America's Gun Violence

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PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://pearljam.com/news/organizers-of-the-concert-across-america-to-end-gun-violence-today-announced-that-eddie-vedder-of-pearl-jam-has-joined-the-lineup-for-the-nationwide-concerts-headliner-event-at-new-yorks-beacon-theatre-on-september-25-the-congressionally-designated-date-t

Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.

There's a lot of nutty people out there.

Don't compare a celebrity's legitimate need for protection from them with the average Joe's paranoid need for an AR15 to protect themselves from the boogeyman.

They have no more right to their self defense than what I do. I can't afford a bodyguard, and I'll also determine my own self defense needs thanksverymuch.

Their threat is more significant and realistic than your's.

C'mon man.

* And hey... I forgot about the impending alien invasion (not the one Trump blathers on about... but the one from infinity and beyond). Guy should be allowed to own some land mines for this... no? I should be able to determine my own self defence yah?

Goofy.

Bullshit, there are plenty of situations that an "average joe" may find themselves in that put them in just as or more significant or realistic threat as "celebrities". Otherwise, restraining orders would not exist. You said it yourself, there are nuts out there that come up with all kinds of reasons to harm others; divorces, child custody battles, money, drugs do not always bring out the best in people.
"alien invasion"... Seriously?

those in the public eye are more susceptible to violence from those they don't know.

So are the elderly, the disabled, the poor...it's all relative. Does that mean a celebrity has more of a right to life than someone else? That's what this conversation is dwindling down to...

Well that's what the conversation should be, they are no better than I am or you are.

Degeneratefk

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Bentleyspop said:

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Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.

Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?

mcgruff10

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://pearljam.com/news/organizers-of-the-concert-across-america-to-end-gun-violence-today-announced-that-eddie-vedder-of-pearl-jam-has-joined-the-lineup-for-the-nationwide-concerts-headliner-event-at-new-yorks-beacon-theatre-on-september-25-the-congressionally-designated-date-t

Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.

Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?

What does that have to do with anything? I m sorry but if a politiciam/celebrity can have the most modern form of technology to protect them than I should be allowed the same to protect my wife and five kids.

unsung

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://pearljam.com/news/organizers-of-the-concert-across-america-to-end-gun-violence-today-announced-that-eddie-vedder-of-pearl-jam-has-joined-the-lineup-for-the-nationwide-concerts-headliner-event-at-new-yorks-beacon-theatre-on-september-25-the-congressionally-designated-date-t

Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.

Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?

Considering his views on the subject if they are armed it would make him quite the hypocrite.

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://pearljam.com/news/organizers-of-the-concert-across-america-to-end-gun-violence-today-announced-that-eddie-vedder-of-pearl-jam-has-joined-the-lineup-for-the-nationwide-concerts-headliner-event-at-new-yorks-beacon-theatre-on-september-25-the-congressionally-designated-date-t

Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.

Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?

Considering his views on the subject if they are armed it would make him quite the hypocrite.

I thought I read somewhere that they are armed... but how would that make him a hypocrite? I never heard that he didn't think security guards or the police shouldn't be armed. I would imagine that he, like most others, is a logical person who understands that certain jobs actually do justify being armed.

unsung

He's been rather outspoken in his views on firearms.

unsung

Remember the harm comment? I do.

Degeneratefk

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Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://pearljam.com/news/organizers-of-the-concert-across-america-to-end-gun-violence-today-announced-that-eddie-vedder-of-pearl-jam-has-joined-the-lineup-for-the-nationwide-concerts-headliner-event-at-new-yorks-beacon-theatre-on-september-25-the-congressionally-designated-date-t

Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.

Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?

Considering his views on the subject if they are armed it would make him quite the hypocrite.

Why?

Godfather.

gun's will never leave the American landscape (thank goodness) if that ever happened we would be come a country of outlaws......then watch what happens, what's good for you may not be good for me but I'll be awfully angry if my rights to bare arms are taken away by some limp wristed political sissy, we should take a look at how many unregistered gun are estimated to be in America and how many registered guns are here as well, taking them away will never happen.

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Godfather. said:

gun's will never leave the American landscape (thank goodness) if that ever happened we would be come a country of outlaws......then watch what happens, what's good for you may not be good for me but I'll be awfully angry if my rights to bare arms are taken away by some limp wristed political sissy, we should take a look at how many unregistered gun are estimated to be in America and how many registered guns are here as well, taking them away will never happen.

Godfather.

The inmates run the asylum.

Nobody wants to take your guns GF. Well... except for your machine guns or handguns.

I was on this site at lunch last week and a colleague looked over my shoulder and saw the armed protestor at Landers' house. He was flabbergasted saying, "Where is that? Can they actually legally carry a gun like that? Can they actually legally own a gun like that? Wtf?"

I answered his questions. I told him they could buy a gun like that at the local sporting goods store. He just shook his head saying, "I knew they were a little f**ked, but not that f**ked. Holy shit."

That's just one man's opinion though.

PJPOWER

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://pearljam.com/news/organizers-of-the-concert-across-america-to-end-gun-violence-today-announced-that-eddie-vedder-of-pearl-jam-has-joined-the-lineup-for-the-nationwide-concerts-headliner-event-at-new-yorks-beacon-theatre-on-september-25-the-congressionally-designated-date-t

Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.

Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?

Considering his views on the subject if they are armed it would make him quite the hypocrite.

I thought I read somewhere that they are armed... but how would that make him a hypocrite? I never heard that he didn't think security guards or the police shouldn't be armed. I would imagine that he, like most others, is a logical person who understands that certain jobs actually do justify being armed.

I'm just at a loss here. The same people that say that guns do not offer any protection are the ones defending people protecting others with guns...can't have it both ways. By the logic of previous posters (not specifically you Pjsoul), a celebrity's life would be at more risk because of the close proximity to firearms... At what point is or is not firearm a valid form of personal protection?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://pearljam.com/news/organizers-of-the-concert-across-america-to-end-gun-violence-today-announced-that-eddie-vedder-of-pearl-jam-has-joined-the-lineup-for-the-nationwide-concerts-headliner-event-at-new-yorks-beacon-theatre-on-september-25-the-congressionally-designated-date-t

Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.

Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?

Considering his views on the subject if they are armed it would make him quite the hypocrite.

I thought I read somewhere that they are armed... but how would that make him a hypocrite? I never heard that he didn't think security guards or the police shouldn't be armed. I would imagine that he, like most others, is a logical person who understands that certain jobs actually do justify being armed.

I'm just at a loss here. The same people that say that guns do not offer any protection are the ones defending people protecting others with guns...can't have it both ways. By the logic of previous posters (not specifically you Pjsoul), a celebrity's life would be at more risk because of the close proximity to firearms... At what point is or is not firearm a valid form of personal protection?

I'm not sure how you've jumped to that?

A celebrity's life is more at risk given the range of mental stability that exists in the massive fan base spectrum.

Guns are certainly necessary given the amount of guns already in existence. At some point in time, proportionately speaking, you might find your country safer with fewer guns lying around waiting to be used.

More guns equals more deaths by guns. The statistic is irrefutable. Dance around it all you want, but its a losing argument.

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Godfather. said:

gun's will never leave the American landscape (thank goodness) if that ever happened we would be come a country of outlaws......then watch what happens, what's good for you may not be good for me but I'll be awfully angry if my rights to bare arms are taken away by some limp wristed political sissy, we should take a look at how many unregistered gun are estimated to be in America and how many registered guns are here as well, taking them away will never happen.

Godfather.

The inmates run the asylum.

Nobody wants to take your guns GF. Well... except for your machine guns or handguns.

I was on this site at lunch last week and a colleague looked over my shoulder and saw the armed protestor at Landers' house. He was flabbergasted saying, "Where is that? Can they actually legally carry a gun like that? Can they actually legally own a gun like that? Wtf?"

I answered his questions. I told him they could buy a gun like that at the local sporting goods store. He just shook his head saying, "I knew they were a little f**ked, but not that f**ked. Holy shit."

That's just one man's opinion though.

Sounds like a wuss.

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://pearljam.com/news/organizers-of-the-concert-across-america-to-end-gun-violence-today-announced-that-eddie-vedder-of-pearl-jam-has-joined-the-lineup-for-the-nationwide-concerts-headliner-event-at-new-yorks-beacon-theatre-on-september-25-the-congressionally-designated-date-t

Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.

Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?

Considering his views on the subject if they are armed it would make him quite the hypocrite.

I thought I read somewhere that they are armed... but how would that make him a hypocrite? I never heard that he didn't think security guards or the police shouldn't be armed. I would imagine that he, like most others, is a logical person who understands that certain jobs actually do justify being armed.

I'm just at a loss here. The same people that say that guns do not offer any protection are the ones defending people protecting others with guns...can't have it both ways. By the logic of previous posters (not specifically you Pjsoul), a celebrity's life would be at more risk because of the close proximity to firearms... At what point is or is not firearm a valid form of personal protection?

I'm not sure how you've jumped to that?

A celebrity's life is more at risk given the range of mental stability that exists in the massive fan base spectrum.

Guns are certainly necessary given the amount of guns already in existence. At some point in time, proportionately speaking, you might find your country safer with fewer guns lying around waiting to be used.

More guns equals more deaths by guns. The statistic is irrefutable. Dance around it all you want, but its a losing argument.

Getting tired of the "guns=more deaths by guns" rhetoric. Anyone could also say "more guns=more lives saved by guns" or "more burglars stopped by guns" or "more deer harvested by guns". I for one believe that deaths from guns is not "always" a bad thing. If someone dies because they were breaking into a house to rape a grandma and were shot by her, then I for one am glad for that death by gun. The situations vary, but "more gun deaths" is not 100% negative relative to the reasoning behind the shooting. Less guns=less people defending themselves with guns, etc, etc, etc.
Similar to saying "more water=more deaths by water" discounting that more water also = less people being thirsty...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Godfather. said:

gun's will never leave the American landscape (thank goodness) if that ever happened we would be come a country of outlaws......then watch what happens, what's good for you may not be good for me but I'll be awfully angry if my rights to bare arms are taken away by some limp wristed political sissy, we should take a look at how many unregistered gun are estimated to be in America and how many registered guns are here as well, taking them away will never happen.

Godfather.

The inmates run the asylum.

Nobody wants to take your guns GF. Well... except for your machine guns or handguns.

I was on this site at lunch last week and a colleague looked over my shoulder and saw the armed protestor at Landers' house. He was flabbergasted saying, "Where is that? Can they actually legally carry a gun like that? Can they actually legally own a gun like that? Wtf?"

I answered his questions. I told him they could buy a gun like that at the local sporting goods store. He just shook his head saying, "I knew they were a little f**ked, but not that f**ked. Holy shit."

That's just one man's opinion though.

Sounds like a wuss.

He's shredded. No shit.

Just taken aback by the sight of some Cletus with a machine gun strapped to his shoulder in some residential neighborhood is all.

It's nuts in case you've never stopped to think about it. F**king absolutely nuts.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

And before the slack jawed yokels get on here telling me 'you ain't even know what a machine gun is'... I reckon I tossed it in there for effect.

PJPOWER

I actually think it would be pretty idiotic strategically and practically for someone to go running around with an ar-15 over their shoulder everywhere they go too. Personal protection wise, it just puts attention on you. That being said, I don't really think it's a widespread problem. Sure there are some that do it in protest and as a display of rights, and are usually questioned by law enforcement to be sure they are maintaining propper safety procedures.
My issue and support for the right to open carry comes in where I don't think it would be right for someone to be arrested if they are seen carrying a gun to/from their car or house, while on their way to a hunt, or to/from practicing at the range, etc. There are people out there who would like nothing better than to call the cops on everyone they see carrying a shotgun out in a field for a bird hunt. Plenty of people harassing hunters who are legally and safely exercising their rights the way it is. Again, I'm not one for strapping on an ar-15 in my daily wardrobe, but I can see how anti-gun displaying laws could be pretty intrusive and abused.

PP193448

Sometimes guns are used for killing the bad guys...
http://fox4kc.com/2016/09/13/second-suspect-arrested-and-charged-in-shawnee-wal-mart-shooting/

So those of you who strongly oppose guns wouldn't be thanking the law abiding citizen from saving more deaths by shooting the criminal before the police could ever show up...

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Godfather. said:

gun's will never leave the American landscape (thank goodness) if that ever happened we would be come a country of outlaws......then watch what happens, what's good for you may not be good for me but I'll be awfully angry if my rights to bare arms are taken away by some limp wristed political sissy, we should take a look at how many unregistered gun are estimated to be in America and how many registered guns are here as well, taking them away will never happen.

Godfather.

The inmates run the asylum.

Nobody wants to take your guns GF. Well... except for your machine guns or handguns.

I was on this site at lunch last week and a colleague looked over my shoulder and saw the armed protestor at Landers' house. He was flabbergasted saying, "Where is that? Can they actually legally carry a gun like that? Can they actually legally own a gun like that? Wtf?"

I answered his questions. I told him they could buy a gun like that at the local sporting goods store. He just shook his head saying, "I knew they were a little f**ked, but not that f**ked. Holy shit."

That's just one man's opinion though.

Sounds like a wuss.

He's shredded. No shit.

Just taken aback by the sight of some Cletus with a machine gun strapped to his shoulder in some residential neighborhood is all.

It's nuts in case you've never stopped to think about it. F**king absolutely nuts.

Well, my personal tool of choice is a Glock 17 with a few mags but I'm not the type to have an issue with someone that chooses differently.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PP193448 said:

Sometimes guns are used for killing the bad guys...
http://fox4kc.com/2016/09/13/second-suspect-arrested-and-charged-in-shawnee-wal-mart-shooting/

So those of you who strongly oppose guns wouldn't be thanking the law abiding citizen from saving more deaths by shooting the criminal before the police could ever show up...

Given the reality... of course we'd be thanking the 'good guys'.

Mathematics will tell you that it's inevitable there are going to be some success stories sprinkled in with all the tragedies. They are not even remotely comparable if you wish to consider the ratios though.