Dishonorable discharged from the military = loss of gun rights. I guess he missed that rule.
Shooting stopped by a neighbor who got his own rifle apparently.
Pastor should have been armed with an AR-15....think of how many more lives could have been saved.
Interesting you say that. The pastor didn't have a firearm but a citizen in the community did have a legally owned firearm and confronted the shooter. Authorities say the law abiding citizen probable prevented a lot more deaths.
Interesting you say that. Imagine if the perp didn't have access to an AR-15, I wonder how many lives could have been saved by the neighbor given it would have taken longer to cause such carnage.
He was already banned from owning firearms, he did not have legal access.
Dishonorable discharged from the military = loss of gun rights. I guess he missed that rule.
Shooting stopped by a neighbor who got his own rifle apparently.
Pastor should have been armed with an AR-15....think of how many more lives could have been saved.
Interesting you say that. The pastor didn't have a firearm but a citizen in the community did have a legally owned firearm and confronted the shooter. Authorities say the law abiding citizen probable prevented a lot more deaths.
Interesting you say that. Imagine if the perp didn't have access to an AR-15, I wonder how many lives could have been saved by the neighbor given it would have taken longer to cause such carnage.
He was already banned from owning firearms, he did not have legal access.
In April 2016, Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle he allegedly used in the shooting from a store in San Antonio, Texas, a law enforcement official said. There was no disqualifying information in the background check conducted as required for the purchase, a law enforcement official told CNN.
Yeah yeah good guy with gun stops bad guy with gun ok so the answer has to be the more citizens armed the safer we would all be ok got it , hey let's all meet back here again in about a month or so to talk about the next massacre that's on the docket to happen cause we all know it will ...
Dishonorable discharged from the military = loss of gun rights. I guess he missed that rule.
Shooting stopped by a neighbor who got his own rifle apparently.
Pastor should have been armed with an AR-15....think of how many more lives could have been saved.
Interesting you say that. The pastor didn't have a firearm but a citizen in the community did have a legally owned firearm and confronted the shooter. Authorities say the law abiding citizen probable prevented a lot more deaths.
Interesting you say that. Imagine if the perp didn't have access to an AR-15, I wonder how many lives could have been saved by the neighbor given it would have taken longer to cause such carnage.
He was already banned from owning firearms, he did not have legal access.
In April 2016, Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle he allegedly used in the shooting from a store in San Antonio, Texas, a law enforcement official said. There was no disqualifying information in the background check conducted as required for the purchase, a law enforcement official told CNN.
Dishonorable discharged from the military = loss of gun rights. I guess he missed that rule.
Shooting stopped by a neighbor who got his own rifle apparently.
Pastor should have been armed with an AR-15....think of how many more lives could have been saved.
Interesting you say that. The pastor didn't have a firearm but a citizen in the community did have a legally owned firearm and confronted the shooter. Authorities say the law abiding citizen probable prevented a lot more deaths.
Interesting you say that. Imagine if the perp didn't have access to an AR-15, I wonder how many lives could have been saved by the neighbor given it would have taken longer to cause such carnage.
He was already banned from owning firearms, he did not have legal access.
In April 2016, Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle he allegedly used in the shooting from a store in San Antonio, Texas, a law enforcement official said. There was no disqualifying information in the background check conducted as required for the purchase, a law enforcement official told CNN.
Dishonorable discharged from the military = loss of gun rights. I guess he missed that rule.
Shooting stopped by a neighbor who got his own rifle apparently.
Pastor should have been armed with an AR-15....think of how many more lives could have been saved.
Interesting you say that. The pastor didn't have a firearm but a citizen in the community did have a legally owned firearm and confronted the shooter. Authorities say the law abiding citizen probable prevented a lot more deaths.
Interesting you say that. Imagine if the perp didn't have access to an AR-15, I wonder how many lives could have been saved by the neighbor given it would have taken longer to cause such carnage.
He was already banned from owning firearms, he did not have legal access.
In April 2016, Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle he allegedly used in the shooting from a store in San Antonio, Texas, a law enforcement official said. There was no disqualifying information in the background check conducted as required for the purchase, a law enforcement official told CNN.
Nothing to do about it like I said let's all meet here again about a month from today to talk about the next one these events seem to happen about a month or two apart , do you think the wall would help or the Muslim ban ?
"Ask yourself - how can you claim that you respect human life while choosing fealty to weapons-makers over support for measures favored by the vast majority of your constituents"
"Ask yourself - how can you claim that you respect human life while choosing fealty to weapons-makers over support for measures favored by the vast majority of your constituents"
Trump: "We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries. But this isn’t a guns situation," he said. "Fortunately somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction."
I'm not surprised by his response, but why does he have to qualify everything he says (when he says as do other countries)? And if other countries have a lot of mental health problems too... why do they not have mass shootings as well?
Everyone knows the answer to this unless they are willfully ignorant or just a flat out moron. So if you are resisting meaningful change at this point... quite frankly... it's because you love your cool looking weapon more than you love the idea of safeguarding church goers or school children or movie watchers or concert watchers or...
Concerts and churches seem to be the new target of choice for these events. College and school shootings are starting to decrease because of the safeguards being taken to make it more difficult and limit casualties. It took almost 2 decades to get to the point schools are at, so what steps are even feasible for a concert or church? Obviously no one is going to address the gun issue, so we better start coming up with defensive solutions.
Churches will need to adopt the run, hide, fight approach. Mandatory viewing for entire congregations.
After that shooters can move on to grocery stores and shopping centers. Maybe even state and county fairs. The possibilities are endless!
Concerts and churches seem to be the new target of choice for these events. College and school shootings are starting to decrease because of the safeguards being taken to make it more difficult and limit casualties. It took almost 2 decades to get to the point schools are at, so what steps are even feasible for a concert or church? Obviously no one is going to address the gun issue, so we better start coming up with defensive solutions.
Churches will need to adopt the run, hide, fight approach. Mandatory viewing for entire congregations.
After that shooters can move on to grocery stores and shopping centers. Maybe even state and county fairs. The possibilities are endless!
I bet there's some mass shooter who's currently considered a responsible gun owner planning his church event right now and cussing this latest guy out: "For gawds sakes. You just had to go shoot up a church right before I was gonna go shoot up a church... didn't ya?"
I didn't understand after the Vegas shooting and still don't understand after this one. What is wrong with saying your "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims? Even the anti-gun liberals use that phrase. No one has ever said thoughts and prayers will solve everything or bring the dead back, and this forum is acting like that what every gun owners has said. I just don't get the attack on people using that phrase, especially since he's been said by pretty much everyone on both sides of the gun debate.
Seeing how Trump can assess someone’s mental state without examining them or being a trained, licensed professional, I guess we can take the assessments of Trump that have been offered by trained, licensed professionals at face value?
I didn't understand after the Vegas shooting and still don't understand after this one. What is wrong with saying your "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims? Even the anti-gun liberals use that phrase. No one has ever said thoughts and prayers will solve everything or bring the dead back, and this forum is acting like that what every gun owners has said. I just don't get the attack on people using that phrase, especially since he's been said by pretty much everyone on both sides of the gun debate.
It is an empty and meaningless gesture that makes people feel absolved of the obligation to actually do something that has an effect on the real world. In a case like this, where the people who were killed were actively worshipping and praying at their time of death, it rings extra hollow. Frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence and dignity of the human race.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-church-shooting/index.html
Gun owners kill people
There will always be bad people. Now what?
And remember to say "thoughts AND prayers".
There is absolutely nothing else that can be done.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/
http://www.abc15.com/news/data/mass-shootings-in-the-u-s-over-270-mass-shootings-have-occurred-in-2017
https://amp.businessinsider.com/chris-murphy-texas-church-shooting-sutherland-springs-2017-11
I'm not surprised by his response, but why does he have to qualify everything he says (when he says as do other countries)? And if other countries have a lot of mental health problems too... why do they not have mass shootings as well?
Everyone knows the answer to this unless they are willfully ignorant or just a flat out moron. So if you are resisting meaningful change at this point... quite frankly... it's because you love your cool looking weapon more than you love the idea of safeguarding church goers or school children or movie watchers or concert watchers or...
Churches will need to adopt the run, hide, fight approach. Mandatory viewing for entire congregations.
After that shooters can move on to grocery stores and shopping centers. Maybe even state and county fairs. The possibilities are endless!
I bet there's some mass shooter who's currently considered a responsible gun owner planning his church event right now and cussing this latest guy out: "For gawds sakes. You just had to go shoot up a church right before I was gonna go shoot up a church... didn't ya?"
So he was kicked out of our well-regulated militia, but still allowed to bear arms?
Even the anti-gun liberals use that phrase.
No one has ever said thoughts and prayers will solve everything or bring the dead back, and this forum is acting like that what every gun owners has said. I just don't get the attack on people using that phrase, especially since he's been said by pretty much everyone on both sides of the gun debate.
In a case like this, where the people who were killed were actively worshipping and praying at their time of death, it rings extra hollow. Frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence and dignity of the human race.