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America's Gun Violence

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,675
    The economy is an issue when it's bad,  not when it's good.  
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    To gun violence...

    I feel that the psychological concept of 'relative deprivation' has something to do with the senseless slaughters in the USA.

    It's a by-product of the capitalistic society coupled with the consumer driven mentality. When some guy finally figures out that he's been left out in the rain- no friends, no great future, no girls, no sweet materialistic objects that tend to define someone- they lash out and express their frustration/rage.

    It's not the simple answer to the complex problem that plagues the States, but it is part of the answer. The USA (in my mind) is beginning to resemble the perfect storm: among many things... a growing divide, disenfranchised people, a massive wealth disparity, and very accessible weapons.

    Eesh.
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,419
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    All those poor turtles I jumped on when I was a kid. Damn video games!
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    Yup, just another “responsible” gun owner reacting “normally” to being pulled over. Clearly, the solution is more guns for everyone. 

    Footage shows Texas man pointing gun at officer before being shot to death - Fox News https://apple.news/AnuhGM9ShTGulR1tsEP6Iww
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,905
    Seriously what happened to america?  my dad tells me stories of walking into hardware shops in the 50's and 60s and seeing hundreds of military ww2 surplus weapons for sale for literally less than $20 a pop with zero background check. "you over 18?  yeah.  cool, enjoy this (insert military surplus rifle from ww2)."  I mean these weapons were apart of the most destructive war in history and there wasn't any of the mass shootings that we see today.  and yes some of those were semi-automatic with high capacity mags.  what the heck happened to america?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    mcgruff10 said:
    Seriously what happened to america?  my dad tells me stories of walking into hardware shops in the 50's and 60s and seeing hundreds of military ww2 surplus weapons for sale for literally less than $20 a pop with zero background check. "you over 18?  yeah.  cool, enjoy this (insert military surplus rifle from ww2)."  I mean these weapons were apart of the most destructive war in history and there wasn't any of the mass shootings that we see today.  and yes some of those were semi-automatic with high capacity mags.  what the heck happened to america?
    The NRA sold everyone on the concept of fear. Back then, nobody bought them. Everyone used to leave their back door unlocked, remember? Now? Everyone is a threat. Just ask Unsung.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    And again, clearly the answer is more guns so when you abuse your dog, you can get shot in the back of the head. You know, because the armed citizen cares about the unborn or some stupidity.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,905
    mcgruff10 said:
    Seriously what happened to america?  my dad tells me stories of walking into hardware shops in the 50's and 60s and seeing hundreds of military ww2 surplus weapons for sale for literally less than $20 a pop with zero background check. "you over 18?  yeah.  cool, enjoy this (insert military surplus rifle from ww2)."  I mean these weapons were apart of the most destructive war in history and there wasn't any of the mass shootings that we see today.  and yes some of those were semi-automatic with high capacity mags.  what the heck happened to america?
    The NRA sold everyone on the concept of fear. Back then, nobody bought them. Everyone used to leave their back door unlocked, remember? Now? Everyone is a threat. Just ask Unsung.
    They definitely bought them bud. Hardware stores, sears catalogues, you name it.  My uncle had a grease gun from ww2 and a freaking bazooka lol and didn't blowup shit.  seriously, what happened?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Seriously what happened to america?  my dad tells me stories of walking into hardware shops in the 50's and 60s and seeing hundreds of military ww2 surplus weapons for sale for literally less than $20 a pop with zero background check. "you over 18?  yeah.  cool, enjoy this (insert military surplus rifle from ww2)."  I mean these weapons were apart of the most destructive war in history and there wasn't any of the mass shootings that we see today.  and yes some of those were semi-automatic with high capacity mags.  what the heck happened to america?
    The NRA sold everyone on the concept of fear. Back then, nobody bought them. Everyone used to leave their back door unlocked, remember? Now? Everyone is a threat. Just ask Unsung.
    They definitely bought them bud. Hardware stores, sears catalogues, you name it.  My uncle had a grease gun from ww2 and a freaking bazooka lol and didn't blowup shit.  seriously, what happened?
    Did Vegas have gun shows back then? Was gun ownership promoted? No, it was like religion, nobody’s fucking business. Now? You need it and if you don’t have it you’ll perish and your weak. For Christ sake the dog whistle of being “tactical” is sold with sunglasses, with camoed white people in the desert needing to be “tactical” so they can “see” the enemy. For fucking sunglasses. And that’s on straight cable, basic plan. I can’t begin to imagine watching Faux and friends and “the dark web,” like Unsung. And you wonder what’s changed?
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:
    Seriously what happened to america?  my dad tells me stories of walking into hardware shops in the 50's and 60s and seeing hundreds of military ww2 surplus weapons for sale for literally less than $20 a pop with zero background check. "you over 18?  yeah.  cool, enjoy this (insert military surplus rifle from ww2)."  I mean these weapons were apart of the most destructive war in history and there wasn't any of the mass shootings that we see today.  and yes some of those were semi-automatic with high capacity mags.  what the heck happened to america?
    A huge percentage of that generation blew off steam by beating on their wives and kids, and they avoided the steam-buildup in the first place by ignoring their wives and kids altogether.
    Not worse for sure, maybe better.
    Definitely different.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,905
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Seriously what happened to america?  my dad tells me stories of walking into hardware shops in the 50's and 60s and seeing hundreds of military ww2 surplus weapons for sale for literally less than $20 a pop with zero background check. "you over 18?  yeah.  cool, enjoy this (insert military surplus rifle from ww2)."  I mean these weapons were apart of the most destructive war in history and there wasn't any of the mass shootings that we see today.  and yes some of those were semi-automatic with high capacity mags.  what the heck happened to america?
    A huge percentage of that generation blew off steam by beating on their wives and kids, and they avoided the steam-buildup in the first place by ignoring their wives and kids altogether.
    Not worse for sure, maybe better.
    Definitely different.
    Was domestic abuse higher then?  I honestly have no clue.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,905

    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Seriously what happened to america?  my dad tells me stories of walking into hardware shops in the 50's and 60s and seeing hundreds of military ww2 surplus weapons for sale for literally less than $20 a pop with zero background check. "you over 18?  yeah.  cool, enjoy this (insert military surplus rifle from ww2)."  I mean these weapons were apart of the most destructive war in history and there wasn't any of the mass shootings that we see today.  and yes some of those were semi-automatic with high capacity mags.  what the heck happened to america?
    The NRA sold everyone on the concept of fear. Back then, nobody bought them. Everyone used to leave their back door unlocked, remember? Now? Everyone is a threat. Just ask Unsung.
    They definitely bought them bud. Hardware stores, sears catalogues, you name it.  My uncle had a grease gun from ww2 and a freaking bazooka lol and didn't blowup shit.  seriously, what happened?
    Did Vegas have gun shows back then? Was gun ownership promoted? No, it was like religion, nobody’s fucking business. Now? You need it and if you don’t have it you’ll perish and your weak. For Christ sake the dog whistle of being “tactical” is sold with sunglasses, with camoed white people in the desert needing to be “tactical” so they can “see” the enemy. For fucking sunglasses. And that’s on straight cable, basic plan. I can’t begin to imagine watching Faux and friends and “the dark web,” like Unsung. And you wonder what’s changed?
    All solid points, I never looked at it that way.  I think you are definitely on to something.  The only "tactical" thing I own is a flashlight; you shine that in someones eyes and they are blind!
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    ConorKavanaghConorKavanagh Ireland Posts: 1,148
    I just got back from a couple of weeks in the U.S yesterday and I can honestly say, it was on my mind the entire time that I was there, someone could walk into this place and open fire. I'm so relieved that I live in a country where there's not a very high level of gun violence or ownership.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,905
    I just got back from a couple of weeks in the U.S yesterday and I can honestly say, it was on my mind the entire time that I was there, someone could walk into this place and open fire. I'm so relieved that I live in a country where there's not a very high level of gun violence or ownership.
    Were you hanging out in flint, Michigan and Compton?  
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    All those poor turtles I jumped on when I was a kid. Damn video games!
    Stop being sarcastic...
    I stand behind the children!
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/31/florida-high-school-students-walk-out-guns-second-amendment/475486002/
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,905
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    All those poor turtles I jumped on when I was a kid. Damn video games!
    Stop being sarcastic...
    I stand behind the children!
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/31/florida-high-school-students-walk-out-guns-second-amendment/475486002/
    good for those kids!  
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    All those poor turtles I jumped on when I was a kid. Damn video games!
    Stop being sarcastic...
    I stand behind the children!
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/31/florida-high-school-students-walk-out-guns-second-amendment/475486002/
    good for those kids!  
    Yep, I totally support children using the 1st amendment to stand up for the 2nd.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,675
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    All those poor turtles I jumped on when I was a kid. Damn video games!
    Stop being sarcastic...
    I stand behind the children!
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/31/florida-high-school-students-walk-out-guns-second-amendment/475486002/
    good for those kids!  
    Yep, I totally support children using the 1st amendment to stand up for the 2nd.
    Not me, I bet at least one of them didn't know what they were demonstrating for, ergo none of them did.  In fact, I'm calling the superintendent later today, on Easter, to lay into him (it better be a "him", not one of the infinite number of "genders").
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    All those poor turtles I jumped on when I was a kid. Damn video games!
    Stop being sarcastic...
    I stand behind the children!
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/31/florida-high-school-students-walk-out-guns-second-amendment/475486002/
    good for those kids!  
    Yep, I totally support children using the 1st amendment to stand up for the 2nd.
    Not me, I bet at least one of them didn't know what they were demonstrating for, ergo none of them did.  In fact, I'm calling the superintendent later today, on Easter, to lay into him (it better be a "him", not one of the infinite number of "genders").
    Lol, I’m sure you will get the respect that a person of apposing opinions always gets ;)

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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Seriously what happened to america?  my dad tells me stories of walking into hardware shops in the 50's and 60s and seeing hundreds of military ww2 surplus weapons for sale for literally less than $20 a pop with zero background check. "you over 18?  yeah.  cool, enjoy this (insert military surplus rifle from ww2)."  I mean these weapons were apart of the most destructive war in history and there wasn't any of the mass shootings that we see today.  and yes some of those were semi-automatic with high capacity mags.  what the heck happened to america?
    The NRA sold everyone on the concept of fear. Back then, nobody bought them. Everyone used to leave their back door unlocked, remember? Now? Everyone is a threat. Just ask Unsung.
    They definitely bought them bud. Hardware stores, sears catalogues, you name it.  My uncle had a grease gun from ww2 and a freaking bazooka lol and didn't blowup shit.  seriously, what happened?
    Did Vegas have gun shows back then? Was gun ownership promoted? No, it was like religion, nobody’s fucking business. Now? You need it and if you don’t have it you’ll perish and your weak. For Christ sake the dog whistle of being “tactical” is sold with sunglasses, with camoed white people in the desert needing to be “tactical” so they can “see” the enemy. For fucking sunglasses. And that’s on straight cable, basic plan. I can’t begin to imagine watching Faux and friends and “the dark web,” like Unsung. And you wonder what’s changed?
    These are excellent points
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    To gun violence...

    I feel that the psychological concept of 'relative deprivation' has something to do with the senseless slaughters in the USA.

    It's a by-product of the capitalistic society coupled with the consumer driven mentality. When some guy finally figures out that he's been left out in the rain- no friends, no great future, no girls, no sweet materialistic objects that tend to define someone- they lash out and express their frustration/rage.

    It's not the simple answer to the complex problem that plagues the States, but it is part of the answer. The USA (in my mind) is beginning to resemble the perfect storm: among many things... a growing divide, disenfranchised people, a massive wealth disparity, and very accessible weapons.

    Eesh.
    I think these are also excellent points
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,419
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    All those poor turtles I jumped on when I was a kid. Damn video games!
    Stop being sarcastic...
    I stand behind the children!
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/31/florida-high-school-students-walk-out-guns-second-amendment/475486002/
    No sarcasm intended, bud.
    Good for those children exercising their 1A rights. I don't agree with them, but they are exercising their rights peacefully without ill intent or fearmongering toward their peers.
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    dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 20,827
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    All those poor turtles I jumped on when I was a kid. Damn video games!
    Stop being sarcastic...
    I stand behind the children!
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/31/florida-high-school-students-walk-out-guns-second-amendment/475486002/
    No sarcasm intended, bud.
    Good for those children exercising their 1A rights. I don't agree with them, but they are exercising their rights peacefully without ill intent or fearmongering toward their peers.
    Their heart looks like a butt. 


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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,247
    dankind said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    All those poor turtles I jumped on when I was a kid. Damn video games!
    Stop being sarcastic...
    I stand behind the children!
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/31/florida-high-school-students-walk-out-guns-second-amendment/475486002/
    No sarcasm intended, bud.
    Good for those children exercising their 1A rights. I don't agree with them, but they are exercising their rights peacefully without ill intent or fearmongering toward their peers.
    Their heart looks like a butt. 


    Isn't this when someone from the 2nd amendment side points out the irony of the girl wearing the Selena shirt during the protest and some smear campaign is started at infolies and the gateway pungent? I remember the recent smearing of the other side for their shirt selection. Selective concern once again.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    Anyone here think the “responsible” gun owner will do any jail time? Or just another “tragedy?” Hope and prayers.

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    dudemandudeman Posts: 2,983
    Has anyone on here ever argued that negligence by parents that results in a kid getting their hands on a gun not be met with prosecution?

    I haven't seen that. Those parents, or parent if single, should absolutely face charges. 

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone on here ever argued that negligence by parents that results in a kid getting their hands on a gun not be met with prosecution?

    I haven't seen that. Those parents, or parent if single, should absolutely face charges. 

    But they rarely do. If they did, there'd be a whole bunch more "responsible" gun owners in prison. Ususally, its, "they've suffered enough." Thank the NRA.
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    dudemandudeman Posts: 2,983
    This is where "enforce existing laws" comes in.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    dudeman said:
    This is where "enforce existing laws" comes in.
    Safe storage laws are few and far between. Can’t enforce what’s not on the books.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,059
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone on here ever argued that negligence by parents that results in a kid getting their hands on a gun not be met with prosecution?

    I haven't seen that. Those parents, or parent if single, should absolutely face charges. 

    That was a big topic for a concealed weapons class in Florida in that you MUST keep your firearm(s) secured or result in prosecution.

    I agree with that you never see charges brought forth on this if it does happen.
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