections.

    Still, 57% of Gen Z believed the cases of separation and deportation of immigrant families in the United States to be a significant source of stress, in comparison to 45% of adults overall.

    Widespread reports of sexual harassment or abuse have also played a big role in the young adults' stress levels, as 53% blamed this issue for their stress. Only 39% of adults overall say the same.

    As for climate change, 58% of Gen Z says it's a significant source of stress, in comparison with 51% of adults overall.

    Evans attributes these results to the fact that certain regions of a young adult's brain are still maturing and have not developed enough to handle stress the same way adults do.

    "While young people are facing many of the same issues that older adults face, they have not yet had the life experiences that many older adults have had, such as practice responding to and coping with a broad range of stressors," he said.
    Youth have always voted st a lower rate than older adults. I took a quick look at it seems that the highest rate of youth voting has still been less than 50%, and that was in a presidential election year. 54% would actually be up. People in middle age typically have the highest voter turnout. More to complain about by that point, I guess.  
     
    I wonder if it has to do with politics really hitting their pockets by that point.  
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  • tbergs said:
    Concerned, but apparently not enough to vote. That's disappointing.

    Sixty-eight percent of people between the ages 18 and 21 expressed concern for the state of the nation, but the study found this generation to be least likely to run to the polls in November, with just 54% saying they will vote.

    The survey says that number is well below the overall average of 7 in 10 adults from all generations who plan to vote in the 2018 midterm elections.

    Still, 57% of Gen Z believed the cases of separation and deportation of immigrant families in the United States to be a significant source of stress, in comparison to 45% of adults overall.

    Widespread reports of sexual harassment or abuse have also played a big role in the young adults' stress levels, as 53% blamed this issue for their stress. Only 39% of adults overall say the same.

    As for climate change, 58% of Gen Z says it's a significant source of stress, in comparison with 51% of adults overall.

    Evans attributes these results to the fact that certain regions of a young adult's brain are still maturing and have not developed enough to handle stress the same way adults do.

    "While young people are facing many of the same issues that older adults face, they have not yet had the life experiences that many older adults have had, such as practice responding to and coping with a broad range of stressors," he said.
    Youth have always voted st a lower rate than older adults. I took a quick look at it seems that the highest rate of youth voting has still been less than 50%, and that was in a presidential election year. 54% would actually be up. People in middle age typically have the highest voter turnout. More to complain about by that point, I guess.  
     
    I wonder if it has to do with politics really hitting their pockets by that point.  
    honestly, in my 20's, politics wasn't even on my radar. not whatsoever. I knew who the basic leaders were, but zero clue about anyone else. or any of the real issues. I just seriously didn't give a shit. I don't think I voted a single time before my 30's. And it was honestly probably a combination of Pearl Jam and other artists like Rage and 9/11 that got me really invested in what was going on around me. 
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  • dignin said:
    Are those ballots being guarded by the UN? Or Steve Bannon?
     
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    dignin said:
    Up 500%. Jesus. Turnout must have been awful before. 

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,485
    mace1229 said:
    Fatal school shooting in North Carolina today. The school had an armed security guard, but one student still died of gunshot injuries.

    The school resumed classes shortly after the accused was apprehended. They are getting a lot of criticism for this, but state that it was done to keep students "safe" in class. I hope that the classes offered support and time to get deal with the shock, and not a big dose of academics. 

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/butler-high-school-shooting_us_5bd72dece4b0d38b5886451d
    I'm not sure if I agree with that decision or not, but it isn't as bad as the title implies.
    Yes, they held classes, but parents were notified and encouraged to pick their kids up. This was done because transportation was not available and they did not want kids roaming the neighborhoods and starting new things up who didn't have a way to get home.
    It's not like the school just said "shooting's over, everyone back to class." They encouraged parents to pick up their kids, according to the article only very few remained on campus. And the logic makes sense, something like this happens and you just released kids, there is a good chance something else will happen.
    According to the article it looked like they had 2 options. Release students and risk something else happened to unsupervised students. Often times one fight will start an after-shock of fights in response. Or to keep students under supervision and safe.

    I can guarantee you not 1 teacher held a "class" after this with any meaningful expectations. But maybe there were other options not considered that would have been better. Maybe evacuating then releasing students or something. But I do believe this was 100% with safety in mind.
    As a teacher we've had similar days. Not for violence, but an unexpected storm or something rolls in. They notify parents to please come pick up their kids asap (which is what it sounds like they did here), but we still hold "classes" for those who cant. We can't just close school and tell kids "good luck." It ends up being about 3 or 4 kids in a class and we just show some Disney movie. I'm guessing that is close to what happened.
    Just the fact that this is an issue this country has to deal is absurd , it’s like a snow day now ! 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,755
    Karma is a bitch. Or a son of a bitch...

    Las Cruces man: ‘My dog accidentally pulled the trigger, shot me while hunting’.
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    Any relation? I'm not sure how common the name is.

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  • Karma is a bitch. Or a son of a bitch...

    Las Cruces man: ‘My dog accidentally pulled the trigger, shot me while hunting’.
    This is Karma?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,934
    edited November 2018
    Karma is a bitch. Or a son of a bitch...

    Las Cruces man: ‘My dog accidentally pulled the trigger, shot me while hunting’.
    This is Karma?
    getting shot by an animal while animal hunting? I'd say it fits the bill. 
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  • Karma is a bitch. Or a son of a bitch...

    Las Cruces man: ‘My dog accidentally pulled the trigger, shot me while hunting’.
    This is Karma?
    getting shot by an animal while animal hunting? I'd say it fits the bill. 
    Or a really smart dog with a crappy owner.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Karma is a bitch. Or a son of a bitch...

    Las Cruces man: ‘My dog accidentally pulled the trigger, shot me while hunting’.
    This is Karma?
    getting shot by an animal while animal hunting? I'd say it fits the bill. 
    Or a really smart dog with a crappy owner.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,981
    edited November 2018
    Who knew rocks were protected under 2A? Your right to keep and bear rocks shall not be infringed.

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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    Who knew rocks were protected under 2A? Your right to keep and bear rocks shall not be infringed.

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    The man is insane and out of control. It is frightening. 
  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    Karma is a bitch. Or a son of a bitch...

    Las Cruces man: ‘My dog accidentally pulled the trigger, shot me while hunting’.
    This is Karma?
    getting shot by an animal while animal hunting? I'd say it fits the bill. 
    Or a really smart dog with a crappy owner.
    “I’m going to doggy hell, but for the good of all dogkind , I have to do this” 
    And the dog shot him in the back, I know I shouldn't laugh, but that just cracks me up. Never saw it coming. 
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited November 2018
    I’m remembering when I caught crap for laughing at the dumbass protester that accidentally got shot in the face by some duck hunters.  I guess it’s okay to resume making fun of him again, right?  Hard to keep up with the hypocrisy around here..../s
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  • PJPOWER said:
    I’m remembering when I caught crap for laughing at the dumbass protester that accidentally got shot in the face by some duck hunters.  I guess it’s okay to resume making fun of him again, right?  Hard to keep up with the hypocrisy around here.

    Kind of a different situation isn't it?


    If you're accidentally shot by your own hunting party (a dog no less)... that's different than what I think you're describing over there (some morons hunting ducks shoot a dude protesting something).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
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