America's Gun Violence

rr165892

unsung said:

A Federal Judge just ruled that the Washington DC ban on concealed carry is unconstitutional. Police chief just briefed his people that anyone with any state permit can now carry in DC.

The denying of this right is ending.

Are they abiding by the reciprocity that already existist with all of the South,most of the sun belt and a good chunk of the Western/plain states? One CCP regardless of borders?

unsung

Right now they are not arresting anyone with a valid ccw.

mickeyrat

sorry but concealed carry isnt a right.,

brianlux

unsung said:

A Federal Judge just ruled that the Washington DC ban on concealed carry is unconstitutional. Police chief just briefed his people that anyone with any state permit can now carry in DC.

The denying of this right is ending.

Maybe so. Many places in the world and in the U.S. are dangerous. More people want to carry guns. More people will kill each other. Let's keep the focus on the killing and the violence. To do otherwise is to be a stinking hippie. Kill, hate, death, violence is the only way.

Gern Blansten

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pregnant-woman-dies-accidental-shooting

unsung

mickeyrat said:

sorry but concealed carry isnt a right.,

4 out of 5 judges disagree.

brianlux

unsung said:

mickeyrat said:

sorry but concealed carry isnt a right.,

4 out of 5 judges disagree.

Rights can be wrong.

unsung

I think there is more than one minority group that has heard that before.

brianlux

Can't argue with that.

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

unsung said:

A Federal Judge just ruled that the Washington DC ban on concealed carry is unconstitutional. Police chief just briefed his people that anyone with any state permit can now carry in DC.

The denying of this right is ending.

Maybe so. Many places in the world and in the U.S. are dangerous. More people want to carry guns. More people will kill each other. Let's keep the focus on the killing and the violence. To do otherwise is to be a stinking hippie. Kill, hate, death, violence is the only way.

when does congress season start? Are we now going to have to shell out for protection of our "leaders" ?

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

unsung said:

A Federal Judge just ruled that the Washington DC ban on concealed carry is unconstitutional. Police chief just briefed his people that anyone with any state permit can now carry in DC.

The denying of this right is ending.

Maybe so. Many places in the world and in the U.S. are dangerous. More people want to carry guns. More people will kill each other. Let's keep the focus on the killing and the violence. To do otherwise is to be a stinking hippie. Kill, hate, death, violence is the only way.

when does congress season start? Are we now going to have to shell out for protection of our "leaders" ?

Fairly certain we already do that.

Congress generally convenes January 3rd.

rr165892

Gern Blansten said:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pregnant-woman-dies-accidental-shooting

Saw it on our news this weekend .Fucking tragic.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

A Federal Judge just ruled that the Washington DC ban on concealed carry is unconstitutional. Police chief just briefed his people that anyone with any state permit can now carry in DC.

The denying of this right is ending.

Pshew. Finally. Geez.

Now those tightly wired, suspicious types can prepare to pull their weapon from their jacket and defend themselves against others that are: walking towards them on the sidewalk and have a different color than them... suspiciously looking at them and reaching into their jackets... arguing with them in a theater... cutting them off in traffic... or whatever- I mean, the list is endless that people need to be prepared for with their guns.

Good news.

unsung

Ah, the liberal "Wild West" myth that hasn't happened since they started saying it thirty years ago.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Ah, the liberal "Wild West" myth that hasn't happened since they started saying it thirty years ago.

No. You're wrong. Again. The ridiculous examples I used are all actual examples that have been illustrated in the many gun threads.

unsung

Whatever. Point to a reliable and unbiased study that says crime increased. I won't wait because it doesn't exist.

Meanwhile the FBI statistics show that when DC banned handguns crime increased, and when the Heller decision was handed down crime rates went down.

Somehow I think you're the type of guy that calls a climate rainy because it rained one day out of 365.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Whatever. Point to a reliable and unbiased study that says crime increased. I won't wait because it doesn't exist.

Meanwhile the FBI statistics show that when DC banned handguns crime increased, and when the Heller decision was handed down crime rates went down.

Somehow I think you're the type of guy that calls a climate rainy because it rained one day out of 365.

Whatever? hahahaha... that's what my teenager says when he's being insolent upon being pointed out as wrong. I guess my post scored a few points!

As to your first point... huh? Take a few moments to provide some context for such utterings.

To your second point... no gun reform has any chance of success within a year, two years, or even five years. The only way to measure any success is through a longitudinal study given the appropriate time to allow for reforms to make the impact intended. I suggest looking at other countries who adopted gun reform measures and the successes they have had after decades of the implementation (Canada and the UK are two off the top of my head).

To your third point... I offer a counter: somehow I think you're the kind of guy that when someone says, the United States has the highest gun ownership rate in the world and the highest per capita rate of firearm-related murders of all developed countries (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/)... you blame the police for this fact.

Oh wait... you do. I remember you saying, "If the police would just do their job."

And when someone points out that the number of gun deaths typically exceed 32,000 per annum in your country, you blame... hmmm. I'm not even sure who you you'd blame for this whopper. Maybe the 'other guy' (the irresponsible gun owners who right up to the moment their gun killed someone were part of the responsible gun owners).

callen

Gun crime is down but we're adding millions of guns so let's see where we stand in 10 years.

mickeyrat

a mans got to fill his time somehow , doesnt he? His last security gig worked out well, soooooo

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/29/george-zimmerman-volunteers-as-security-guard-at-fl-gun-store-what-could-go-wrong/

George Zimmerman volunteers as security guard at FL gun store. What could go wrong?
By Tom Boggioni
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 13:46 EDT
George Zimmerman mugshot via Seminole County Sheriff’s Office


George Zimmerman, the former neighborhood watch volunteer acquitted in the shooting death of teenager Trayvon Martin, told police he was working night security at a Florida gun dealer after being discovered sitting in his truck outside the store after midnight Sunday evening.

According to the Daytona Beach News-Journal, Zimmerman was questioned in front of Pompano Pat’s, a retailer specializing in guns, ammunition, and motorcycles located in Deland.

Pompano Pat’s is owned by Pat Johnson, currently running for DeLand mayor.

According to Sgt. Chris Estes, “He said he had permission from Pat Johnson to do night security but our officers could not make contact with Pat Johnson to verify that so we did an information report.”

The police report states that Zimmerman told officers that Johnson asked him if he would leave his dog inside the business, following a recent burglary at the store.

Zimmerman said he stayed for the evening with his dog so he could keep an eye on the business, adding he would be doing night time security for an “indeterminate” time.

The gun sales manager at Pompano Pat’s said Zimmerman is not employed by the the shop.

“George Zimmerman is not an employee of the business and he is not getting paid in any way, shape or form by Pompano Pat’s,” Sam Porter said.

Porter claims he was aware that Zimmerman was outside the store Sunday evening but referred further questions to the owner.

Zimmerman was arrested by police 44 days after a public outcry following the shooting death of Martin, an African-American teen returning home in the dark after purchasing Skittles and iced tea at a local convenience store.

In July of 2013, a Florida jury acquitted Zimmerman of murder charges, believing Zimmerman was attacked by the teen and was in fear for his life.

Since that time, Zimmerman has had several run-ins with the law, including speeding tickets, threatening his now ex-wife and her father, and being charged with aggravated assault with a weapon after barricading himself in his girlfriend’s home. His girlfriend later withdrew the charge and dropped her request for a restraining order.

In late June, a Florida judge tossed out a libel lawsuit Zimmerman filed against NBC Universal, claiming they broadcast an edited phone call attempting to portray him as a racist.

tempo_n_groove

I'm new to the table here but I have to ask "How many legal guns are used in violent crimes"?