America's Gun Violence

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    GF would try and help... except he'd have his damn gun facing the wrong way with his thumb on the trigger.
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  • unsung
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Just don't ban scruffy's or unsung's guns. When the aliens come they are going to get them for us!

    Or the radical muslims. Better face reality.
  • OffSheGoes35
    OffSheGoes35 Posts: 3,517
    Or the birds. Don't forget the birds.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    OffSheGoes35 said:

    Or the birds. Don't forget the birds.

    I find when you're being attacked by birds... if you get both arms swinging really fast in a windmill fashion... the birds just want nothing to do with you. They just take off.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Just don't ban scruffy's or unsung's guns. When the aliens come they are going to get them for us!

    Or the radical muslims. Better face reality.
    I was kidding, Unsung.
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  • unsung
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Just don't ban scruffy's or unsung's guns. When the aliens come they are going to get them for us!

    Or the radical muslims. Better face reality.
    I was kidding, Unsung.
    I know, but reality says we need to be vigilant.
  • seanwon
    seanwon Posts: 622
    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Just don't ban scruffy's or unsung's guns. When the aliens come they are going to get them for us!

    Or the radical muslims. Better face reality.
    Well, since 9/11, about 100 Americans have been killed due to radical muslims on US soil. During that same time period, approximately 180,000 people have died by guns. Annually, per the CDC, we have over 30,000 deaths by vehicle and over 30,000 deaths by accidental poisoning. So the reality is, I'm not worried about Islamic terrorism whatsoever. I'm more likely to die getting a tainted taco from Taco Bell...or in a car crash on the way to get it...or in a road rage incident from some guy carrying a gun for protection who perceives I cut him off.

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    edited September 2016
    mcgruff10 said:

    question for you anti gunners: do you guys fear for your life when you are in public because of the fact that there are so many guns in the usa?
    question for my canadian friends: do you fear coming to the united states because of our lax gun laws?
    honest question here guys.

    Yeah, I love going to the States, but I am a little fearful of the guns. It's really shocking to be driving around and seeing all those gun stores, and to see the guns in a Walmart. It makes me feel a little nervous. The real prevalence of guns in the US is really obvious to an outsider. I think what Americans are just used to and don't even think about still kind of bonks foreigners over the head when they see it. Or at least me and my friends and family. We always end up commenting on it when we're south of the border. We never get used to it, and for me there are ubiquitous reminders down there that people are packing, which is a bit unsettling if you let yourself think about it too much. I do find making myself not think about it too much and enjoy my trips down there because I'm not paranoid, but it's not like the gun problem in the US is unnoticeable.
    And FWIW, I was actually specifically concerned about going to Chicago, with all that gun violence and I was reading about muggings of tourists and shit, along with crossfire deaths. Of course it was fine, but I was conscious of the situation to say the least.
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    seanwon said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Just don't ban scruffy's or unsung's guns. When the aliens come they are going to get them for us!

    Or the radical muslims. Better face reality.
    Well, since 9/11, about 100 Americans have been killed due to radical muslims on US soil. During that same time period, approximately 180,000 people have died by guns. Annually, per the CDC, we have over 30,000 deaths by vehicle and over 30,000 deaths by accidental poisoning. So the reality is, I'm not worried about Islamic terrorism whatsoever. I'm more likely to die getting a tainted taco from Taco Bell...or in a car crash on the way to get it...or in a road rage incident from some guy carrying a gun for protection who perceives I cut him off.

    Oh no, that's not the point radical Muslims are everywhere. Don't you know that?
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,394
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    question for you anti gunners: do you guys fear for your life when you are in public because of the fact that there are so many guns in the usa?
    question for my canadian friends: do you fear coming to the united states because of our lax gun laws?
    honest question here guys.

    No.

    But I mind my own business and don't play games on the road with other people. We have the discussion every time: I tell my son, "Dont get into it with any Yahoo down here, son. You never know who you're dealing with and they carry guns. You piss someone off and they might just shoot you."

    But that conversation alone is where I come from in this argument. I don't know if they even have a statistic for it, but I can recall numerous stories where a petty argument turns into a lethal encounter because someone gets mad and shoots someone. If they had 30 minutes to walk away... they wouldn't have gone home to get their shotgun that they have for self defence. They'd have thought better.

    Same with suicides. The US suicide rate is much higher than other developed countries because of the finality guns yield. You can wake up in a hospital bed after swallowing a bottle of pills, but you can't after swallowing a bullet. If people become anxious and entertain the thought of ending things... f**k... I hope there's not a gun there in their moment of despair. The sun always comes out from behind the clouds.

    People do dumb things. I don't care if gang bangers kill each other- they're just doing business. I care about your average joe that exhibits a momentary lapse of reason.

    One solution that keeps coming up is more guns. The other solution- quite naturally- is fewer guns. If there were no guns at all... would you have any gun homicides?
    I can relate to your point about the finality of a gunshot-induced suicide personally, but from a different angle. When I went through my depression, I remember daydreaming about taking that step onto the subway tracks, but I'd think about laying there, and the fear I perceived I would have after the point-of-no-return was something I couldn't brace myself for. Same thing with jumping out of windows in tall buildings. The idea of a gun-induced suicide seemed like an immediate, effortless, painless, and failure-proof option - but I don't know a soul who owns a gun thankfully, so the option of obtaining one for that purpose was not there. Had there been one convenient (i.e. in my family household), I honestly can't say what would've happened. For the record, the worst of the suicidal thoughts came when I was around 17-18.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    edited September 2016
    FWIW, there are plenty of failed suicide-by-gun attempts. It is definitely not a failure-proof method, and more often than not, when it is a failure it results in profound disability and pain.
    Very glad you're still with us benjs.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,394
    PJ_Soul said:

    FWIW, there are plenty of failed suicide-by-gun attempts. It is definitely not a failure-proof method, and more often than not, when it is a failure it results in profound disability and pain.
    Very glad you're still with us benjs.

    Thanks PJ_Soul. And I'm aware of the horrendous outcome potential now. Unfortunately, depression has a tendency to strip a person of their ability to make good, logic-based decisions (based on knowing several people with depression - some who have struggled, some who do struggle, and one who lost the struggle).
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    FWIW, there are plenty of failed suicide-by-gun attempts. It is definitely not a failure-proof method, and more often than not, when it is a failure it results in profound disability and pain.
    Very glad you're still with us benjs.

    Thanks PJ_Soul. And I'm aware of the horrendous outcome potential now. Unfortunately, depression has a tendency to strip a person of their ability to make good, logic-based decisions (based on knowing several people with depression - some who have struggled, some who do struggle, and one who lost the struggle).
    Depression is very real, benjs. As you can testify to.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,776
    unsung said:

    I'm always carrying, and I avoid crowds and seem to be much more aware of my surroundings.


    Much more awareof your surroundings than who?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,776
    mcgruff10 said:

    question for you anti gunners: do you guys fear for your life when you are in public because of the fact that there are so many guns in the usa?
    question for my canadian friends: do you fear coming to the united states because of our lax gun laws?
    honest question here guys.

    Honestly, when the incident in France happened, that was the first time it made me consider my entertainment options, because I go to so many concerts. But that subsided.
    No, I do not worry about traveling to the US. It honestly doesn't really enter my mind. Although, the furthest I go is generally just North Dakota, Minnesota, or Wisconsin. It might cross my mind if I ever considered Detroit or Chicago. I live in Winnipeg, which is the murder capital of Canada, and I don't avoid downtown at night. Most crimes of violence are, as we all know, domestic or at least between people who know each other.

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  • unsung
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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    I'm always carrying, and I avoid crowds and seem to be much more aware of my surroundings.


    Much more awareof your surroundings than who?
    Then if I weren't.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited September 2016
    Another example of guns saving lives.
    http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/19/man-shot-crossroads-mall-terrorist-uspsa-competitor-3-gun-shooter/
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

    That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited September 2016
    unsung said:

    Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

    That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

    lol, I know! I've said it time and time again, just because their job is "police officer" does not mean that they are highly proficient with their guns. Most just meet the minimum requirements to qualify to carry that gun another year. This guy went the extra mile. If you really want to see some trained proficient individuals (mostly citizens), go to a 3-gun competition or IDPA shooting competition. Individuals that participate practice to shoot very accurately while experiencing high stress and fatigue.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,145
    are off duty cops required to carry their firearms?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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