America's Gun Violence

PJ_Soul

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

Degeneratefk said:

So why shouldn't you have to e able to read to own a gun?

I'm good with that. Just seems like common sense. Should have to be able to read to drive, own a gun, vote, become a citizen, etc...

To vote or drive?? What if someone just had that shitty a life or a learning or mental disability so that they never learned? What if the education system failed them? They shouldn't be able to vote? And for driving, everything driving-related that has to be known by drivers is done with symbols, so there really isn't any reason for someone to know how to read to follow the rules of the road, technically.... Not sure how someone who can't read would get through the written tests though. I would assume there are audio versions, for them and for the blind I guess.

There are plenty of street signs and traffic signs around me that would require reading. Crazy and often confusing no parking signs, accident/construction warnings, etc... I think reading is a more important requirement for driving and voting than for gun ownership, but I'm happy to lump them all in. I'd prefer that people who are blind neither drive, nor own guns.

You know, I was busy when I wrote that and forgot blind people can't drive. But still, I don't think that illiterate should be kept from voting or driving. That simply isn't fair. People who can't read can totally work around the traffic sign issues, and why would you even consider that they can't vote?? I don't get that one. Are you worried that they couldn't read the names and vote wrong? They are capable of memorizing what the name of theor candidate looks like...

Godfather.

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

Degeneratefk

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

Godfather.

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

Degeneratefk

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

Bentleyspop

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

In defense of GF he clearly stated his friend has a "learning disability". This doesn't mean that someone has a "mental disability ". Two different things.

Degeneratefk

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

In defense of GF he clearly stated his friend has a "learning disability". This doesn't mean that someone has a "mental disability ". Two different things.

I'm not arguing your point. But im not sure they're separated by that much.

Godfather.

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

well then to be a citizen is different ? and by the way he he's not suffering from a "mental disability"
thanks Bently.

Godfather.

Bentleyspop

Degeneratefk said:

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

In defense of GF he clearly stated his friend has a "learning disability". This doesn't mean that someone has a "mental disability ". Two different things.

I'm not arguing your point. But im not sure they're separated by that much.

Depression, OCD, BDD, ODD, bi-polar, schyzophrenia, etc are examples of a "mental disability".
Having dyslexia or some other "learning disability" is not the same as a 'mental disability".

Degeneratefk

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

In defense of GF he clearly stated his friend has a "learning disability". This doesn't mean that someone has a "mental disability ". Two different things.

I'm not arguing your point. But im not sure they're separated by that much.

Depression, OCD, BDD, ODD, bi-polar, schyzophrenia, etc are examples of a "mental disability".
Having dyslexia or some other "learning disability" is not the same as a 'mental disability".

I'm not arguing that.

mickeyrat

Degeneratefk said:

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

In defense of GF he clearly stated his friend has a "learning disability". This doesn't mean that someone has a "mental disability ". Two different things.

I'm not arguing your point. But im not sure they're separated by that much.

Depression, OCD, BDD, ODD, bi-polar, schyzophrenia, etc are examples of a "mental disability".
Having dyslexia or some other "learning disability" is not the same as a 'mental disability".

I'm not arguing that.

but you quasi linked the two with the "not too far apart" statement.

Degeneratefk

mickeyrat said:

Degeneratefk said:

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

In defense of GF he clearly stated his friend has a "learning disability". This doesn't mean that someone has a "mental disability ". Two different things.

I'm not arguing your point. But im not sure they're separated by that much.

Depression, OCD, BDD, ODD, bi-polar, schyzophrenia, etc are examples of a "mental disability".
Having dyslexia or some other "learning disability" is not the same as a 'mental disability".

I'm not arguing that.

but you quasi linked the two with the "not too far apart" statement.

http://www.learningdisabilities.org.uk/help-information/Learning-Disability-Statistics-/187699/

Degeneratefk

I'm not arguing they are the same. All I'm saying is that there is a link between the 2.

mickeyrat

Degeneratefk said:

I'm not arguing they are the same. All I'm saying is that there is a link between the 2.

ok. I see where you are coming from now.

well, then , the folks that would fall into those kinds of demographics can just purchase privately. you know, verbal contract stuff, no background checks. no reading involved. where theres a will theres a way , right?

PJ_Soul

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

What are ridiculous arguments? I didn't make any argument for not speaking English in America. I said that would make life harder for them. I was just telling you what happens. Anyway, the language conversation was about whether or not people are legally required to speak English in the US, which was your premise. The answer is no. 100% no.

PJ_Soul

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

In defense of GF he clearly stated his friend has a "learning disability". This doesn't mean that someone has a "mental disability ". Two different things.

Absolutely. MUCH different. If you don't think there is much difference between the two, sorry, you're just plain old wrong. And you need to educate yourself about learning disabilities.

Degeneratefk

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

In defense of GF he clearly stated his friend has a "learning disability". This doesn't mean that someone has a "mental disability ". Two different things.

Absolutely. MUCH different. If you don't think there is much difference between the two, sorry, you're just plain old wrong. And you need to educate yourself about learning disabilities.

Or you can read the link I posted. I didn't say they were the same. I said there is a link between thrm.

Godfather.

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

What are ridiculous arguments? I didn't make any argument for not speaking English in America. I said that would make life harder for them. I was just telling you what happens. Anyway, the language conversation was about whether or not people are legally required to speak English in the US, which was your premise. The answer is no. 100% no.

sorry PJ I was not referring to you....but speaking English is part of the test ...or at least reading and writing it.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

In defense of GF he clearly stated his friend has a "learning disability". This doesn't mean that someone has a "mental disability ". Two different things.

Absolutely. MUCH different. If you don't think there is much difference between the two, sorry, you're just plain old wrong. And you need to educate yourself about learning disabilities.

Or you can read the link I posted. I didn't say they were the same. I said there is a link between thrm.

so there is a missing link ! LOL !

Godfather.

OffSheGoes35

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

ridiculous arguments, if a person wants to migrate to America then speaking English should be their first priority, try working with a person or group of people that can't speak English........it sucks !
but back to the original question, learning to read before gun ownership ? ...it kind of helps when your filling out the forms when buying a gun
because as we all know a simple cash exchange when buying a gun just don't happen anymore Unless your buying off the black market.
a guy I grew up with has a learning disability and couldn't read or write a word(still can't) but has a very successful flooring business and his wife dose all his paper work and tax's etc and he has an awesome gun collection he's legally collected, has a drivers lic.owns a nice home and basically has everything he needs or wants (he couldn't even spell his own name)

Godfather.

I don't think he should have a gun or a license.

why ? do you think not being able to read or write affects his judgment with a gun ?

Godfather.

You've already stated he has a mental disability, so that right there should disqualify him to own a gun. I'm not so sure I like people driving with those diabilities. One should be able to read and fill out his own forms to drive and own a gun.

In defense of GF he clearly stated his friend has a "learning disability". This doesn't mean that someone has a "mental disability ". Two different things.

Absolutely. MUCH different. If you don't think there is much difference between the two, sorry, you're just plain old wrong. And you need to educate yourself about learning disabilities.

Or you can read the link I posted. I didn't say they were the same. I said there was a link between them.

Statistics from the link:

•People with learning disabilities demonstrate the complete spectrum of mental health problems, with higher prevalence than found in those without learning disabilities (Source: Mental Health Nursing of Adults with Learning Disabilities

•The prevalence of dementia is much higher amongst older adults with learning disabilities compared to the general population (21.6% vs 5.7% aged 65+) (Source: Cooper, 1997a)

•People with Down's syndrome are at particularly high risk of developing dementia, with an age of onset 30-40 years younger than the general population (Source: Holland et al., 1998).

•Prevalence rates for schizophrenia in people with learning disabilities are approximately three times greater than for the general population (3% vs 1%) (Source: Doody et al., 1998)

•Reported prevalence rates for anxiety and depression amongst people with learning disabilities vary widely, but are generally reported to be at least as prevalent as the general population (Source: Stavrakaki, 1999), and higher amongst people with Down's syndrome (Source: Collacott et al., 1998)

•Challenging behaviours (aggression, destruction, self-injury and others) are shown by 10%-15% of people with learning disabilities, with age-specific prevalence peaking between ages 20 and 49 (Source: Emerson et al.,2001) (Sources taken from Key Highlights of Research Evidence on the Health of People with Learning [Intellectual] Disabilities