America's Gun Violence

PJPOWER

mcgruff10 said:

are off duty cops required to carry their firearms?

Nope, nor are concealed carry permit holders...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

are off duty cops required to carry their firearms?

Nope, nor are concealed carry permit holders...

But this will be a requirement if Bumnugent gets his way.

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

are off duty cops required to carry their firearms?

Nope, nor are concealed carry permit holders...

But this will be a requirement if Bumnugent gets his way.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

are off duty cops required to carry their firearms?

Nope, nor are concealed carry permit holders...

But this will be a requirement if Bumnugent gets his way.

Is that one of his initiatives? I mostly ignore him as I do most celebrities that try to push policies. It seems that those who speak the loudest are the ones that should be most ignored in the current state of affairs. I don't believe it should be law, but I do think that someone trained has somewhat of a moral obligation to help others in the specific manner in which they were trained, much like a doctor choosing whether or not to help a random person having a heart attack (although there may actually be some ethical laws tied there, but you see what I mean).

Degeneratefk

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

PJPOWER

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

That's quite the assumption... Fact is, psychology, people react to danger of different ways. In some of the mass school shootings, there were those that "froze" when the shooter entered a classroom and there were some that charged at the shooter absorbing bullets. They were not off duty cops, but what many refer to as "sheepdogs", people who instinctually are leaders and are willing to fight. The fact that he was an off duty cop may or may not make some difference. The fact that he used his spare time to become trained and proficient makes all the difference in the world.
And who cares if there were some running and hiding? Maybe they were helping others run and hide too. Knowing your exits and how to get away or where best to hide is great survival skill too, the ones I would be concerned with would be those still staring at their phones in a state of shock while this is going down. I'm willing to bet that if there were CWP holders and they were cornered while hiding, they would have dropped this sack of shit too.

Degeneratefk

PJPOWER said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

That's quite the assumption... Fact is, psychology, people react to danger of different ways. In some of the mass school shootings, there were those that "froze" when the shooter entered a classroom and there were some that charged at the shooter absorbing bullets. The fact that he was an off duty cop does not make any difference. The fact that he used his spare time to become trained and proficient makes all the difference in the world.

That's incredibly naive of you to think that. You assume if that off duty cop wasn't there, another CWP hero steps in and saves the day?

Godfather.

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

sounds like you've looked danger in the face, let's hear about it.
do you have a CWP ?
I'd be willing to bet you don't even know what you're talking about, life if full of crazy experience's let's hear some of yours.

Godfather.

Degeneratefk

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

sounds like you've looked danger in the face, let's hear about it.
do you have a CWP ?
I'd be willing to bet you don't even know what you're talking about, life if full of crazy experience's let's hear some of yours.

Godfather.

I am a gun owner, I am not a CWP carrier.

Can I just say that I was an assistant chief in the fire department for 15 years? Or would you like to hear about all the times I ran into a place people were running out of? Pm me, I've got many stories.

PJPOWER

Degeneratefk said:

PJPOWER said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

That's quite the assumption... Fact is, psychology, people react to danger of different ways. In some of the mass school shootings, there were those that "froze" when the shooter entered a classroom and there were some that charged at the shooter absorbing bullets. The fact that he was an off duty cop does not make any difference. The fact that he used his spare time to become trained and proficient makes all the difference in the world.

That's incredibly naive of you to think that. You assume if that off duty cop wasn't there, another CWP hero steps in and saves the day?

It's happened, there was actually a recent publicized event where a CCW carrier saved a cops life by stepping in. You are naive in stating that a CWP holder could not have stepped in and saved the day. It boils down to a person being in the right place at the right time and having the means to stop the shitbag.
Here are just a few random exames:
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/03/10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter/#10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter-2

Godfather.

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

sounds like you've looked danger in the face, let's hear about it.
do you have a CWP ?
I'd be willing to bet you don't even know what you're talking about, life if full of crazy experience's let's hear some of yours.

Godfather.

I am a gun owner, I am not a CWP carrier.

Can I just say that I was an assistant chief in the fire department for 15 years? Or would you like to hear about all the times I ran into a place people were running out of? Pm me, I've got many stories.

if what you say is true then please accept my apologies, but yes sometime I'd like to hear some stories.

Godfather.

Degeneratefk

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

sounds like you've looked danger in the face, let's hear about it.
do you have a CWP ?
I'd be willing to bet you don't even know what you're talking about, life if full of crazy experience's let's hear some of yours.

Godfather.

I am a gun owner, I am not a CWP carrier.

Can I just say that I was an assistant chief in the fire department for 15 years? Or would you like to hear about all the times I ran into a place people were running out of? Pm me, I've got many stories.

if what you say is true then please accept my apologies, but yes sometime I'd like to hear some stories.

Godfather.

Ask around, people here know who I am. Shoot me a pm.

Stickman12

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

Running and hiding is completely acceptable if you are not in the direct line of fire. In fact many training courses suggest that to be your first train of thought. The end goal is 1) stay alive 2) help if possible

unsung

First thing I'd do is find the exit. I usually know where they are at all times.

Degeneratefk

Stickman12 said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

Running and hiding is completely acceptable if you are not in the direct line of fire. In fact many training courses suggest that to be your first train of thought. The end goal is 1) stay alive 2) help if possible

Absolutely. I do not disagree with that. It's also not what I'm saying.

Stickman12

Degeneratefk said:

Stickman12 said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

Running and hiding is completely acceptable if you are not in the direct line of fire. In fact many training courses suggest that to be your first train of thought. The end goal is 1) stay alive 2) help if possible

Absolutely. I do not disagree with that. It's also not what I'm saying.

Right on and on a side note thank you for your service

Godfather.

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Dude, he was a off duty cop. Duh!

That's going to be the reply, as stupid as it is. Always an excuse rather than admit the problem or solution.

Some of you really have no idea what it is like to be facing danger in the face. The fact that it was an off duty cop makes all the difference. I'd be willing to bet there were other CWP people in the area that were running and hiding

sounds like you've looked danger in the face, let's hear about it.
do you have a CWP ?
I'd be willing to bet you don't even know what you're talking about, life if full of crazy experience's let's hear some of yours.

Godfather.

I am a gun owner, I am not a CWP carrier.

Can I just say that I was an assistant chief in the fire department for 15 years? Or would you like to hear about all the times I ran into a place people were running out of? Pm me, I've got many stories.

if what you say is true then please accept my apologies, but yes sometime I'd like to hear some stories.

Godfather.

Ask around, people here know who I am. Shoot me a pm.

thanks' !

Godfather.

mcgruff10

More on the cop who came to the rescue in Minnesota:
USPSA Shooter, 3-Gunner, and NRA-certified firearms instructor Jason Falconer has been identified as the man who shot and killed a 22-year-old Somali immigrant who went on a stabbing rampage inside a St. Cloud, (MN) Mall on Saturday.

The apparent terrorist—who apparently asked victims if they were Muslims before stabbing them—was engaged by Falconer inside the mall.

Falconer is the president and owner of Tactical Advantage LLC, a shooting range and tactical training facility with a strong focus on arming concealed carriers. He’s also a former chief of the Albany (MN) police department, and he remains a part-time officer.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mcgruff10 said:

More on the cop who came to the rescue in Minnesota:
USPSA Shooter, 3-Gunner, and NRA-certified firearms instructor Jason Falconer has been identified as the man who shot and killed a 22-year-old Somali immigrant who went on a stabbing rampage inside a St. Cloud, (MN) Mall on Saturday.

The apparent terrorist—who apparently asked victims if they were Muslims before stabbing them—was engaged by Falconer inside the mall.

Falconer is the president and owner of Tactical Advantage LLC, a shooting range and tactical training facility with a strong focus on arming concealed carriers. He’s also a former chief of the Albany (MN) police department, and he remains a part-time officer.

Hey man nice shot!

polaris_x

interesting stat ... 3% of americans own 50% of the firearms in the country ...

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polaris_x said:

interesting stat ... 3% of americans own 50% of the firearms in the country ...

What, doesn't that mean that 3% individually own A LOT of guns.

Peace