America's Gun Violence

HughFreakingDillon

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

for a civil war to occur, I think the division would have to be largely defined by geography (north v south), which it no longer is.

so in essence you could have a war with no front lines...i.e. vietnam

I suppose. I guess I just see the chances of it happening are so remote.

Go Beavers

When PJsoul and PJpower go back and forth, I think of Soul Power written on one of Tom Morello's guitars. Carry on.

mcgruff10

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

for a civil war to occur, I think the division would have to be largely defined by geography (north v south), which it no longer is.

so in essence you could have a war with no front lines...i.e. vietnam

I suppose. I guess I just see the chances of it happening are so remote.

yeah me too.

Going back to the other discussions: I'd invite anyone on these boards to the range and ask you to:
1. fire a weapon while shouldering it
2. fire a weapon from the hip

I'm in new jersey so we can use a 15 round magazine. we can fire weapons with a pistol grip and without...your choice.
after experiencing 1 and 2 you will find out #2 is all hollywood and your accuracy will be total shit.

oh I forgot that one of my favorite hollywood gun moves is when they tilt their handguns to the side and fire.

Degeneratefk

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

^^^yeah, well the threat was probably laughable 10-20 years before it actually happened here in the US.

Who exactly do you think is going to start a new civil war? Better dust off that tin foil hat before answering.

try reading some of the stuff on Facebook.

Sounds like you have the wrong friends...

No, I've heard and read plenty of that talk too, on social media and on clips from interviews with Trump supporters outside rallies, and even from people in town hall type Trump events during the campaign. There really were a lot of people threatening such things, or at least expressing their willingness to take things that far (politicians have hinted at such sentiments too, unbelievably). I'm hoping that was just a lot of idiotic emotions talking during that fucked up campaign though.... That said, crazy shit like civil wars do indeed still happen all over the place, so I'm not totally sure why Americans seem to now think it can never ever happen to them again. Modern times and lives of convenience don't actually mean the end of extreme political and social upheaval. Americans shouldn't get TOO comfortable, considering what's happening in the US right now. Things have skidded sideways and I don't see anything getting back on track any time soon - I don't think that can be denied. I'm not saying a civil war is going to break out... I'm just saying that there is no reason to act like it's basically going to be business as usual in the years ahead and like something weird or crazy happening is an insane notion, given all the evidence. And if there is a another major terrorist attack on American soil any time soon, things could get pretty fucked up pretty damn fast.

Who would be fighting who in a civil war?

Again, I'm not saying there will be a civil war (though it's obviously not impossible), but if we're pretending there will be, don't you think the divisions are generally pretty obvious? Of course, it could be a state thing I guess. But most civil wars around the world seem more defined by beliefs or ethnicity (sadly) and not by lines on a map (the American civil war was more an exception rather than the rule) .... so who knows? Anyway, I'm really just saying shit might really be changing in America again. There are definitely some signs pointing towards that theory.

I don't think it's realistically possible for civil war to occur in this country.

mace1229

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

for a civil war to occur, I think the division would have to be largely defined by geography (north v south), which it no longer is.

so in essence you could have a war with no front lines...i.e. vietnam

I suppose. I guess I just see the chances of it happening are so remote.

yeah me too.

Going back to the other discussions: I'd invite anyone on these boards to the range and ask you to:
1. fire a weapon while shouldering it
2. fire a weapon from the hip

I'm in new jersey so we can use a 15 round magazine. we can fire weapons with a pistol grip and without...your choice.
after experiencing 1 and 2 you will find out #2 is all hollywood and your accuracy will be total shit.

oh I forgot that one of my favorite hollywood gun moves is when they tilt their handguns to the side and fire.

Careful, you're about to be called "disgusting" for basing your opinion on actual experience and conversations with real people.
Handguns with a magazine should be outlawed because they never run out of ammo in the movies!

mcgruff10

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

for a civil war to occur, I think the division would have to be largely defined by geography (north v south), which it no longer is.

so in essence you could have a war with no front lines...i.e. vietnam

I suppose. I guess I just see the chances of it happening are so remote.

yeah me too.

Going back to the other discussions: I'd invite anyone on these boards to the range and ask you to:
1. fire a weapon while shouldering it
2. fire a weapon from the hip

I'm in new jersey so we can use a 15 round magazine. we can fire weapons with a pistol grip and without...your choice.
after experiencing 1 and 2 you will find out #2 is all hollywood and your accuracy will be total shit.

oh I forgot that one of my favorite hollywood gun moves is when they tilt their handguns to the side and fire.

Careful, you're about to be called "disgusting" for basing your opinion on actual experience and conversations with real people.
Handguns with a magazine should be outlawed because they never run out of ammo in the movies!

I've only been shooting for 29 years....I'm probably not experienced enough to have any sort of opinion on this. Disgusting I am.
It is amazing how a handgun with a 15 to 20 round mag in the movies lasts forever! lol

vaggar99

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

^^^yeah, well the threat was probably laughable 10-20 years before it actually happened here in the US.

Who exactly do you think is going to start a new civil war? Better dust off that tin foil hat before answering.

try reading some of the stuff on Facebook.

Sounds like you have the wrong friends...

No, I've heard and read plenty of that talk too, on social media and on clips from interviews with Trump supporters outside rallies, and even from people in town hall type Trump events during the campaign. There really were a lot of people threatening such things, or at least expressing their willingness to take things that far (politicians have hinted at such sentiments too, unbelievably). I'm hoping that was just a lot of idiotic emotions talking during that fucked up campaign though.... That said, crazy shit like civil wars do indeed still happen all over the place, so I'm not totally sure why Americans seem to now think it can never ever happen to them again. Modern times and lives of convenience don't actually mean the end of extreme political and social upheaval. Americans shouldn't get TOO comfortable, considering what's happening in the US right now. Things have skidded sideways and I don't see anything getting back on track any time soon - I don't think that can be denied. I'm not saying a civil war is going to break out... I'm just saying that there is no reason to act like it's basically going to be business as usual in the years ahead and like something weird or crazy happening is an insane notion, given all the evidence. And if there is a another major terrorist attack on American soil any time soon, things could get pretty fucked up pretty damn fast.

yeah, most of the stuff i've seen is from angry ESP supporters on the Dan Rather page of Facebook. theres lots of people alluding to 'consequences' should the recounts or any other efforts to remove ESP succeed. scary shit

vaggar99

HughFreakingDillon said:

for a civil war to occur, I think the division would have to be largely defined by geography (north v south), which it no longer is.

that's actually the scary part. those of us who are unarmed really have no safe haven.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

for a civil war to occur, I think the division would have to be largely defined by geography (north v south), which it no longer is.

so in essence you could have a war with no front lines...i.e. vietnam

I suppose. I guess I just see the chances of it happening are so remote.

I don't see why. There are a lot of civil wars that haven't been like that. I think you might just be having trouble envisioning a civil war in America unless it's like the first one?

PJ_Soul

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

^^^yeah, well the threat was probably laughable 10-20 years before it actually happened here in the US.

Who exactly do you think is going to start a new civil war? Better dust off that tin foil hat before answering.

try reading some of the stuff on Facebook.

Sounds like you have the wrong friends...

No, I've heard and read plenty of that talk too, on social media and on clips from interviews with Trump supporters outside rallies, and even from people in town hall type Trump events during the campaign. There really were a lot of people threatening such things, or at least expressing their willingness to take things that far (politicians have hinted at such sentiments too, unbelievably). I'm hoping that was just a lot of idiotic emotions talking during that fucked up campaign though.... That said, crazy shit like civil wars do indeed still happen all over the place, so I'm not totally sure why Americans seem to now think it can never ever happen to them again. Modern times and lives of convenience don't actually mean the end of extreme political and social upheaval. Americans shouldn't get TOO comfortable, considering what's happening in the US right now. Things have skidded sideways and I don't see anything getting back on track any time soon - I don't think that can be denied. I'm not saying a civil war is going to break out... I'm just saying that there is no reason to act like it's basically going to be business as usual in the years ahead and like something weird or crazy happening is an insane notion, given all the evidence. And if there is a another major terrorist attack on American soil any time soon, things could get pretty fucked up pretty damn fast.

Who would be fighting who in a civil war?

Again, I'm not saying there will be a civil war (though it's obviously not impossible), but if we're pretending there will be, don't you think the divisions are generally pretty obvious? Of course, it could be a state thing I guess. But most civil wars around the world seem more defined by beliefs or ethnicity (sadly) and not by lines on a map (the American civil war was more an exception rather than the rule) .... so who knows? Anyway, I'm really just saying shit might really be changing in America again. There are definitely some signs pointing towards that theory.

I don't think it's realistically possible for civil war to occur in this country.

I bet that's what a lot of people have thought before civil wars happened in their country.... I'm sure most of the crazy shit that happens all over the world seems impossible to a lot of people before it happens. Again, I'm not saying it's going to happen... I'm just saying that crazier things have happened, and I think modern American society has kind of lulled everyone into the mindset of "that's impossible". Well, actually, no it's not.

PJ_Soul

Go Beavers said:

When PJsoul and PJpower go back and forth, I think of Soul Power written on one of Tom Morello's guitars. Carry on.

I like that!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

polaris_x said:

so ... I guess it's cool to shoot an unarmed person these days!?? ... the collective disregard for life is evident ...

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/12/ronald_gasser_suspect_in_joe_m.html#incart_river_home_pop

Ronald Gasser, the man authorities say shot and killed former NFL player Joe McKnight, was released from custody overnight without being charged, Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office authorities said Friday morning (Dec. 2).

Gasser, 54, has not been formally charged, said JPSO spokesman Col. John Fortunato. Investigators are consulting with the district attorney's office on the decision whether to formally charge Gasser, Fortunato said.

As the investigation into McKnight's death continues, Fortunato asked anyone with information about the shooting to contact department homicide detectives at 504-364-5393.

McKnight, 28, was shot about 3 p.m. Thursday (Dec. 1) at the intersection of Behrman Highway and Holmes Boulevard in Terrytown. A witness, who declined to give her name, said she saw a man at the intersection yelling at McKnight, who was trying to apologize. The man shot McKnight more than once, the witness said. She said he shot McKnight, stood over him and said, "I told you don't you f--- with me." Then the man fired again, she said.

Authorities named the shooter as Ronald Gasser, 54, and said he stayed at the scene and turned his gun in to officers. Gasser was in custody and was being questioned, Jefferson Parish Sheriff Newell Normand said. The sheriff said McKnight did not have a gun, and deputies did not find a gun outside McKnight's vehicle.

Brutal.

PJPOWER

Go Beavers said:

When PJsoul and PJpower go back and forth, I think of Soul Power written on one of Tom Morello's guitars. Carry on.

Haha, that's excellent!

vaggar99

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

^^^yeah, well the threat was probably laughable 10-20 years before it actually happened here in the US.

Who exactly do you think is going to start a new civil war? Better dust off that tin foil hat before answering.

try reading some of the stuff on Facebook.

Sounds like you have the wrong friends...

No, I've heard and read plenty of that talk too, on social media and on clips from interviews with Trump supporters outside rallies, and even from people in town hall type Trump events during the campaign. There really were a lot of people threatening such things, or at least expressing their willingness to take things that far (politicians have hinted at such sentiments too, unbelievably). I'm hoping that was just a lot of idiotic emotions talking during that fucked up campaign though.... That said, crazy shit like civil wars do indeed still happen all over the place, so I'm not totally sure why Americans seem to now think it can never ever happen to them again. Modern times and lives of convenience don't actually mean the end of extreme political and social upheaval. Americans shouldn't get TOO comfortable, considering what's happening in the US right now. Things have skidded sideways and I don't see anything getting back on track any time soon - I don't think that can be denied. I'm not saying a civil war is going to break out... I'm just saying that there is no reason to act like it's basically going to be business as usual in the years ahead and like something weird or crazy happening is an insane notion, given all the evidence. And if there is a another major terrorist attack on American soil any time soon, things could get pretty fucked up pretty damn fast.

Who would be fighting who in a civil war?

Again, I'm not saying there will be a civil war (though it's obviously not impossible), but if we're pretending there will be, don't you think the divisions are generally pretty obvious? Of course, it could be a state thing I guess. But most civil wars around the world seem more defined by beliefs or ethnicity (sadly) and not by lines on a map (the American civil war was more an exception rather than the rule) .... so who knows? Anyway, I'm really just saying shit might really be changing in America again. There are definitely some signs pointing towards that theory.

I don't think it's realistically possible for civil war to occur in this country.

I bet that's what a lot of people have thought before civil wars happened in their country.... I'm sure most of the crazy shit that happens all over the world seems impossible to a lot of people before it happens. Again, I'm not saying it's going to happen... I'm just saying that crazier things have happened, and I think modern American society has kind of lulled everyone into the mindset of "that's impossible". Well, actually, no it's not.

exactly, its strange times when a presidential candidate can gain supporters directly in proportion to amount of lying he does.

Go Beavers

PJPOWER

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

^^^yeah, well the threat was probably laughable 10-20 years before it actually happened here in the US.

Who exactly do you think is going to start a new civil war? Better dust off that tin foil hat before answering.

try reading some of the stuff on Facebook.

Sounds like you have the wrong friends...

No, I've heard and read plenty of that talk too, on social media and on clips from interviews with Trump supporters outside rallies, and even from people in town hall type Trump events during the campaign. There really were a lot of people threatening such things, or at least expressing their willingness to take things that far (politicians have hinted at such sentiments too, unbelievably). I'm hoping that was just a lot of idiotic emotions talking during that fucked up campaign though.... That said, crazy shit like civil wars do indeed still happen all over the place, so I'm not totally sure why Americans seem to now think it can never ever happen to them again. Modern times and lives of convenience don't actually mean the end of extreme political and social upheaval. Americans shouldn't get TOO comfortable, considering what's happening in the US right now. Things have skidded sideways and I don't see anything getting back on track any time soon - I don't think that can be denied. I'm not saying a civil war is going to break out... I'm just saying that there is no reason to act like it's basically going to be business as usual in the years ahead and like something weird or crazy happening is an insane notion, given all the evidence. And if there is a another major terrorist attack on American soil any time soon, things could get pretty fucked up pretty damn fast.

Who would be fighting who in a civil war?

Again, I'm not saying there will be a civil war (though it's obviously not impossible), but if we're pretending there will be, don't you think the divisions are generally pretty obvious? Of course, it could be a state thing I guess. But most civil wars around the world seem more defined by beliefs or ethnicity (sadly) and not by lines on a map (the American civil war was more an exception rather than the rule) .... so who knows? Anyway, I'm really just saying shit might really be changing in America again. There are definitely some signs pointing towards that theory.

I don't think it's realistically possible for civil war to occur in this country.

I bet that's what a lot of people have thought before civil wars happened in their country.... I'm sure most of the crazy shit that happens all over the world seems impossible to a lot of people before it happens. Again, I'm not saying it's going to happen... I'm just saying that crazier things have happened, and I think modern American society has kind of lulled everyone into the mindset of "that's impossible". Well, actually, no it's not.

exactly, its strange times when a presidential candidate can gain supporters directly in proportion to amount of lying he does.

Guess you better think twice about banning those assault weapons if you are planning on stocking up for a civil war then, right? Your rubber band gun probably won't get you very far..,

vaggar99

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

^^^yeah, well the threat was probably laughable 10-20 years before it actually happened here in the US.

Who exactly do you think is going to start a new civil war? Better dust off that tin foil hat before answering.

try reading some of the stuff on Facebook.

Sounds like you have the wrong friends...

No, I've heard and read plenty of that talk too, on social media and on clips from interviews with Trump supporters outside rallies, and even from people in town hall type Trump events during the campaign. There really were a lot of people threatening such things, or at least expressing their willingness to take things that far (politicians have hinted at such sentiments too, unbelievably). I'm hoping that was just a lot of idiotic emotions talking during that fucked up campaign though.... That said, crazy shit like civil wars do indeed still happen all over the place, so I'm not totally sure why Americans seem to now think it can never ever happen to them again. Modern times and lives of convenience don't actually mean the end of extreme political and social upheaval. Americans shouldn't get TOO comfortable, considering what's happening in the US right now. Things have skidded sideways and I don't see anything getting back on track any time soon - I don't think that can be denied. I'm not saying a civil war is going to break out... I'm just saying that there is no reason to act like it's basically going to be business as usual in the years ahead and like something weird or crazy happening is an insane notion, given all the evidence. And if there is a another major terrorist attack on American soil any time soon, things could get pretty fucked up pretty damn fast.

Who would be fighting who in a civil war?

Again, I'm not saying there will be a civil war (though it's obviously not impossible), but if we're pretending there will be, don't you think the divisions are generally pretty obvious? Of course, it could be a state thing I guess. But most civil wars around the world seem more defined by beliefs or ethnicity (sadly) and not by lines on a map (the American civil war was more an exception rather than the rule) .... so who knows? Anyway, I'm really just saying shit might really be changing in America again. There are definitely some signs pointing towards that theory.

I don't think it's realistically possible for civil war to occur in this country.

I bet that's what a lot of people have thought before civil wars happened in their country.... I'm sure most of the crazy shit that happens all over the world seems impossible to a lot of people before it happens. Again, I'm not saying it's going to happen... I'm just saying that crazier things have happened, and I think modern American society has kind of lulled everyone into the mindset of "that's impossible". Well, actually, no it's not.

exactly, its strange times when a presidential candidate can gain supporters directly in proportion to amount of lying he does.

Guess you better think twice about banning those assault weapons if you are planning on stocking up for a civil war then, right? Your rubber band gun probably won't get you very far..,

i said i was considering it based on the psychotic nature of the people who seemed to be obsessed with them. only for protection. the ship has sailed on banning assault weapons. the patients have taken over the asylum.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

This guy rocks.

PJPOWER

vaggar99 said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

PJPOWER said:

vaggar99 said:

^^^yeah, well the threat was probably laughable 10-20 years before it actually happened here in the US.

Who exactly do you think is going to start a new civil war? Better dust off that tin foil hat before answering.

try reading some of the stuff on Facebook.

Sounds like you have the wrong friends...

No, I've heard and read plenty of that talk too, on social media and on clips from interviews with Trump supporters outside rallies, and even from people in town hall type Trump events during the campaign. There really were a lot of people threatening such things, or at least expressing their willingness to take things that far (politicians have hinted at such sentiments too, unbelievably). I'm hoping that was just a lot of idiotic emotions talking during that fucked up campaign though.... That said, crazy shit like civil wars do indeed still happen all over the place, so I'm not totally sure why Americans seem to now think it can never ever happen to them again. Modern times and lives of convenience don't actually mean the end of extreme political and social upheaval. Americans shouldn't get TOO comfortable, considering what's happening in the US right now. Things have skidded sideways and I don't see anything getting back on track any time soon - I don't think that can be denied. I'm not saying a civil war is going to break out... I'm just saying that there is no reason to act like it's basically going to be business as usual in the years ahead and like something weird or crazy happening is an insane notion, given all the evidence. And if there is a another major terrorist attack on American soil any time soon, things could get pretty fucked up pretty damn fast.

Who would be fighting who in a civil war?

Again, I'm not saying there will be a civil war (though it's obviously not impossible), but if we're pretending there will be, don't you think the divisions are generally pretty obvious? Of course, it could be a state thing I guess. But most civil wars around the world seem more defined by beliefs or ethnicity (sadly) and not by lines on a map (the American civil war was more an exception rather than the rule) .... so who knows? Anyway, I'm really just saying shit might really be changing in America again. There are definitely some signs pointing towards that theory.

I don't think it's realistically possible for civil war to occur in this country.

I bet that's what a lot of people have thought before civil wars happened in their country.... I'm sure most of the crazy shit that happens all over the world seems impossible to a lot of people before it happens. Again, I'm not saying it's going to happen... I'm just saying that crazier things have happened, and I think modern American society has kind of lulled everyone into the mindset of "that's impossible". Well, actually, no it's not.

exactly, its strange times when a presidential candidate can gain supporters directly in proportion to amount of lying he does.

Guess you better think twice about banning those assault weapons if you are planning on stocking up for a civil war then, right? Your rubber band gun probably won't get you very far..,

i said i was considering it based on the psychotic nature of the people who seemed to be obsessed with them. only for protection. the ship has sailed on banning assault weapons. the patients have taken over the asylum.

Wait, wait, wait...but anti-gun folks say that it is dumb to have guns for protection. That "you'll shoot your eye out" to quote one of my favorite Christmas movies. You're starting to sound like a "gun nut". Hope you're good with all of your states strict gun laws, should make it really convenient to purchase a firearm and buy ammo to practice with. Btw, if you don't plan on practicing, please do not buy a firearm, it just makes responsible people look bad...And I hope you're not a marijuana smoker, because that would make you a criminal if you try to purchase one.

vaggar99

^^^honestly find guns boring. again, i am not seriously considering buying one, just wanted to vent the fact that the thought has crossed my mind recently where it never had before. i don't see anything wrong with rubber band guns either. if more kids were given those instead of game consoles filled with violence, we might not be wondering why our population is getting more and more ignorant everyday.