America's Gun Violence

catefrances

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQMqWAiWPMs

catefrances

unsung said:

Given the amounts of Communists around and considering their recent actions I will never give up my firearms. I also don't go to areas where they will be but you never know where they are rioting in advance.

oh ok guess id better give you a headsup then so you can steer clear of the areas ill be in ... i shall be in the states of california, washington & alaska within the next 3 weeks... i havent filled all my days so there could be some rioting if i cant think of something else to amuse myself. may peace be upon you.

Gern Blansten

unsung said:

rgambs said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Given the amounts of Communists around and considering their recent actions I will never give up my firearms. I also don't go to areas where they will be but you never know where they are rioting in advance.

How are you getting internet access from 1954?

Hahaha good one!
It's getting hard to think Unsung is a real thing, like, there can't really be someone so wacky getting along successfully in life, can there?

LOL, despite your parasitic policies I am thriving. I opt out whatever I can even though I pay 50% of my income in taxes. Don't worry the freeloader train is coming to an end.

If you pay 50% you're doing it wrong.

rgambs

unsung said:

PJPOWER said:

Hope this doesn't initiate any temper tantrums around here!
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/02/foghorn/breaking-leaked-atf-memo-reveals-planned-pro-gun-moves/

I read that too. I'm not holding my breath, I would rather have the ATF abolished.

I think we need a well-regulated militia department.

unsung

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Given the amounts of Communists around and considering their recent actions I will never give up my firearms. I also don't go to areas where they will be but you never know where they are rioting in advance.

How are you getting internet access from 1954?

Hahaha good one!
It's getting hard to think Unsung is a real thing, like, there can't really be someone so wacky getting along successfully in life, can there?

LOL, despite your parasitic policies I am thriving. I opt out whatever I can even though I pay 50% of my income in taxes. Don't worry the freeloader train is coming to an end.

If you pay 50% you're doing it wrong.

If you figure all forms of taxation that you are forced to pay 50% might be on the low side.

HughFreakingDillon

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Given the amounts of Communists around and considering their recent actions I will never give up my firearms. I also don't go to areas where they will be but you never know where they are rioting in advance.

How are you getting internet access from 1954?

rssesq

rgambs said:

rssesq said:

More anti-Semitism from the esteemed lawyer!

OK, I get it, America's greatest ally, the right Honorable Winston Churchill was a KNOWN anti-Semite. First time I ever heard that. Never heard it getting a BA in Poly Sci with a minor in history, not when I received an MA in international rela, nor when I attained a Doctorate in Jurisprudence from a private Northeast Uni. And guess who authored and published 90% of those ABSURDLY PRICED TEXTBOOKS?

rgambs

rssesq said:

rgambs said:

rssesq said:

More anti-Semitism from the esteemed lawyer!

OK, I get it, America's greatest ally, the right Honorable Winston Churchill was a KNOWN anti-Semite. First time I ever heard that. Never heard it getting a BA in Poly Sci with a minor in history, not when I received an MA in international rela, nor when I attained a Doctorate in Jurisprudence from a private Northeast Uni. And guess who authored and published 90% of those ABSURDLY PRICED TEXTBOOKS?

Cool story, bro!

Is that your first post without a mention of something related to Judaism or it's adherents?
Nope. It isn't. Someday though, I have faith it will happen!

oftenreading

The 11th US Circuit Court of Appeals has struck down the Florida Firearms Owners' Privacy Act, a law designed to prevent doctors and other health professionals from even asking about the presence of a gun in a home with children, and counseling on gun safety. Apparently even the conservative members of the court did not believe that the case had adequately been made that the Second Amendment trumps the First.

Funny how some Republicans are very concerned about not being harassed when getting medical treatment. Unless you're a pregnant woman, of course.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/02/the_11th_circuit_strikes_down_florida_s_docs_vs_glocks_law.html

dignin

Indian shot dead in Kansas bar, shooter yelled 'get out of my country'




The shooter, Adam Purinton, reportedly got into an argument with Srinivas Kuchibhotla and his colleague Alok Madasani over racism, and shouted "get out of my country", "terrorist" before shooting them.


http://m.rediff.com/news/report/indian-shot-dead-in-kansas-bar-shooter-shouted-get-out-of-my-country/20170224.htm

PJPOWER

oftenreading said:

The 11th US Circuit Court of Appeals has struck down the Florida Firearms Owners' Privacy Act, a law designed to prevent doctors and other health professionals from even asking about the presence of a gun in a home with children, and counseling on gun safety. Apparently even the conservative members of the court did not believe that the case had adequately been made that the Second Amendment trumps the First.

Funny how some Republicans are very concerned about not being harassed when getting medical treatment. Unless you're a pregnant woman, of course.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/02/the_11th_circuit_strikes_down_florida_s_docs_vs_glocks_law.html

I feel it is just fine for the doctor to ask, and just fine for the patient to choose to disclose or not. As long as the patients privacy is being protected under HIPPA and the information is not being reported to any other outside entity without the patients consent.

mace1229

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CM189191 said:

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unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

All gun laws are infringements. We won't comply.

Infringement on what?

Why bother asking a follow up to that? No answer will have any reasoning.

It is a question that he already knows the answer to.

I was thinking laws were part of a well regulated militia.

Ok, I am in a militia.

Good for you. Leave your armaments at the armory. When you're called to duty, you can go pick them up.

That defeats the purpose. If the militia were called up all an aggressor would need to do is capture the depot ahead of time.

Maybe you misunderstand why there are militias.

Thank you for your service and sacrifice. What are you going to do when you're 46?

No ageism in my State Militia.

Even as a grandad, you'll follow those orders from your governor.

And you'll still be crying that Hillary lost.

Our militia gives me that freedom to cry!

Actually no it doesn't, nor does anyone give you freedom. You have that right by birth.

And nobody currently fights to retain or defend your freedom.

A right to freedom by birth is philosophical jumbo jimble and word play. I'm actually not entitled to anything at birth. My freedom is based on where I happen to be and laws, rules, faith and trust in a system created by people in the place I happen to be in. What I do within that system is mostly up to me.

So you are totally dependent on whatever government happens to be in charge? Got it.

Saying "totally dependent" would be you trying to guide the conversation to your view. I'm saying government, combined with society, puts up the fence around the field. I get to play in the field.

But you admittedly play on their field.

Wouldn't you prefer more input?

Do you own yourself?

I do own myself. A big part of this is grasping reality vs perception. Finding what my choices are. Knowing what I can change and what I can't. I know what is worthy of my emotional tension, and what's not.

Giving input into a flawed human system to create change is different than feeling like I'm in a constant struggle of freedom vs control with the government.

No, where we differ is you want to be able to control what I do, what I own, tax my earnings, etc.

I want you to run your own life, keep your money, and as long as you aren't harming others do whatever you want.

I understand taxes are part of a free society. When I know this and understand it, I'm free from feeling victimized from my monthly withholdings.

But somehow you think government gives you rights.

I get the whole debate on amt thing, but you can contradict yourself while doing it. You've referenced rights given by the government many times in gun threads, specifically the 2nd amendment. That's a clear example of government giving you rights.

Just for argument sake, are rights like freedom of speech, privacy, etc government rights or are they inalienable rights that governments should not take away?

oftenreading said:

The 11th US Circuit Court of Appeals has struck down the Florida Firearms Owners' Privacy Act, a law designed to prevent doctors and other health professionals from even asking about the presence of a gun in a home with children, and counseling on gun safety. Apparently even the conservative members of the court did not believe that the case had adequately been made that the Second Amendment trumps the First.

Funny how some Republicans are very concerned about not being harassed when getting medical treatment. Unless you're a pregnant woman, of course.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/02/the_11th_circuit_strikes_down_florida_s_docs_vs_glocks_law.html

There's lots of things you aren't even allowed to ask anymore. Cant ask about legal status, gender in some cases, sexual preference for fear of being discriminated against. Makes sense to me some gun owners would feel the same way. I for one, as a gun owner, don't care when I get asked, but I don't see how that is any different than those examples, especially in places like California where owning a gun has such a stigma with it.

Go Beavers

Doctors can't ask about sexual orientation?

mace1229

I wasn't referring to specifically doctors or hospitals, but there are many situations where those questions are not allowed. And how is it going to help the doctor to deliver my baby any better knowing I own a gun at home? Don't see the relevance.

oftenreading

mace1229 said:

I wasn't referring to specifically doctors or hospitals, but there are many situations where those questions are not allowed. And how is it going to help the doctor to deliver my baby any better knowing I own a gun at home? Don't see the relevance.

First, you are talking about employers not being able to ask about things like sexual orientation. That's completely different than a health care provider asking about these things, given that they directly relate to health issues. There are no other laws that I'm aware of that prevent health care providers from asking about health related issues.

And are you really trying to claim that you don't see the reason for doctors to ask about gun safety and storage when there are young children at home? We're not talking about to queries about gun ownership and storage when people are in for random things like a cardiology consult. We're talking about the issue of guns and young children. Would you not agree that pediatricians have an interest in preventing injury and disease in children? Things like toddlers finding a gun and accidentally shooting themselves or their siblings?

jeffbr

mace1229 said:

I wasn't referring to specifically doctors or hospitals, but there are many situations where those questions are not allowed. And how is it going to help the doctor to deliver my baby any better knowing I own a gun at home? Don't see the relevance.

I agree that a doctor doesn't need to ask about guns just as a company's HR dept doesn't need to ask about sexual orientation. None of their business, really. I'm also not sure why a doctor would be the person to instruct one on proper gun storage and safe handling. Is there a semester of gun training in med school now? Weird. I wouldn't go to a gunsmith to talk about a hernia, and wouldn't go to a doctor to talk about a gun safe.

mace1229

Yes, I don't see the point. First, there are far more hazards that are ignored than guns in the home, why is that focused on? The doctor doesn't do anything with that information other than check a box that I own a gun. Serves zero purpose.
In California to own a gun I had to pass a safety test and have a safety license. By the doctor asking if I own a gun they do nothing about it, and as far as I know don't forward that information on to anyone else. So yes, what is the point of a doctor, who is going to give the same care regardless of the answer and not do anything with the information, in asking if I own a gun? Serves zero purpose.

oftenreading

Doctors ask about health issues all the time. Part of a doctor's role is to provide information and teaching around safety issues, particularly for parents.

Doctors ask about things like car seat use. Maybe people think they should leave it up to Ford or Toyota?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

If there's a mental health issue, some useful information to a doctor might be whether or not a gun was on hand.

mace1229

I'm not saying that they should never ask. I was just pointing out in all of the cases I've experienced it wasn't relevant, at least not so since they didn't do anything with the information. They ask if I own a gun while my wife is in labor. They don't ask if it is locked up, if I use it properly, or anything else that would qualify the question as to making sure it is a safe environment.
And in liberal areas, I can see how someone who does own a gun would be uncomfortable answering that question.
If CPS wants to know who has a gun in a home with children, my guns are already registered, so why leave it up to the doctor to find out?