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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    Dishonorable discharged from the military = loss of gun rights.  I guess he missed that rule.

    Shooting stopped by a neighbor who got his own rifle apparently. 
    Pastor should have been armed with an AR-15....think of how many more lives could have been saved.
    Interesting you say that.  The pastor didn't have a firearm but a citizen in the community did have a legally owned firearm and confronted the shooter. Authorities say the law abiding citizen probable prevented a lot more deaths. 
    Interesting you say that. Imagine if the perp didn't have access to an AR-15,  I wonder how many lives could have been saved by the neighbor given it would have taken longer to cause such carnage.
    He was already banned from owning firearms, he did not have legal access.
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    i am praying this morning.  but somehow, no one has been brought back to life. what am i doing something wrong?
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    vaggar99 said:
    i am praying this morning.  but somehow, no one has been brought back to life. what am i doing something wrong?
    You forgot the thoughts. 
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    edited November 2017
    unsung said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    Dishonorable discharged from the military = loss of gun rights.  I guess he missed that rule.

    Shooting stopped by a neighbor who got his own rifle apparently. 
    Pastor should have been armed with an AR-15....think of how many more lives could have been saved.
    Interesting you say that.  The pastor didn't have a firearm but a citizen in the community did have a legally owned firearm and confronted the shooter. Authorities say the law abiding citizen probable prevented a lot more deaths. 
    Interesting you say that. Imagine if the perp didn't have access to an AR-15,  I wonder how many lives could have been saved by the neighbor given it would have taken longer to cause such carnage.
    He was already banned from owning firearms, he did not have legal access.
    In April 2016, Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle he allegedly used in the shooting from a store in San Antonio, Texas, a law enforcement official said. There was no disqualifying information in the background check conducted as required for the purchase, a law enforcement official told CNN.


    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-church-shooting/index.html
    Image result for Ruger AR-556


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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,310
    Yeah yeah good guy with gun stops bad guy with gun ok so the answer has to be the more citizens armed the safer we would all be ok got it , hey let's all meet back here again in about a month or so to talk about the next massacre that's on the docket to happen cause we all know it will ...
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,310
    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    Dishonorable discharged from the military = loss of gun rights.  I guess he missed that rule.

    Shooting stopped by a neighbor who got his own rifle apparently. 
    Pastor should have been armed with an AR-15....think of how many more lives could have been saved.
    Interesting you say that.  The pastor didn't have a firearm but a citizen in the community did have a legally owned firearm and confronted the shooter. Authorities say the law abiding citizen probable prevented a lot more deaths. 
    Interesting you say that. Imagine if the perp didn't have access to an AR-15,  I wonder how many lives could have been saved by the neighbor given it would have taken longer to cause such carnage.
    He was already banned from owning firearms, he did not have legal access.
    In April 2016, Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle he allegedly used in the shooting from a store in San Antonio, Texas, a law enforcement official said. There was no disqualifying information in the background check conducted as required for the purchase, a law enforcement official told CNN.


    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-church-shooting/index.html
    Image result for Ruger AR-556


    Great laws ha 
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,555
    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    Dishonorable discharged from the military = loss of gun rights.  I guess he missed that rule.

    Shooting stopped by a neighbor who got his own rifle apparently. 
    Pastor should have been armed with an AR-15....think of how many more lives could have been saved.
    Interesting you say that.  The pastor didn't have a firearm but a citizen in the community did have a legally owned firearm and confronted the shooter. Authorities say the law abiding citizen probable prevented a lot more deaths. 
    Interesting you say that. Imagine if the perp didn't have access to an AR-15,  I wonder how many lives could have been saved by the neighbor given it would have taken longer to cause such carnage.
    He was already banned from owning firearms, he did not have legal access.
    In April 2016, Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle he allegedly used in the shooting from a store in San Antonio, Texas, a law enforcement official said. There was no disqualifying information in the background check conducted as required for the purchase, a law enforcement official told CNN.


    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-church-shooting/index.html
    Image result for Ruger AR-556


    Guns  don't  kill people 

    Gun owners kill people
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    There will always be gun owners.  Now what?

    There will always be bad people.  Now what?
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,310
    unsung said:
    There will always be gun owners.  Now what?

    There will always be bad people.  Now what?

    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    Dishonorable discharged from the military = loss of gun rights.  I guess he missed that rule.

    Shooting stopped by a neighbor who got his own rifle apparently. 
    Pastor should have been armed with an AR-15....think of how many more lives could have been saved.
    Interesting you say that.  The pastor didn't have a firearm but a citizen in the community did have a legally owned firearm and confronted the shooter. Authorities say the law abiding citizen probable prevented a lot more deaths. 
    Interesting you say that. Imagine if the perp didn't have access to an AR-15,  I wonder how many lives could have been saved by the neighbor given it would have taken longer to cause such carnage.
    He was already banned from owning firearms, he did not have legal access.
    In April 2016, Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle he allegedly used in the shooting from a store in San Antonio, Texas, a law enforcement official said. There was no disqualifying information in the background check conducted as required for the purchase, a law enforcement official told CNN.


    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-church-shooting/index.html
    Image result for Ruger AR-556


    Great looking weapon no 
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,310
    unsung said:
    There will always be gun owners.  Now what?

    There will always be bad people.  Now what?
    Nothing to do about it like I said let's all meet here again about a month from today to talk about the next one these events seem to happen about a month or two apart , do you think the wall would help or the Muslim ban ? 
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    unsung said:
    There will always be gun owners.  Now what?

    There will always be bad people.  Now what?
    Take CPR and know your exits.

    And remember to say "thoughts AND prayers".

    There is absolutely nothing else that can be done.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    unsung said:
    There will always be gun owners.  Now what?

    There will always be bad people.  Now what?
    One of these we have the ability to regulate and legislate. The other we do not. 
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    There will always be gun owners.  Now what?

    There will always be bad people.  Now what?
    Take CPR and know your exits.

    And remember to say "thoughts AND prayers".

    There is absolutely nothing else that can be done.
    Oh, you forgot “troll on an online “mostly” liberal forum”  But after that...nothing can be done.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,310
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    There will always be gun owners.  Now what?

    There will always be bad people.  Now what?
    Take CPR and know your exits.

    And remember to say "thoughts AND prayers".

    There is absolutely nothing else that can be done.
    Oh, you forgot “troll on an online “mostly” liberal forum”  But after that...nothing can be done.
    Exactly will you be here to discuss the topic when the next one happens ...
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    "Ask yourself - how can you claim that you respect human life while choosing fealty to weapons-makers over support for measures favored by the vast majority of your constituents"

    https://amp.businessinsider.com/chris-murphy-texas-church-shooting-sutherland-springs-2017-11
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    CM189191 said:
    "Ask yourself - how can you claim that you respect human life while choosing fealty to weapons-makers over support for measures favored by the vast majority of your constituents"

    https://amp.businessinsider.com/chris-murphy-texas-church-shooting-sutherland-springs-2017-11
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    There will always be gun owners.  Now what?

    There will always be bad people.  Now what?
    Take CPR and know your exits.

    And remember to say "thoughts AND prayers".

    There is absolutely nothing else that can be done.
    Oh, you forgot “troll on an online “mostly” liberal forum”  But after that...nothing can be done.
    I guess if that's how you get your kicks.
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    Trump: "We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries. But this isn’t a guns situation," he said. "Fortunately somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction."

    I'm not surprised by his response, but why does he have to qualify everything he says (when he says as do other countries)? And if other countries have a lot of mental health problems too... why do they not have mass shootings as well?

    Everyone knows the answer to this unless they are willfully ignorant or just a flat out moron. So if you are resisting meaningful change at this point... quite frankly... it's because you love your cool looking weapon more than you love the idea of safeguarding church goers or school children or movie watchers or concert watchers or...
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,247
    Concerts and churches seem to be the new target of choice for these events. College and school shootings are starting to decrease because of the safeguards being taken to make it more difficult and limit casualties. It took almost 2 decades to get to the point schools are at, so what steps are even feasible for a concert or church? Obviously no one is going to address the gun issue, so we better start coming up with defensive solutions.

    Churches will need to adopt the run, hide, fight approach. Mandatory viewing for entire congregations.

    After that shooters can move on to grocery stores and shopping centers. Maybe even state and county fairs. The possibilities are endless!
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    tbergs said:
    Concerts and churches seem to be the new target of choice for these events. College and school shootings are starting to decrease because of the safeguards being taken to make it more difficult and limit casualties. It took almost 2 decades to get to the point schools are at, so what steps are even feasible for a concert or church? Obviously no one is going to address the gun issue, so we better start coming up with defensive solutions.

    Churches will need to adopt the run, hide, fight approach. Mandatory viewing for entire congregations.

    After that shooters can move on to grocery stores and shopping centers. Maybe even state and county fairs. The possibilities are endless!

    I bet there's some mass shooter who's currently considered a responsible gun owner planning his church event right now and cussing this latest guy out: "For gawds sakes. You just had to go shoot up a church right before I was gonna go shoot up a church... didn't ya?"
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793

    So he was kicked out of our well-regulated militia, but still allowed to bear arms?  
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    I hate to put the bad vibes out there, but I've been expecting a major sporting event to be a target soon. 
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    rgambs said:
    I hate to put the bad vibes out there, but I've been expecting a major sporting event to be a target soon. 
    Some people would tell you NFL has been under attack all season
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,016
    edited November 2017
    I didn't understand after the Vegas shooting and still don't understand after this one. What is wrong with saying your "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims?
    Even the anti-gun liberals use that phrase. 
    No one has ever said thoughts and prayers will solve everything or bring the dead back, and this forum is acting like that what every gun owners has said. I just don't get the attack on people using that phrase, especially since he's been said by pretty much everyone on both sides of the gun debate.
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    Seeing how Trump can assess someone’s mental state without examining them or being a trained, licensed professional, I guess we can take the assessments of Trump that have been offered by trained, licensed professionals at face value?
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    mace1229 said:
    I didn't understand after the Vegas shooting and still don't understand after this one. What is wrong with saying your "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims?
    Even the anti-gun liberals use that phrase. 
    No one has ever said thoughts and prayers will solve everything or bring the dead back, and this forum is acting like that what every gun owners has said. I just don't get the attack on people using that phrase, especially since he's been said by pretty much everyone on both sides of the gun debate.
    It is an empty and meaningless gesture that makes people feel absolved of the obligation to actually do something that has an effect on the real world.
    In a case like this, where the people who were killed were actively worshipping and praying at their time of death, it rings extra hollow.  Frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence and dignity of the human race.
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    unsung said:
    There will always be gun owners.  Now what?

    There will always be bad people.  Now what?
    Take CPR and know your exits.

    And remember to say "thoughts AND prayers".

    There is absolutely nothing else that can be done.
    Oh, you forgot “troll on an online “mostly” liberal forum”  But after that...nothing can be done.
    I guess if that's how you get your kicks.
    Surely there is a wizard out there that can make bad people and guns disappear...maybe we should call him?
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