America's Gun Violence

RYME

I'm done arguing for a while.  Excuse me from the conversation while I go deer hunting with my Dear Old Dad for a while.
I leave you with this tune.
https://youtu.be/3cQNkIrg-Tk
One more
BB Guns & Dirt Bikes
By The White Buffalo
https://youtu.be/uLAlLZgKafs

Thirty Bills Unpaid

RYME said:

I'm done arguing for a while.  Excuse me from the conversation while I go deer hunting with my Dear Old Dad for a while.
I leave you with this tune.
https://youtu.be/3cQNkIrg-Tk

I saw this guy live last year.

He poked fun at gays. When he did, he got a couple of 'yee haws' from the crowd (maybe even a few 'git 'er duns' too). I didn't storm out of there like the Cletuses did at Roger Waters when he called the sexual predator, lying POTUS a 'pig'. I recognized the setting I was in an went in knowing what to expect. It was an interesting experience.

The individuals I met at the show were very friendly and warm. I wondered how my experience might have been had I been a different color or of a different sexual orientation.

RYME

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RYME said:

I'm done arguing for a while.  Excuse me from the conversation while I go deer hunting with my Dear Old Dad for a while.
I leave you with this tune.
https://youtu.be/3cQNkIrg-Tk

I saw this guy live last year.

He poked fun at gays. When he did, he got a couple of 'yee haws' from the crowd (maybe even a few 'git 'er duns' too). I didn't storm out of there like the Cletuses did at Roger Waters when he called the sexual predator, lying POTUS a 'pig'. I recognized the setting I was in an went in knowing what to expect. It was an interesting experience.

The individuals I met at the show were very friendly and warm. I wondered how my experience might have been had I been a different color or of a different sexual orientation.

Sorry I don't know I don't follow this guy's person life, never been to a show. I just like some of his music. But it might be kind of like a conservative at a Pearl Jam Show, because I know I'm in the minority.
But I would never excuse racial or homophobic stuff from Hank if that's what he said or says.  I just liked the tune.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

RYME said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RYME said:

I'm done arguing for a while.  Excuse me from the conversation while I go deer hunting with my Dear Old Dad for a while.
I leave you with this tune.
https://youtu.be/3cQNkIrg-Tk

I saw this guy live last year.

He poked fun at gays. When he did, he got a couple of 'yee haws' from the crowd (maybe even a few 'git 'er duns' too). I didn't storm out of there like the Cletuses did at Roger Waters when he called the sexual predator, lying POTUS a 'pig'. I recognized the setting I was in an went in knowing what to expect. It was an interesting experience.

The individuals I met at the show were very friendly and warm. I wondered how my experience might have been had I been a different color or of a different sexual orientation.

Sorry I don't know I don't follow this guy's person life, never been to a show. I just like some of his music. But it might be kind of like a conservative at a Pearl Jam Show, because I know I'm in the minority.
But I would never excuse racial or homophobic stuff from Hank if that's what he said or says.  I just liked the tune.

I was not suggesting that's what you intended.

I was just relaying my experience. Those people at the show were genuinely nice people to me. I just wished that some of those same people, who might hold some traditional values that allow for discrimination, would extend their gracious attitude to all people regardless of race or sexual orientation.

Hank never helped them get where they need to be with his remarks. He enforced and promoted that horrible mentality. 

mcgruff10

yikes!:

California rampage puts spotlight on homemade 'ghost guns'

 Michael Balsamo, Associated Press,Associated Press 5 hours ago

In this Tuesday, Aug. 29, 2017, photo, homemade rifles are displayed on a table at an ATF field office in Glendale, Calif. Police say Kevin Neal, who was barred from having guns because of a restraining order, made the two high-powered rifles he used in his shooting rampage in Northern California on Tuesday, Nov. 14. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The gunman who killed his wife and four others in a rampage in Northern California this week found an easy way around a court order prohibiting him from having guns: He built his own at home.

Kevin Neal, 44, was armed with what authorities believe were two high-powered rifles that he made himself when he opened fire Tuesday on homes, cars and an elementary school around his tiny hometown of Rancho Tehama Reserve. A deputy finally shot and killed him.

It is the latest case of homemade semi-automatic weapons being used in a crime, and it comes as federal authorities try to draw attention to the dangers posed by these "ghost guns," which contain no registration numbers that can be used to trace them. In Baltimore, a man used a homemade AR-15-style rifle to shoot at four police officers in July 2016. They returned fire, killing him.

It's legal to build a gun in a home or a workshop, and advances in 3-D printing and milling have made it easier to do so. Kits can be purchased legally for $450 to $1,000 from hundreds of websites without the kind of background check required for traditional gun purchases.

"The more restrictive the laws become for people to purchase firearms, we're going to see those criminal elements build their own," Tehama County Assistant Sheriff Phil Johnston said. "That's what they do."

In Neal's case, he had been ordered to give up all his guns earlier this year under a restraining order issued against him after he was charged with assaulting two women who lived nearby. He signed a document in February saying he surrendered a 9 mm handgun to a gun store, which also attested to that. When Neal was arrested, police seized an AR-15 Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle.

While making a ghost gun is legal, selling one is not. Federal officials are sounding the alarm about an increasing black market for homemade military-style semi-automatic rifles and handguns.

Mills where such weapons are built are popping up across the country and especially in California, which has strict gun laws. By 2019, people who own or create homemade firearms in California will have to apply for a serial number from the state and permanently affix it to the weapon.

RYME

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RYME said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RYME said:

I'm done arguing for a while.  Excuse me from the conversation while I go deer hunting with my Dear Old Dad for a while.
I leave you with this tune.
https://youtu.be/3cQNkIrg-Tk

I saw this guy live last year.

He poked fun at gays. When he did, he got a couple of 'yee haws' from the crowd (maybe even a few 'git 'er duns' too). I didn't storm out of there like the Cletuses did at Roger Waters when he called the sexual predator, lying POTUS a 'pig'. I recognized the setting I was in an went in knowing what to expect. It was an interesting experience.

The individuals I met at the show were very friendly and warm. I wondered how my experience might have been had I been a different color or of a different sexual orientation.

Sorry I don't know I don't follow this guy's person life, never been to a show. I just like some of his music. But it might be kind of like a conservative at a Pearl Jam Show, because I know I'm in the minority.
But I would never excuse racial or homophobic stuff from Hank if that's what he said or says.  I just liked the tune.

I was not suggesting that's what you intended.

I was just relaying my experience. Those people at the show were genuinely nice people to me. I just wished that some of those same people, who might hold some traditional values that allow for discrimination, would extend their gracious attitude to all people regardless of race or sexual orientation.

Hank never helped them get where they need to be with his remarks. He enforced and promoted that horrible mentality. 

It's Friday for me so, Perhaps I should leave you with a better song from a much better guy.
I am a patriot
https://youtu.be/QQNVJQR65Zc

oftenreading

I have always assumed that the lyrics to I Am A Patriot were meant ironically. How else can you take the line "I love my country because my country is all I know"?  

RYME

oftenreading said:

I have always assumed that the lyrics to I Am A Patriot were meant ironically. How else can you take the line "I love my country because my country is all I know"?  

I started off with the Hank Williams jr. Tune, that got shut down, understandingly it got tossed back because he's a homophobic racist Southern Confederate.  Ok I am sensitive, not an inconsiderate À-Hole, SOB to that sort of stuff.  So okay, I switch gears, and put up a patriotic song that Pearl Jam does.  That is met with blowback and distortion.
Do you hate your country?  You've got the word ironically mistaken for the word facetious if that's what you're insinuating the song means.  I thought it was a song about tossing out all the barriers that separate us.  And focusing on the things that we agree on one-party freedom.
No matter what I toss out there, it becomes a controversial boomerang. That is amazing to me.  That suggests to me that you're not actually concerned about the issues, rather you're more interested in arguing with whoever, more than actually trying to solve any of these issues. Doesn't matter what it's about as long as you're arguing you are happy.
Even a great song sung by Eddie Vedder & Pearl Jam gets scrutinized to the highest degree. I don't get it.

oftenreading

RYME said:

oftenreading said:

I have always assumed that the lyrics to I Am A Patriot were meant ironically. How else can you take the line "I love my country because my country is all I know"?  

I started off with the Hank Williams jr. Tune, that got shut down, understandingly it got tossed back because he's a homophobic racist Southern Confederate.  Ok I am sensitive, not an inconsiderate À-Hole, SOB to that sort of stuff.  So okay, I switch gears, and put up a patriotic song that Pearl Jam does.  That is met with blowback and distortion.
Do you hate your country?  You've got the word ironically mistaken for the word facetious if that's what you're insinuating the song means.  I thought it was a song about tossing out all the barriers that separate us.  And focusing on the things that we agree on one-party freedom.
No matter what I toss out there, it becomes a controversial boomerang. That is amazing to me.  That suggests to me that you're not actually concerned about the issues, rather you're more interested in arguing with whoever, more than actually trying to solve any of these issues. Doesn't matter what it's about as long as you're arguing you are happy.
Even a great song sung by Eddie Vedder & Pearl Jam gets scrutinized to the highest degree. I don't get it.

Again, I'll say what others have said - if you're not open to discussion and comment on your posts, then don't post them.  You may also want to take a step back from the sensitivity - people are allowed to comment on songs - yes, even songs sung by Eddie Vedder! - without it being a criticism of you. 

jnimhaoileoin

RYME said:

oftenreading said:

I have always assumed that the lyrics to I Am A Patriot were meant ironically. How else can you take the line "I love my country because my country is all I know"?  

I started off with the Hank Williams jr. Tune, that got shut down, understandingly it got tossed back because he's a homophobic racist Southern Confederate.  Ok I am sensitive, not an inconsiderate À-Hole, SOB to that sort of stuff.  So okay, I switch gears, and put up a patriotic song that Pearl Jam does.  That is met with blowback and distortion.
Do you hate your country?  You've got the word ironically mistaken for the word facetious if that's what you're insinuating the song means.  I thought it was a song about tossing out all the barriers that separate us.  And focusing on the things that we agree on one-party freedom.
No matter what I toss out there, it becomes a controversial boomerang. That is amazing to me.  That suggests to me that you're not actually concerned about the issues, rather you're more interested in arguing with whoever, more than actually trying to solve any of these issues. Doesn't matter what it's about as long as you're arguing you are happy.
Even a great song sung by Eddie Vedder & Pearl Jam gets scrutinized to the highest degree. I don't get it.

You took that way too personally, Often was essentially musing aloud on a point of interest and curiosity about a song you posted. The fact that it was you who posted it is irrelevant, the comment was on the song

PJPOWER

mcgruff10 said:

yikes!:

California rampage puts spotlight on homemade 'ghost guns'

 Michael Balsamo, Associated Press,Associated Press 5 hours ago

In this Tuesday, Aug. 29, 2017, photo, homemade rifles are displayed on a table at an ATF field office in Glendale, Calif. Police say Kevin Neal, who was barred from having guns because of a restraining order, made the two high-powered rifles he used in his shooting rampage in Northern California on Tuesday, Nov. 14. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The gunman who killed his wife and four others in a rampage in Northern California this week found an easy way around a court order prohibiting him from having guns: He built his own at home.

Kevin Neal, 44, was armed with what authorities believe were two high-powered rifles that he made himself when he opened fire Tuesday on homes, cars and an elementary school around his tiny hometown of Rancho Tehama Reserve. A deputy finally shot and killed him.

It is the latest case of homemade semi-automatic weapons being used in a crime, and it comes as federal authorities try to draw attention to the dangers posed by these "ghost guns," which contain no registration numbers that can be used to trace them. In Baltimore, a man used a homemade AR-15-style rifle to shoot at four police officers in July 2016. They returned fire, killing him.

It's legal to build a gun in a home or a workshop, and advances in 3-D printing and milling have made it easier to do so. Kits can be purchased legally for $450 to $1,000 from hundreds of websites without the kind of background check required for traditional gun purchases.

"The more restrictive the laws become for people to purchase firearms, we're going to see those criminal elements build their own," Tehama County Assistant Sheriff Phil Johnston said. "That's what they do."

In Neal's case, he had been ordered to give up all his guns earlier this year under a restraining order issued against him after he was charged with assaulting two women who lived nearby. He signed a document in February saying he surrendered a 9 mm handgun to a gun store, which also attested to that. When Neal was arrested, police seized an AR-15 Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle.

While making a ghost gun is legal, selling one is not. Federal officials are sounding the alarm about an increasing black market for homemade military-style semi-automatic rifles and handguns.

Mills where such weapons are built are popping up across the country and especially in California, which has strict gun laws. By 2019, people who own or create homemade firearms in California will have to apply for a serial number from the state and permanently affix it to the weapon.

Criminals finding ways around laws...you don’t say!  Maybe we should tell them they cannot make “ghost guns”.  That should stop them......

unsung

LOL!

Ghost guns!

PJPOWER

unsung said:

LOL!

Ghost guns!

“Who ya gonna call”

tbergs

PJPOWER said:

unsung said:

LOL!

Ghost guns!

“Who ya gonna call”

I'm glad you both think it's funny that criminals have yet another loophole to buy a "gun". I won't ask you if a law should be passed making it illegal to purchase these kits because we all know that would infringe on the 2nd Amendment and the NRA won't make it an issue so it's dead. Laugh away. Stay locked and loaded because there could be a ghost haunting your life someday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/loophole-lets-criminals-buy-untraceable-ghost-guns-online-n719121

PJPOWER

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

unsung said:

LOL!

Ghost guns!

“Who ya gonna call”

I'm glad you both think it's funny that criminals have yet another loophole to buy a "gun". I won't ask you if a law should be passed making it illegal to purchase these kits because we all know that would infringe on the 2nd Amendment and the NRA won't make it an issue so it's dead. Laugh away. Stay locked and loaded because there could be a ghost haunting your life someday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/loophole-lets-criminals-buy-untraceable-ghost-guns-online-n719121

“There’s something strange...in the neighborhood”
Look, I’ve said numerous times on here that people that really really want an AR-15 can make one in the comfort of their own homes using a 3D printer for little more than it would have cost to buy it legitimately.  Does not take an engineering degree or a mechanical genius to make a lower receiver.  The rest are just simple parts...There is no way of truly stopping a person from obtaining (or making) an ar-15 if they are set on having one.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I wish Queen would have wrote 'I'm in Love With My Gun' versus 'I'm in Love With My Car'.

It could be a theme song for some. And everybody needs a theme song.

tbergs

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

unsung said:

LOL!

Ghost guns!

“Who ya gonna call”

I'm glad you both think it's funny that criminals have yet another loophole to buy a "gun". I won't ask you if a law should be passed making it illegal to purchase these kits because we all know that would infringe on the 2nd Amendment and the NRA won't make it an issue so it's dead. Laugh away. Stay locked and loaded because there could be a ghost haunting your life someday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/loophole-lets-criminals-buy-untraceable-ghost-guns-online-n719121

“There’s something strange...in the neighborhood”
Look, I’ve said numerous times on here that people that really really want an AR-15 can make one in the comfort of their own homes using a 3D printer for little more than it would have cost to buy it legitimately.  Does not take an engineering degree or a mechanical genius to make a lower receiver.  The rest are just simple parts...There is no way of truly stopping a person from obtaining (or making) an ar-15 if they are set on having one.

That's fine and dandy, but let them find each piece individually instead of the all in one kit my kid could probably assemble. People can also make their own bomb with a bunch of store bought chemicals, doesn't mean we need to enable them by selling them the home bomb kit with everything included.

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I wish Queen would have wrote 'I'm in Love With My Gun' versus 'I'm in Love With My Car'.

It could be a theme song for some. And everybody needs a theme song.

I agree:
https://youtu.be/ocHdNYvFtkQ

Halifax2TheMax

Ha, ha! Hilarious! Another responsible gun owner. Remind me not to go to church.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/11/17/a-man-accidentally-shot-himself-and-his-wife-at-a-church-shortly-after-a-discussion-on-shootings/

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I wish Queen would have wrote 'I'm in Love With My Gun' versus 'I'm in Love With My Car'.

It could be a theme song for some. And everybody needs a theme song.

I agree:
https://youtu.be/ocHdNYvFtkQ

I'm confused. Advertisement? Gene Simmons? Heckler?

I tried to play along.