America's Gun Violence

Godfather. · October 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYjgicQOJU

everybody needs to see this.

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

Godfather. said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYjgicQOJU

everybody needs to see this.

Godfather.

no, we don't. it's hogwash. comparing wanting stricter gun laws has zero in common with Hitler disarming the public. again and again and again.....no one is advocating making all guns illegal.

PJPOWER · October 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYjgicQOJU

everybody needs to see this.

Godfather.
no, we don't. it's hogwash. comparing wanting stricter gun laws has zero in common with Hitler disarming the public. again and again and again.....no one is advocating making all guns illegal.

"No one" is an not a true statement. That sentiment has been floated around the AMT a few times and I posted quotes in another thread where this argument came up. Not going to go digging around again, but maybe the more true statement would be ""most" people supporting gun control do not advocate making all guns illegal." One could also say that "some" advocate making "most" or "all" guns illegal and it would be a much more valid statement. Better to stay away from indefinite pronouns when making arguments as they can be easily contradicted by finding only one or two examples to the contrary. Just one of my grammar pet peeves, haha

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYjgicQOJU

everybody needs to see this.

Godfather.
no, we don't. it's hogwash. comparing wanting stricter gun laws has zero in common with Hitler disarming the public. again and again and again.....no one is advocating making all guns illegal.
"No one" is an not a true statement. That sentiment has been floated around the AMT a few times and I posted quotes in another thread where this argument came up. Not going to go digging around again, but maybe the more true statement would be ""most" people supporting gun control do not advocate making all guns illegal." One could also say that "some" advocate making "most" or "all" guns illegal and it would be a much more valid statement. Better to stay away from indefinite pronouns when making arguments as they can be easily contradicted by finding only one or two examples to the contrary. Just one of my grammar pet peeves, haha

fine...."most".

Godfather. · October 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYjgicQOJU

everybody needs to see this.

Godfather.
no, we don't. it's hogwash. comparing wanting stricter gun laws has zero in common with Hitler disarming the public. again and again and again.....no one is advocating making all guns illegal.

listen to the whole thing if you haven't, the people were given many things and it was easier to take things away from them and all those things taken away gave Hitler a tighter grip and eventually led to what happened in the end, the Holocaust.

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYjgicQOJU

everybody needs to see this.

Godfather.
no, we don't. it's hogwash. comparing wanting stricter gun laws has zero in common with Hitler disarming the public. again and again and again.....no one is advocating making all guns illegal.
listen to the whole thing if you haven't, the people were given many things and it was easier to take things away from them and all those things taken away gave Hitler a tighter grip and eventually led to what happened in the end, the Holocaust.

Godfather.

this argument has been made by the pro-gun crowd ad nauseum. it's nonsense.

Godfather. · October 2016

so you don't believe we could lose our gun's ? just a few right..... losing any gun rights is too many.

Godfather.

pjhawks · October 2016

Godfather. said:
so you don't believe we could lose our gun's ? just a few right..... losing any gun rights is too many.

Godfather.

we can't get even a little reform of the gun laws through yet you gun nuts think somehow someone is going to take them all away. insane.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

Godfather. said:
so you don't believe we could lose our gun's ? just a few right..... losing any gun rights is too many.

Godfather.

nope. not going to happen. the thing you and many others don't seem to understand is that simply having tighter resctrictions on obtaining guns, making it safer for everyone, has nothing to do with losing any rights. your right to own a firearm is not being infringed upon.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

no different than having to register to vote. is that taking away your right to vote? nope. can you vote out in public or in your backyard? nope. you have to go to a designated spot to do so. you still have the right to vote, but since you can't write your vote down on a piece of gum, is that taking away your rights? nope. you have the right to do it the way it works for everyone involved.

PJPOWER · October 2016

9 Dumbest gun control quotes from politicians and celebrities. 2013 article, but I just found it and wanted to share. Personally the politicians on this list are some who make me cringe when it comes to gun control or any other policy for that matter. I may actually support a few gun control measures if it were not for some of the dumbasses trying to create the laws. Feinstein is the looniest of them all!
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2013/07/9-dumbest-gun-control-quotes-politicians-and-celebrities

Godfather. · October 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:
so you don't believe we could lose our gun's ? just a few right..... losing any gun rights is too many.

Godfather.

nope. not going to happen. the thing you and many others don't seem to understand is that simply having tighter resctrictions on obtaining guns, making it safer for everyone, has nothing to do with losing any rights. your right to own a firearm is not being infringed upon.

that's nonsense ........

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:
so you don't believe we could lose our gun's ? just a few right..... losing any gun rights is too many.

Godfather.

nope. not going to happen. the thing you and many others don't seem to understand is that simply having tighter resctrictions on obtaining guns, making it safer for everyone, has nothing to do with losing any rights. your right to own a firearm is not being infringed upon.
that's nonsense ........

Godfather.

"right to bear arms"

tell me how needing to register your gun prevents you from the right to bear arms.

Godfather. · October 2016

PJPOWER said:
9 Dumbest gun control quotes from politicians and celebrities. 2013 article, but I just found it and wanted to share. Personally the politicians on this list are some who make me cringe when it comes to gun control or any other policy for that matter. I may actually support a few gun control measures if it were not for some of the dumbasses trying to create the laws. Feinstein is the looniest of them all!
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2013/07/9-dumbest-gun-control-quotes-politicians-and-celebrities

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA dumb ass's

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

PJPOWER said:
9 Dumbest gun control quotes from politicians and celebrities. 2013 article, but I just found it and wanted to share. Personally the politicians on this list are some who make me cringe when it comes to gun control or any other policy for that matter. I may actually support a few gun control measures if it were not for some of the dumbasses trying to create the laws. Feinstein is the looniest of them all!
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2013/07/9-dumbest-gun-control-quotes-politicians-and-celebrities

possibly/probably taken out of context, but at face value, yes, most of those are idiotic.

Godfather. · October 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:
9 Dumbest gun control quotes from politicians and celebrities. 2013 article, but I just found it and wanted to share. Personally the politicians on this list are some who make me cringe when it comes to gun control or any other policy for that matter. I may actually support a few gun control measures if it were not for some of the dumbasses trying to create the laws. Feinstein is the looniest of them all!
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2013/07/9-dumbest-gun-control-quotes-politicians-and-celebrities
possibly/probably taken out of context, but at face value, yes, most of those are idiotic.

Danny Glover's was the best, I don't know how you could take that one out of context.

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · October 2016

Godfather. said:

PJPOWER said:
9 Dumbest gun control quotes from politicians and celebrities. 2013 article, but I just found it and wanted to share. Personally the politicians on this list are some who make me cringe when it comes to gun control or any other policy for that matter. I may actually support a few gun control measures if it were not for some of the dumbasses trying to create the laws. Feinstein is the looniest of them all!
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2013/07/9-dumbest-gun-control-quotes-politicians-and-celebrities

PJPOWER said:
9 Dumbest gun control quotes from politicians and celebrities. 2013 article, but I just found it and wanted to share. Personally the politicians on this list are some who make me cringe when it comes to gun control or any other policy for that matter. I may actually support a few gun control measures if it were not for some of the dumbasses trying to create the laws. Feinstein is the looniest of them all!
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2013/07/9-dumbest-gun-control-quotes-politicians-and-celebrities
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA dumb ass's

Godfather.

Dumb ass's what? You've used the possessive here and I'm curious to know what the dumb asses (note the plural version) possess that makes you laugh so hard?

unsung · October 2016

One thing is clear and can't be disputed, a very high majority (>90%) of mass shootings in the US over the last ten years were done in declared "gun-free zones".

Go Beavers · October 2016

unsung said:
One thing is clear and can't be disputed, a very high majority (>90%) of mass shootings in the US over the last ten years were done in declared "gun-free zones".

You're really reaching now, a Breitbart news reference? there's no evidence that shooters choose gun free zones because they're gun free, and most are murder suicides. Hey, but if having a bunch of guns at home makes you feels safer, go for it, just don't shoot any innocent people in the process.

mace1229 · October 2016

Most gun owners would not be against gun registration or valid restrictions on obtaining one. Maybe I'm wrong, but its just my perception that some of the guidelines are just plain stupid which would lead many to believe the laws are written by either someone who knows nothing about guns, or purposely writing lame laws just to make it more difficult even for lawful gun owners.

Feinstein had one of the dumbest comments in the article referenced above (and I doubt there is any context that would make it seem any less dumb), and is known as completely anti-gun to any gun owner in California, and most gun owners believe if she had the ability would remove the right to own guns. She is responsible for several gun laws that are just pointless. She even claimed some of the bans were because the features make the gun look mean (or something very close to that, I'm sure you can Google the exact quote if needed).If you could ban something based just on looks, Keith Richards would never be allowed in this country.

Pointless gun laws would be some features that make a gun illegal like a "shroud that is attached to the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand." So something that prevents the barrel from burning me makes it illegal? You really only need to fire a few rounds for some guns to get hot, not some shooting spree. Sounds more like a safety feature than a weapon of mass murder to me.

Or the fact I have to take a gun safety test every 2 years to purchase a gun. Sounds reasonable at first, until you realize I get to keep all the guns I already own, can use them whenever, could even apply for concealed permits, but unless I pay another $50 to take the safety test again I cant purchase a another one. Seems like a pointless obstacle to me designed to reduce gun sales.

Or a limit of 1 new handgun per month. Again, at the surface you may think why do you need to buy more than 1 a month. But this law only applies to new guns, I could buy 25 used guns and it wont matter. Or sometimes a gun store will have a good sale or a rebate on a gun and I'd like to get a second because its a good deal. Cant do it if its new, even if I already own 20 guns. Doesn't seem logical to me. Again, seems more like it is designed to hurt the business of gun manufactures than anything else, especially since it only applies to new guns. Even a used gun has to go through a gun dealership and they still hold it for the waiting period, so it could just as easily be applied to used guns, but it isn't.

I'm all for registering guns, doing away with the gun show loopholes (which haven't existed in CA in decades) restrictions on high capacity magazines, control armor piercing bullets and things like that. But pointless gun restrictions are often viewed as a method to reduce gun owner's rights and their ability to purchase guns.

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