America's Gun Violence

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    edited June 2016
    Stickman12 said:

    The ISIS thing must be a late April fools joke then? he was christian then right?? and the FBI was watching him for shits and giggles? now this is making sense.

    His father is a Taliban supporter, which I think is why this guy was on the watch list and investigated, and then he was taken off of it because there was no evidence ever found against him suggesting that he was involved in terrorist activity (and there still isn't, if we're talking ties to a terrorist group or any kind of organizing on his part. This guy seems to have just been a wacked out lone wolf with a sexual identity crisis and a fucked up dad).
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJ_Soul said:

    Stickman12 said:

    The ISIS thing must be a late April fools joke then? he was christian then right?? and the FBI was watching him for shits and giggles? now this is making sense.

    His father is a Taliban supporter, which I think is why this guy was on the watch list and investigated, and then he was taken off of it because there was no evidence ever found against him suggesting that he was involved in terrorist activity (and there still isn't, if we're talking ties to a terrorist group or any kind of organizing on his part. This guy seems to have just been a wacked out lone wolf with a sexual identity crisis and a fucked up dad).
    Seems to make perfect sense... what you say.

    His father was a Taliban supporter, but likely never shared his extremist views with his son... so it's highly improbable the idiot inherited the same, or similar views.

    He was a person of interest and on the watch list.

    He pledged his allegiance to ISIS , but not with enough notice for everyone to take him seriously - or for anyone to take him down prior to his event.

    Yah. This is just a case of a crazy guy. It has nothing at all to do with extreme religious views.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Stickman12 said:

    The ISIS thing must be a late April fools joke then? he was christian then right?? and the FBI was watching him for shits and giggles? now this is making sense.

    His father is a Taliban supporter, which I think is why this guy was on the watch list and investigated, and then he was taken off of it because there was no evidence ever found against him suggesting that he was involved in terrorist activity (and there still isn't, if we're talking ties to a terrorist group or any kind of organizing on his part. This guy seems to have just been a wacked out lone wolf with a sexual identity crisis and a fucked up dad).
    Seems to make perfect sense... what you say.

    His father was a Taliban supporter, but likely never shared his extremist views with his son... so it's highly improbable the idiot inherited the same, or similar views.

    He was a person of interest and on the watch list.

    He pledged his allegiance to ISIS , but not with enough notice for everyone to take him seriously - or for anyone to take him down prior to his event.

    Yah. This is just a case of a crazy guy. It has nothing at all to do with extreme religious views.
    I sense sarcasm
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    tempo_n_groove said:

    rgambs said:

    One of my dipshit neighbors was shooting his new "Obama gun" today. Fucking annoying.

    He's a blowhard whom likes his own voice?
    Nice try, but that would more appropriately describe "Trump gun".

    An "Obama gun" is a new assault rifle that a paranoid idiot goes and buys after a mass shooting because he thinks it's his last chance...for the 5th time in 7 years.
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Hawaii passed a law that enters all gun owners in an FBI database. Authorities are alerted when a Hawaiian gun owners is arrested anywhere in the US.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/us/hawaii-gun-owner-database/index.html
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  • Stickman12
    Stickman12 Posts: 504
    edited June 2016
    rgambs said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    rgambs said:

    One of my dipshit neighbors was shooting his new "Obama gun" today. Fucking annoying.

    He's a blowhard whom likes his own voice?
    Nice try, but that would more appropriately describe "Trump gun".

    An "Obama gun" is a new assault rifle that a paranoid idiot goes and buys after a mass shooting because he thinks it's his last chance...for the 5th time in 7 years.
    Obama has been the best gun salesman in the past 8 years
  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    an 18 year old was killed not far from where I live yesterday. His parents Facebook page read.... "We LOVE GUNS, GOD AND AMERICA...." wonder if they will change that now???
    "The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
     


  • Stickman12
    Stickman12 Posts: 504
    Degeneratefk said:

    Hawaii passed a law that enters all gun owners in an FBI database. Authorities are alerted when a Hawaiian gun owners is arrested anywhere in the US.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/us/hawaii-gun-owner-database/index.html

    This will be challenged. Section 103(i) in the Brady Law

    (i) PROHIBITION RELATING TO ESTABLISHMENT OF REGISTRATION SYSTEMS WITH RESPECT TO FIREARMS- No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may--

    (1) require that any record or portion thereof generated by the system established under this section be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or
    (2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922 (g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code or State law, from receiving a firearm.

    Just saying.....Just saying
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Stickman12 said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    Hawaii passed a law that enters all gun owners in an FBI database. Authorities are alerted when a Hawaiian gun owners is arrested anywhere in the US.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/us/hawaii-gun-owner-database/index.html

    This will be challenged. Section 103(i) in the Brady Law

    (i) PROHIBITION RELATING TO ESTABLISHMENT OF REGISTRATION SYSTEMS WITH RESPECT TO FIREARMS- No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may--

    (1) require that any record or portion thereof generated by the system established under this section be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or
    (2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922 (g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code or State law, from receiving a firearm.

    Just saying.....Just saying
    I didn't read that the weapons are being registered. Just the the owner will be entered into a database and if he/she is arrested, the authorities will be alerted.

    Seems like a good start. If someone legally purchases a gun, then is convicted of a felony, the cops know that he/she should not be allowed to own a hundred anymore.
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    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    4-year-old N.J. boy accidentally shot dead by brother
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/4-year-old-new-jersey-boy-accidentally-shot-dead-by-brother/
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Stickman12 said:

    rgambs said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    rgambs said:

    One of my dipshit neighbors was shooting his new "Obama gun" today. Fucking annoying.

    He's a blowhard whom likes his own voice?
    Nice try, but that would more appropriately describe "Trump gun".

    An "Obama gun" is a new assault rifle that a paranoid idiot goes and buys after a mass shooting because he thinks it's his last chance...for the 5th time in 7 years.
    Obama has been the best gun salesman in the past 8 years
    Low IQ has been the best gun salesman in the past 8 years lol
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Stickman12 said:

    The ISIS thing must be a late April fools joke then? he was christian then right?? and the FBI was watching him for shits and giggles? now this is making sense.

    His father is a Taliban supporter, which I think is why this guy was on the watch list and investigated, and then he was taken off of it because there was no evidence ever found against him suggesting that he was involved in terrorist activity (and there still isn't, if we're talking ties to a terrorist group or any kind of organizing on his part. This guy seems to have just been a wacked out lone wolf with a sexual identity crisis and a fucked up dad).
    Seems to make perfect sense... what you say.

    His father was a Taliban supporter, but likely never shared his extremist views with his son... so it's highly improbable the idiot inherited the same, or similar views.

    He was a person of interest and on the watch list.

    He pledged his allegiance to ISIS , but not with enough notice for everyone to take him seriously - or for anyone to take him down prior to his event.

    Yah. This is just a case of a crazy guy. It has nothing at all to do with extreme religious views.
    I never said I didn't think the dad didn't pass his feelings to his son. I'd say he obviously did (which must have been very confusing and upsetting for a gay Muslim). I am simply talking about why the shooter was on the watch list (and then removed).
    You seem to be misinterpreting what I'm saying btw (or ignoring some of what I've said) if you think I am saying he didn't have any extremist views.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Stickman12 said:

    The ISIS thing must be a late April fools joke then? he was christian then right?? and the FBI was watching him for shits and giggles? now this is making sense.

    His father is a Taliban supporter, which I think is why this guy was on the watch list and investigated, and then he was taken off of it because there was no evidence ever found against him suggesting that he was involved in terrorist activity (and there still isn't, if we're talking ties to a terrorist group or any kind of organizing on his part. This guy seems to have just been a wacked out lone wolf with a sexual identity crisis and a fucked up dad).
    Seems to make perfect sense... what you say.

    His father was a Taliban supporter, but likely never shared his extremist views with his son... so it's highly improbable the idiot inherited the same, or similar views.

    He was a person of interest and on the watch list.

    He pledged his allegiance to ISIS , but not with enough notice for everyone to take him seriously - or for anyone to take him down prior to his event.

    Yah. This is just a case of a crazy guy. It has nothing at all to do with extreme religious views.
    I never said I didn't think the dad didn't pass his feelings to his son. I'd say he obviously did (which must have been very confusing and upsetting for a gay Muslim). I am simply talking about why the shooter was on the watch list (and then removed).
    You seem to be misinterpreting what I'm saying btw (or ignoring some of what I've said) if you think I am saying he didn't have any extremist views.
    Well forgive me for doing so. Your posts seemed to attribute motive to personal crisis with extremist ideology 'slightly' factored in.

    I'm of the opinion it was a nice blend of all... and it sounds as if you are too with this response.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    He was an evil, confused terrorist that killed a bunch of unarmed people.

    You can discuss and dissect motive all day long but ultimately, he was a fucking asshole.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited June 2016
    dudeman said:

    He was an evil, confused terrorist that killed a bunch of unarmed people.

    You can discuss and dissect motive all day long but ultimately, he was a fucking asshole.

    Not an Islamic Terrorist..just a mental case.... he pledged allegiance not only to ISIS, but Hummas and Al Queda... that's like pledging allegiance to the NY Yankees and Boston Red Sox...makes zero sense.

    He didn't get more religious
    He didn't change his clothing/look
    He was a guy that had self loathing because of his father and religion from being gay.. period..
    Giving ISIS credit for this is ridiculous.

    He was mentally ill...religion told him he was bad... add you can buy an AR15 in 7 whole minutes in Florida. Recipe for another Mass Shooting
    Post edited by myoung321 on
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    myoung321 said:

    dudeman said:

    He was an evil, confused terrorist that killed a bunch of unarmed people.

    You can discuss and dissect motive all day long but ultimately, he was a fucking asshole.

    Not an Islamic Terrorist..just a mental case.... he pledged allegiance not only to ISIS, but Hummas and Al Queda... that's like pledging allegiance to the NY Yankees and Boston Red Sox...makes zero sense.

    He didn't get more religious
    He didn't change his clothing/look
    He was a guy that had self loathing because of his father and religion from being gay.. period..
    Giving ISIS credit for this is ridiculous.

    He was mentally ill...religion told him he was bad... add you can buy an AR15 in 7 whole minutes in Florida. Recipe for another Mass Shooting
    Mentally ill? I haven't heard this.

    And the first part of your submission seems to scoff at the notion of religion playing any part in motive, but the last part speaks to religion as a causal factor.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    Didn't he specifically say to 911 that his actions were retaliation for the US bombing his country?

    Regardless of the group or groups he pledged allegiance to, he acted on behalf of politics.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    myoung321 said:

    dudeman said:

    He was an evil, confused terrorist that killed a bunch of unarmed people.

    You can discuss and dissect motive all day long but ultimately, he was a fucking asshole.

    Not an Islamic Terrorist..just a mental case.... he pledged allegiance not only to ISIS, but Hummas and Al Queda... that's like pledging allegiance to the NY Yankees and Boston Red Sox...makes zero sense.

    He didn't get more religious
    He didn't change his clothing/look
    He was a guy that had self loathing because of his father and religion from being gay.. period..
    Giving ISIS credit for this is ridiculous.

    He was mentally ill...religion told him he was bad... add you can buy an AR15 in 7 whole minutes in Florida. Recipe for another Mass Shooting
    I get really irked at the trend to blame any violence, particularly mass violence, on mental illness. Most of the time it's due to more mundane, pedestrian motives like anger, resentment, jealousy, and shame. Don't bring even more difficulties to those struggling with actual mental illness.
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  • Stickman12
    Stickman12 Posts: 504
    You can't pledge allegiance to ISIS, commit mass murder, then have the allegiance questioned as authentic or not. I do not know all the details but the influence of a terrorist organization should not be downplayed.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    So I do not know how I overlooked this report based off of a CDC study done after Obama's executive order in 2013. Number 7 on the list of findings is hard to ignore...
    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html
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