America's Gun Violence

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    We are talking about gun shows and their tendancy toward catering to extremists.
    It's relevant.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,675
    edited September 2017
    There is nothing weird about a WWII buff having some Nazi artifacts in their WWII collection. There IS something very weird about some gun nut buying Nazi crap because he thinks it's awesome (and I think there is probably a large number of people like that). Same goes for Confederate stuff. Context is everything.
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    PJ_Soul said:
    There is nothing weird about a WWII buff having some Nazi artifacts in their WWII collection. There IS something very weird about some gun nut buying Nazi crap because he thinks it's awesome (and I think there is probably a large number of people like that). Same goes for Confederate stuff. Context is everything.
    I agree with the first part of your comment. The second is just speculation and labeling. I'm sure there are plenty of non gun nut Nazi lovers and sympathisers.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,675
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    There is nothing weird about a WWII buff having some Nazi artifacts in their WWII collection. There IS something very weird about some gun nut buying Nazi crap because he thinks it's awesome (and I think there is probably a large number of people like that). Same goes for Confederate stuff. Context is everything.
    I agree with the first part of your comment. The second is just speculation and labeling. I'm sure there are plenty of non gun nut Nazi lovers and sympathisers.
    My comment doesn't exclude all the non-gun nuts who are Nazi lovers. Of course there are also neo-nazis and sympathizers who aren't gun nuts.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    CM189191 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    I remember being at a gun show in the 80s and there was all this nazi memorabilia. Kind of creepy when I think about it now.  
    I'm sure it's a totally different crowd that attends gun shows nowadays.  


    Where's Waldo? 
    Don't you mean where's Eric and Dylan?
    The TEC-DC9 9-mm semi-automatic handgun!

    It's tough to argue against them given how much practicality they offer the American average joe.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,118
    mace1229 said:
    Yes. Many WWII collectors will collect items from USA< England, Russia and even Germany. I see nothing wrong with that if it is being collected as a historical artifact. I personally wouldnt care to own anything connected to Nazi, but if it is for a historical WWII collection I dont see anything wrong with it.
    Yeah I have ww2 weapons from Russia, England, Germany and USA.  I also have a few bring home items that are German: belt buckles, pins, bayonets and a rifle. Kind of weird knowing that an actually nazi fighting my grandfather held these but i appreciate it because it is a huge piece of world history. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,118
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    CM189191 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    I remember being at a gun show in the 80s and there was all this nazi memorabilia. Kind of creepy when I think about it now.  
    I'm sure it's a totally different crowd that attends gun shows nowadays.  


    Where's Waldo? 
    Don't you mean where's Eric and Dylan?
    The TEC-DC9 9-mm semi-automatic handgun!

    It's tough to argue against them given how much practicality they offer the American average joe.
    No reason for that weapon to exist. You can't hunt with it and I sure as hell wouldn't defend my family with that piece of crap. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mcgruff10 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    CM189191 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    I remember being at a gun show in the 80s and there was all this nazi memorabilia. Kind of creepy when I think about it now.  
    I'm sure it's a totally different crowd that attends gun shows nowadays.  


    Where's Waldo? 
    Don't you mean where's Eric and Dylan?
    The TEC-DC9 9-mm semi-automatic handgun!

    It's tough to argue against them given how much practicality they offer the American average joe.
    No reason for that weapon to exist. You can't hunt with it and I sure as hell wouldn't defend my family with that piece of crap. 

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,245
    I'm waiting for the NRA to come out in support of weaponized drones. 3-6 shot versions to start with and then high capacity ones after they've convinced everyone it's your second amendment right.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Worth noting that German soldier is not necessarily synonymous with Nazi, and when you are talking about memorabilia, the difference is significant.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,118
    rgambs said:
    Worth noting that German soldier is not necessarily synonymous with Nazi, and when you are talking about memorabilia, the difference is significant.
    correct, big difference.  I would never in a million years own anything from the SS.  
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    I don't know.

    My buddy had a German knife given to him by his grandfather who served. It was an interesting piece. It sparked conversation every time he displayed it to us. He never bragged about it and was the farthest thing from a Nazi as one could be.

    It was just a piece of history for him. The knife carried much significance in a few areas. We never felt it was weird or wrong. 
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  • mcgruff10
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    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    Along with your Obama signed Koran? Sure.
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  • CM189191
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    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,118
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    Along with your Obama signed Koran? Sure.
    What are you talking about?  
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,118
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    edited September 2017
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    CM189191 said:
    Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum.  Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.  
    This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read.  Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own?  I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it? 
    jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too. 

    Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me. 
    Take off the blinders bud!  History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again. 

    And thus, the "museum" suggestion....

    Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
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