America's Gun Violence

Halifax2TheMax

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

You are wrong.  I suggested disarming all leftists.  That would include the Communists like antifa, all of the Nazis, all illegal aliens, and most of the gang members.

Communism and Nazism were responsible for most of the government caused deaths in the 1900's and gang members are likely the cause of most of the murders now.  
Nearly everyone here has expressed that they desired a reduction of firearms, I say lead by example.  Have your lefty friends all turn in their guns, don't wait for government to tell you to.  Step up.

Or was that not what you wanted?

why do you insist on disarming only one group? why not, as halifax suggested, disarm all white men? they are the perps of most/all the mass shootings, right?

Because he fears elimination of the white race yet I have yet to hear what he’s doing about it to stave it off.

Bentleyspop

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

You are wrong.  I suggested disarming all leftists.  That would include the Communists like antifa, all of the Nazis, all illegal aliens, and most of the gang members.

Communism and Nazism were responsible for most of the government caused deaths in the 1900's and gang members are likely the cause of most of the murders now.  
Nearly everyone here has expressed that they desired a reduction of firearms, I say lead by example.  Have your lefty friends all turn in their guns, don't wait for government to tell you to.  Step up.

Or was that not what you wanted?

why do you insist on disarming only one group? why not, as halifax suggested, disarm all white men? they are the perps of most/all the mass shootings, right?

Definitely need to disarm the white Christian males

mcgruff10

just read this:  https://www.yahoo.com/gma/texas-shooting-suspects-phone-too-encrypted-access-now-181005096--abc-news-topstories.html

Texas shooting suspect escaped from mental health hospital in 2012, attempted 'to carry out death threats': Police report

Texas church shooting suspect and Air Force veteran Devin Kelley escaped from a New Mexico mental health hospital in 2012, according to an El Paso Police Department report, which also said he "was attempting to carry out death threats" that he "had made on his military chain of command."

A witness said Kelley "suffered from mental disorders and had plans to run from Peak Behavioral Health Services ... and take a bus out of state,” according to the report.

The report said Kelley had previously been caught sneaking firearms onto Hollaman Air Force Base where he served in New Mexico. The report also noted that Kelley was facing military criminal charges.

Kelley was located and did not resist or make any comments about harming himself or other officers, the report said, adding that he was released to Sunland Park police officers.

The Air Force official confirmed the details in the police report, including that Kelley was a danger to himself and others, faced military criminal charges, had been sneaking firearms onto Holloman Air Force Base and had made threats toward his chain of command. The official also confirmed the description from the person at the facility that Kelley "suffered from mental disorders."

Peak Behavioral Health said in a statement today, "We are deeply committed to providing the best patient care. We never discuss whether someone was or was not a patient at our hospital, and we never discuss any information about our patients. Preserving the confidentiality of this information is not only a matter of policy, it is federal and state law."

The facility added, "Our hearts go out to the victims of this horrible act and their families and friends, and like everyone else in Texas, we are doing everything we can to help the community in recovering and healing from this tragedy."

unsung

Bentleyspop said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

You are wrong.  I suggested disarming all leftists.  That would include the Communists like antifa, all of the Nazis, all illegal aliens, and most of the gang members.

Communism and Nazism were responsible for most of the government caused deaths in the 1900's and gang members are likely the cause of most of the murders now.  
Nearly everyone here has expressed that they desired a reduction of firearms, I say lead by example.  Have your lefty friends all turn in their guns, don't wait for government to tell you to.  Step up.

Or was that not what you wanted?

why do you insist on disarming only one group? why not, as halifax suggested, disarm all white men? they are the perps of most/all the mass shootings, right?

Definitely need to disarm the white Christian males

Give it your best shot.

Go Beavers

unsung said:

Bentleyspop said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

You are wrong.  I suggested disarming all leftists.  That would include the Communists like antifa, all of the Nazis, all illegal aliens, and most of the gang members.

Communism and Nazism were responsible for most of the government caused deaths in the 1900's and gang members are likely the cause of most of the murders now.  
Nearly everyone here has expressed that they desired a reduction of firearms, I say lead by example.  Have your lefty friends all turn in their guns, don't wait for government to tell you to.  Step up.

Or was that not what you wanted?

why do you insist on disarming only one group? why not, as halifax suggested, disarm all white men? they are the perps of most/all the mass shootings, right?

Definitely need to disarm the white Christian males

Give it your best shot.

It’s the moment you’ve been waiting for. 

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

Bentleyspop said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

You are wrong.  I suggested disarming all leftists.  That would include the Communists like antifa, all of the Nazis, all illegal aliens, and most of the gang members.

Communism and Nazism were responsible for most of the government caused deaths in the 1900's and gang members are likely the cause of most of the murders now.  
Nearly everyone here has expressed that they desired a reduction of firearms, I say lead by example.  Have your lefty friends all turn in their guns, don't wait for government to tell you to.  Step up.

Or was that not what you wanted?

why do you insist on disarming only one group? why not, as halifax suggested, disarm all white men? they are the perps of most/all the mass shootings, right?

Definitely need to disarm the white Christian males

Give it your best shot.

“From your cold dead fingers?” Okay Chuck.

tbergs

riley540 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

You are wrong.  I suggested disarming all leftists.  That would include the Communists like antifa, all of the Nazis, all illegal aliens, and most of the gang members.

Communism and Nazism were responsible for most of the government caused deaths in the 1900's and gang members are likely the cause of most of the murders now.  
Nearly everyone here has expressed that they desired a reduction of firearms, I say lead by example.  Have your lefty friends all turn in their guns, don't wait for government to tell you to.  Step up.

Or was that not what you wanted?

i don't know anyone who owns a semi-automatic gun. all i know of is people with hunting rifles. which i have zero problem with. 

nazis are not leftists. everyone knows this. 

Hunting rifles are semi - automatic. 

You bull the trigger and one bullet comes out. Non-semi auto guns have been banned since the 80s. 
hunting rifles, AKs, hand guns, ARs, they are all semi-automatic 

What hunting rifles are you referring to? It's been a while, but I don't remember any hunting rifle being semi auto. Yes, Handguns, Aks, ARs are all semi auto.

mcgruff10

tbergs said:

riley540 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

You are wrong.  I suggested disarming all leftists.  That would include the Communists like antifa, all of the Nazis, all illegal aliens, and most of the gang members.

Communism and Nazism were responsible for most of the government caused deaths in the 1900's and gang members are likely the cause of most of the murders now.  
Nearly everyone here has expressed that they desired a reduction of firearms, I say lead by example.  Have your lefty friends all turn in their guns, don't wait for government to tell you to.  Step up.

Or was that not what you wanted?

i don't know anyone who owns a semi-automatic gun. all i know of is people with hunting rifles. which i have zero problem with. 

nazis are not leftists. everyone knows this. 

Hunting rifles are semi - automatic. 

You bull the trigger and one bullet comes out. Non-semi auto guns have been banned since the 80s. 
hunting rifles, AKs, hand guns, ARs, they are all semi-automatic 

What hunting rifles are you referring to? It's been a while, but I don't remember any hunting rifle being semi auto. Yes, Handguns, Aks, ARs are all semi auto.

My shotguns are semi-automatic.  I personally don't use a semi-automatic rifle when hunting but I know people that do.  In fact many people use the m-1 garand (which I own and is semi-automatic) as a deer rifle.  

oftenreading

Ahhh, now it's all making more sense. I'm surprised I didn't clue in earlier. 

The claims of a certain poster here earlier today are just part of a string of alt right talking points made up of fabricated stories. When the purported antifa civil war didn't happen on Saturday the way they all said it would, they had to turn their minds to some other conspiracy. Making up details about the Texas shooter fit the bill. Right on cue!

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/nov/06/yournewswirecom/fake-news-no-proof-antifa-communism-compelled-texa/

Halifax2TheMax

Another responsible gun owner.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/07/maine-hunter-charged-in-shooting-death-on-first-day-of-deer-hunt

Halifax2TheMax

oftenreading said:

Ahhh, now it's all making more sense. I'm surprised I didn't clue in earlier. 

The claims of a certain poster here earlier today are just part of a string of alt right talking points made up of fabricated stories. When the purported antifa civil war didn't happen on Saturday the way they all said it would, they had to turn their minds to some other conspiracy. Making up details about the Texas shooter fit the bill. Right on cue!

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/nov/06/yournewswirecom/fake-news-no-proof-antifa-communism-compelled-texa/

Like 3D, D’ing, some are so gullible. And they own guns. Scary combination.
 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gun lovers- once again getting absolutely slaughtered in the gun control debate- have resorted to taunting with nothing else to go with.

Basically... 'na na na boo boo' when confronted with 'look at all other developed countries and the success they have had with gun legislation'... or any of the other quality points that are irrefutable.

Fortunately, for them, their country doesn't educate its citizens very well and kowtows to big business that preys on the 'uneducated' with fear tactics that promote their product and boost their profit margins- reducing the poor, helpless waifs to quivering bowls of jello hiding behind their doors: fearing a government takeover, home invasions, and young black men in hoodies drinking slurpees.

Even though they do (and spikes in sales following any public outcry indicate such)... they do not have to fear that the governments are taking their guns. This isn't happening so rest easy on that one!

PJPOWER

tbergs said:

riley540 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

You are wrong.  I suggested disarming all leftists.  That would include the Communists like antifa, all of the Nazis, all illegal aliens, and most of the gang members.

Communism and Nazism were responsible for most of the government caused deaths in the 1900's and gang members are likely the cause of most of the murders now.  
Nearly everyone here has expressed that they desired a reduction of firearms, I say lead by example.  Have your lefty friends all turn in their guns, don't wait for government to tell you to.  Step up.

Or was that not what you wanted?

i don't know anyone who owns a semi-automatic gun. all i know of is people with hunting rifles. which i have zero problem with. 

nazis are not leftists. everyone knows this. 

Hunting rifles are semi - automatic. 

You bull the trigger and one bullet comes out. Non-semi auto guns have been banned since the 80s. 
hunting rifles, AKs, hand guns, ARs, they are all semi-automatic 

What hunting rifles are you referring to? It's been a while, but I don't remember any hunting rifle being semi auto. Yes, Handguns, Aks, ARs are all semi auto.

The Browning BAR is the first one that comes to my mind.  One of the most populous hunting rifles ever:
http://www.browning.com/products/firearms/rifles/bar.html

mace1229

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gun lovers- once again getting absolutely slaughtered in the gun control debate- have resorted to taunting with nothing else to go with.

Basically... 'na na na boo boo' when confronted with 'look at all other developed countries and the success they have had with gun legislation'... or any of the other quality points that are irrefutable.

Fortunately, for them, their country doesn't educate its citizens very well and kowtows to big business that preys on the 'uneducated' with fear tactics that promote their product and boost their profit margins- reducing the poor, helpless waifs to quivering bowls of jello hiding behind their doors: fearing a government takeover, home invasions, and young black men in hoodies drinking slurpees.

Even though they do (and spikes in sales following any public outcry indicate such)... they do not have to fear that the governments are taking their guns. This isn't happening so rest easy on that one!

I've seen some good comments from the pro-gun side. I'd like to think I made some myself. I own guns, and am for gun control and limitations on what guns can do.
Unfortunately the quality comments largely go ignored, and it is the extreme views that are focused on and constantly brought back by engaging in conversation with comments that a lot, probably even majority, of gun owners would not agree with.
That type of behavior you described is partly the fault of the anti-gun side by purposefully inciting and engaging in conversation with the extreme views. I would make a comment about gun control that I think would be accepted by most gun owners and also be effective and I might get 1 response, maybe. While a statement of something like AR-15s aren't any more dangerous than your typical target practice .22 will get an entire page on this thread dedicated to it with all the responses which inevitably results in the back and forth that you described. . 

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gun lovers- once again getting absolutely slaughtered in the gun control debate- have resorted to taunting with nothing else to go with.

Basically... 'na na na boo boo' when confronted with 'look at all other developed countries and the success they have had with gun legislation'... or any of the other quality points that are irrefutable.

Fortunately, for them, their country doesn't educate its citizens very well and kowtows to big business that preys on the 'uneducated' with fear tactics that promote their product and boost their profit margins- reducing the poor, helpless waifs to quivering bowls of jello hiding behind their doors: fearing a government takeover, home invasions, and young black men in hoodies drinking slurpees.

Even though they do (and spikes in sales following any public outcry indicate such)... they do not have to fear that the governments are taking their guns. This isn't happening so rest easy on that one!

I wouldn't say gun lovers are getting slaughtered in any sort of debate; I'd say we are just having the same conversation for the 50th time.  You guys make your points and no matter what you don't change your mind and vice versa.  

I also disagree that we do not educate our citizens well; just because they have a different opinion than you doesn't mean our education system is bad.  

HughFreakingDillon

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gun lovers- once again getting absolutely slaughtered in the gun control debate- have resorted to taunting with nothing else to go with.

Basically... 'na na na boo boo' when confronted with 'look at all other developed countries and the success they have had with gun legislation'... or any of the other quality points that are irrefutable.

Fortunately, for them, their country doesn't educate its citizens very well and kowtows to big business that preys on the 'uneducated' with fear tactics that promote their product and boost their profit margins- reducing the poor, helpless waifs to quivering bowls of jello hiding behind their doors: fearing a government takeover, home invasions, and young black men in hoodies drinking slurpees.

Even though they do (and spikes in sales following any public outcry indicate such)... they do not have to fear that the governments are taking their guns. This isn't happening so rest easy on that one!

I wouldn't say gun lovers are getting slaughtered in any sort of debate; I'd say we are just having the same conversation for the 50th time.  You guys make your points and no matter what you don't change your mind and vice versa.  

I also disagree that we do not educate our citizens well; just because they have a different opinion than you doesn't mean our education system is bad.  

america is typically around the middle internationally in education levels. Canada ranks near the top. sorry, but those are the facts. no one is saying americans are stupid. but your education system lags behind. 

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gun lovers- once again getting absolutely slaughtered in the gun control debate- have resorted to taunting with nothing else to go with.

Basically... 'na na na boo boo' when confronted with 'look at all other developed countries and the success they have had with gun legislation'... or any of the other quality points that are irrefutable.

Fortunately, for them, their country doesn't educate its citizens very well and kowtows to big business that preys on the 'uneducated' with fear tactics that promote their product and boost their profit margins- reducing the poor, helpless waifs to quivering bowls of jello hiding behind their doors: fearing a government takeover, home invasions, and young black men in hoodies drinking slurpees.

Even though they do (and spikes in sales following any public outcry indicate such)... they do not have to fear that the governments are taking their guns. This isn't happening so rest easy on that one!

I've seen some good comments from the pro-gun side. I'd like to think I made some myself. I own guns, and am for gun control and limitations on what guns can do.
Unfortunately the quality comments largely go ignored, and it is the extreme views that are focused on and constantly brought back by engaging in conversation with comments that a lot, probably even majority, of gun owners would not agree with.
That type of behavior you described is partly the fault of the anti-gun side by purposefully inciting and engaging in conversation with the extreme views. I would make a comment about gun control that I think would be accepted by most gun owners and also be effective and I might get 1 response, maybe. While a statement of something like AR-15s aren't any more dangerous than your typical target practice .22 will get an entire page on this thread dedicated to it with all the responses which inevitably results in the back and forth that you described. . 

it's just an endless barrage of self-affirming articles and talking points. I asked if anyone had any meaningful suggestions, and so did someone else, and nothing. from either side. I even posted an article that showed that it is not actually a mental health problem. nothing. zero. people just want to keep writing it off as "crazies" and "gun nuts". when it's neither. it's multi-faceted, and no one wants to address it. 

mcgruff10

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gun lovers- once again getting absolutely slaughtered in the gun control debate- have resorted to taunting with nothing else to go with.

Basically... 'na na na boo boo' when confronted with 'look at all other developed countries and the success they have had with gun legislation'... or any of the other quality points that are irrefutable.

Fortunately, for them, their country doesn't educate its citizens very well and kowtows to big business that preys on the 'uneducated' with fear tactics that promote their product and boost their profit margins- reducing the poor, helpless waifs to quivering bowls of jello hiding behind their doors: fearing a government takeover, home invasions, and young black men in hoodies drinking slurpees.

Even though they do (and spikes in sales following any public outcry indicate such)... they do not have to fear that the governments are taking their guns. This isn't happening so rest easy on that one!

I wouldn't say gun lovers are getting slaughtered in any sort of debate; I'd say we are just having the same conversation for the 50th time.  You guys make your points and no matter what you don't change your mind and vice versa.  

I also disagree that we do not educate our citizens well; just because they have a different opinion than you doesn't mean our education system is bad.  

america is typically around the middle internationally in education levels. Canada ranks near the top. sorry, but those are the facts. no one is saying americans are stupid. but your education system lags behind. 

You have to examine and compare the curriculum. Many countries go in depth on fewer topics where we try to cram everything in on more topics and just scratch the surface. 

Bentleyspop

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gun lovers- once again getting absolutely slaughtered in the gun control debate- have resorted to taunting with nothing else to go with.

Basically... 'na na na boo boo' when confronted with 'look at all other developed countries and the success they have had with gun legislation'... or any of the other quality points that are irrefutable.

Fortunately, for them, their country doesn't educate its citizens very well and kowtows to big business that preys on the 'uneducated' with fear tactics that promote their product and boost their profit margins- reducing the poor, helpless waifs to quivering bowls of jello hiding behind their doors: fearing a government takeover, home invasions, and young black men in hoodies drinking slurpees.

Even though they do (and spikes in sales following any public outcry indicate such)... they do not have to fear that the governments are taking their guns. This isn't happening so rest easy on that one!

I wouldn't say gun lovers are getting slaughtered in any sort of debate; I'd say we are just having the same conversation for the 50th time.  You guys make your points and no matter what you don't change your mind and vice versa.  

I also disagree that we do not educate our citizens well; just because they have a different opinion than you doesn't mean our education system is bad.  

america is typically around the middle internationally in education levels. Canada ranks near the top. sorry, but those are the facts. no one is saying americans are stupid. but your education system lags behind. 

You have to examine and compare the curriculum. Many countries go in depth on fewer topics where we try to cram everything in on more topics and just scratch the surface. 

Not to mention all the "Teaching To The test"

mace1229

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gun lovers- once again getting absolutely slaughtered in the gun control debate- have resorted to taunting with nothing else to go with.

Basically... 'na na na boo boo' when confronted with 'look at all other developed countries and the success they have had with gun legislation'... or any of the other quality points that are irrefutable.

Fortunately, for them, their country doesn't educate its citizens very well and kowtows to big business that preys on the 'uneducated' with fear tactics that promote their product and boost their profit margins- reducing the poor, helpless waifs to quivering bowls of jello hiding behind their doors: fearing a government takeover, home invasions, and young black men in hoodies drinking slurpees.

Even though they do (and spikes in sales following any public outcry indicate such)... they do not have to fear that the governments are taking their guns. This isn't happening so rest easy on that one!

I wouldn't say gun lovers are getting slaughtered in any sort of debate; I'd say we are just having the same conversation for the 50th time.  You guys make your points and no matter what you don't change your mind and vice versa.  

I also disagree that we do not educate our citizens well; just because they have a different opinion than you doesn't mean our education system is bad.  

america is typically around the middle internationally in education levels. Canada ranks near the top. sorry, but those are the facts. no one is saying americans are stupid. but your education system lags behind. 

You have to examine and compare the curriculum. Many countries go in depth on fewer topics where we try to cram everything in on more topics and just scratch the surface. 

Education system should be (and probably already is) a whole new thread.
Scores are everything right now. And the crappy part is, low income schools and teachers get the shaft even when it isn't their fault. 
I've worked at a school in LA where a lot of the kids were not born in this country, but were expected to perform at the same level as their peers even though they speak little or no English. The school is penalized and even shut down when students don't perform at the state level, even though 70% of the school English was the second language.
It gets so bad a school I worked at stopped teacher geometry because that is consistently the lowest tested math class. So the solution as just don't teach it.
The solution to bring up science scores was to make students take biology 2 years in a row. Except the second year was just called Marine Biology so it counted as a second science class on transcripts, even though it had the same standards and test.
I know it is different everywhere, but my experience has been with minorities in LA. They move into this country and they are just thrown into a grade based on their age, even though they made be 5 years behind and not even know the language. I'm not blaming minorities for coming here, I'm just saying they just get thrown into the mix and the school/teachers are blamed when a 14 year old who doesn't know English gets placed in 9th grade even though he's at a 4th grade education from Central America. Then the teacher is blamed when they don't pass or they have low state scores. So the entire school is taught at the level of the lowest performers to try to get as many to pass.