I asked one of the sellers on discogs for his "honest" opinion. He told me that avocado sounds pretty good. I love the blue. Looks cool. Would have probably ordered one if my sister hadn't got them. Ill give some feedback as well.
I have bought the Avocado Duel Blue Vinyl for £30 and £3 shipping. Will report back but they do look awesome. The Cover art is darker as someone else mentioned and it feels glossy and quite thick too. The Discs do look great though. I thought I'd try it and for £30 it's not going to bankrupt me. the guy I bought it from is in Barcelona for a week doing a big Record Fair, hopefully he'll pull back some 'real' PJ Vinyl :-)
London, England 06-25-2010, Belfast, Northern Ireland 06-23-2010, Berlin, Germany 07-04-2012, Manchester, UK 06-20-2012, Seattle, WA 12-06-2013, Amsterdam, Holland 06-16-2014, Berlin, Germany 06-26-2014, Leeds, UK 07-08-2014, Milton Keynes, UK 07-11-2014, New York MSG 1 & 2 Eddie Vedder Solo - London, England 07-30-1012
"Today I received the records and I just wanted to give you a quick update on the quality. I have got both, the original vinyls and the replicas and especially the avocado looks very cool. They are brand new, the booklet looks exactly like the original just the cardboard of the gatefold cover is a bit thinner and more glossy. The Yield record's sleve is a bit glossier, too. It also seems they are both a bit darker than the originals and some of the fonts are not exactly identical. But almost. The print quality is not as good as the real deal though and the sleeves feel cheaper in general.
The records look amazing, especially the sparkly blue self titled.
In terms of sound I can say that somebody did a pretty damn good job. I am using a Technics 1210mkII with an Ortofon 2m Blue cartridge on pretty decent amp with great speakers and I know my system. Apparently they took the CD-Masters the originals sound a tiny little bit more open and dynamic than the copies but still they sound extremely nice and I didn't stumble upon any pops or clicks.
Yes, I prefer the real deal, too and instead of paying over 100 bucks for one of these new pressings (which is what they go for on ebay already), it might be better to wait for a nice deal on an original or even for an official repress. If you can get one for a decent price, buy it, it's definitely the work of somebody who knows what they are doing. (and maybe even someone who is a pearl jam fan...:))"
Played my Blue Avocado vinyl and I have to say it really does sound great, tight, clean basically as you would expect a decent piece of vinyl to sound. As above I'm on a pretty good system, yes maybe the original would sound that little bit better but as it stands it would also cost six or seven times as much. Yes I want the original as I do with all PJ vinyl, but this fills a gap for now and it's a bloody good gap filler......if you see it for reasonable money pick one up.....maybe PJ will see this and start to re-issue and please us all!!!
London, England 06-25-2010, Belfast, Northern Ireland 06-23-2010, Berlin, Germany 07-04-2012, Manchester, UK 06-20-2012, Seattle, WA 12-06-2013, Amsterdam, Holland 06-16-2014, Berlin, Germany 06-26-2014, Leeds, UK 07-08-2014, Milton Keynes, UK 07-11-2014, New York MSG 1 & 2 Eddie Vedder Solo - London, England 07-30-1012
Update, no hiss, no crackle, no pops....... If I find the white Yield I'm having it.
London, England 06-25-2010, Belfast, Northern Ireland 06-23-2010, Berlin, Germany 07-04-2012, Manchester, UK 06-20-2012, Seattle, WA 12-06-2013, Amsterdam, Holland 06-16-2014, Berlin, Germany 06-26-2014, Leeds, UK 07-08-2014, Milton Keynes, UK 07-11-2014, New York MSG 1 & 2 Eddie Vedder Solo - London, England 07-30-1012
"The difference between pirated music and counterfeits lies in the way it is presented to the public.
If the label of the media or cover is made to resemble the original as close as possible and thereby deceive the public, it is a counterfeit copy. Usually therefore the cover is made to resemble the original as the cover is usually what is first observed by the public and not the media. In relation to counterfeit music the sound recordings illegally copied onto the disc will almost always be the same as those on the original disc in order to resemble it as close as possible.
If the label of the media or cover doesn't resemble the original or no such original album exists (as it is a compilation of sound recordings of different albums) it is referred to as a pirate copy. In relation to the illegally copied sound recordings it may be the same as that of an original album or may be a compilation of sound recordings from different albums."
So I guess these fall as a Pirate/Counterfeit Album
London, England 06-25-2010, Belfast, Northern Ireland 06-23-2010, Berlin, Germany 07-04-2012, Manchester, UK 06-20-2012, Seattle, WA 12-06-2013, Amsterdam, Holland 06-16-2014, Berlin, Germany 06-26-2014, Leeds, UK 07-08-2014, Milton Keynes, UK 07-11-2014, New York MSG 1 & 2 Eddie Vedder Solo - London, England 07-30-1012
I agree with the counterfeit description. It's pretty much a replica of an original aside from the color of the vinyl. I don't understand the appeal of buying this stuff myself. If it's not sourced from the original masters it's just crap. This stuff is just getting out of hand. In the last couple of weeks I've seen Led Zeppelin II and IV, the first Mercyful Fate EP, and the first Rage Against the Machine all countefeited on colored vinyl. All "imports" from Holland. If people are looking for the supposed magical experience of having these overpriced and over hyped $300 original records to play and are tempted to buy these counterfeits, let me make a suggestion. Put a record on your turntable. Any record it doesn't matter which one. Put in the shittiest pair of headphones you can find and push play on Avocado on your iPod. You will have the same listening experience and you won't be supporting counterfeiting. Now I'm going to put on my Rolexx and go Xerox some Rembrandts at Kinko's. I have some holes in my art collection I need to fill.
I agree with the counterfeit description. It's pretty much a replica of an original aside from the color of the vinyl. I don't understand the appeal of buying this stuff myself. If it's not sourced from the original masters it's just crap. This stuff is just getting out of hand. In the last couple of weeks I've seen Led Zeppelin II and IV, the first Mercyful Fate EP, and the first Rage Against the Machine all countefeited on colored vinyl. All "imports" from Holland. If people are looking for the supposed magical experience of having these overpriced and over hyped $300 original records to play and are tempted to buy these counterfeits, let me make a suggestion. Put a record on your turntable. Any record it doesn't matter which one. Put in the shittiest pair of headphones you can find and push play on Avocado on your iPod. You will have the same listening experience and you won't be supporting counterfeiting. Now I'm going to put on my Rolexx and go Xerox some Rembrandts at Kinko's. I have some holes in my art collection I need to fill.
Do you have one of these colored vinyl records? How do you know the quality?
The sound quality is irrelevant to me. I don't care if these records sound like the band is playing live in my living room. I don't condone counterfeiting and I guess I just don't get the desparation to hear this stuff on vinyl. I honestly believe that people convince themselves that a $300 record sounds better than a $10 one.
The sound quality is irrelevant to me. I don't care if these records sound like the band is playing live in my living room. I don't condone counterfeiting and I guess I just don't get the desparation to hear this stuff on vinyl. I honestly believe that people convince themselves that a $300 record sounds better than a $10 one.
Your argument is conflicting. If a fan can get a high quality record for cheap, one that the band won't rerelease, then why does that make someone desperate? If you have vinyl then you know the cost. The fact you don't understand why people would consider a high quality boot, when the rerelease is still unavailable, is well beyond me. I'm here for the music.
I believe a high quality counterfeit is just that. Not as good as an original and fake. I don't get the appeal. Maybe my desparation comment was off base but when I saw an Avocado that sold locally for $200 that was generously graded VG++/VG++ ( the cover had two bent corners and the vinyl was VG at best) it's just puzzling to me that that kind of money gets thrown around for junk. The same reason I can't understand why people would knowingly buy counterfeits regardless of the quality. The confusion comes in with other bands and other pressings. We all know what these PJ pressings are. When collecting other stuff you really have to pay attention. It makes me sick when people get duped.
Know what would sell me on a bootleg? Turning a double LP into a single. I'd love to have Binaural, riot act, and avocado on just one disc.
EXACTLY! One of the reasons I love vinyl is being able to put the record on and otherwise occupy myself for about 23 minutes before I have to flip it. With reissues being made on 2 discs (talking to you, Vitalogy) you get about 10 to 13 minutes before its time to turn it over. I have an older, scratchy version of Vitalogy on single disc and even with the surface noise I prefer to listen to it over pulling out the two disc reissue and flipping it twice as often.
For me the biggest thing is audio quality. I haven't had a chance to listen to my original avo vinyl yet, and I have to admit my expectations are not that high based on what I heard. However, it was still professionally mastered for vinyl, at least in some regard. The way I see it, there are three possibilities with these counterfeits:
1- They are mastered from the CD 2- They are mastered from the original vinyl 3- They are silicone mold urethane copies from an original vinyl
If it's number one, there are probably some audio issues simply because vinyl requires the cutting engineer to make certain changes. Number two would seem to be the best case scenario, provided it was done with really good equipment. Number three could also be pretty great, but I've heard that a urethane copy does not have exactly the same fidelity as a vinyl original. If I didn't have a hope of finding an original copy, I'd probably be interested in numbers two and three, but I really don't see the point of a vinyl made from a CD.
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Hope I can find a Self Titled in Berlin this Summer!
Just keep an eye on Discogs Spags. Mine was dispatched from Germany today for a total cost of under £30! Even less for Yield. I can't justify paying what people are paying for the originals and I'll still buy any reissues the band put out. These must be worth the small amount I paid for them ignoring any moral issues. This is the alternative some of us have been looking for. Now bring on No Code, Binaural and Riot Act. I'd buy them without hesitation too as I would have to pay £350-400 for them all on ebay.
Like a book among the many on a shelf...
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
Hope I can find a Self Titled in Berlin this Summer!
Just keep an eye on Discogs Spags. Mine was dispatched from Germany today for a total cost of under £30! Even less for Yield. I can't justify paying what people are paying for the originals and I'll still buy any reissues the band put out. These must be worth the small amount I paid for them ignoring any moral issues. This is the alternative some of us have been looking for. Now bring on No Code, Binaural and Riot Act. I'd buy them without hesitation too as I would have to pay £350-400 for them all on ebay.
I haven't heard of discogs spags. Can you elaborate ?
Hope I can find a Self Titled in Berlin this Summer!
Just keep an eye on Discogs Spags. Mine was dispatched from Germany today for a total cost of under £30! Even less for Yield. I can't justify paying what people are paying for the originals and I'll still buy any reissues the band put out. These must be worth the small amount I paid for them ignoring any moral issues. This is the alternative some of us have been looking for. Now bring on No Code, Binaural and Riot Act. I'd buy them without hesitation too as I would have to pay £350-400 for them all on ebay.
I haven't heard of discogs spags. Can you elaborate ?
Spags was just the contributor to the post before mine. Discogs is a website for music collectors. They have official and bootleg releases from all over the world. A better site for Europeans due to shipping costs but it depends what you're after. A bootleg blue Avocado shipped anywhere in the world isn't going to cost you $300 or even close to half of that.
Like a book among the many on a shelf...
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
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I thought I'd try it and for £30 it's not going to bankrupt me.
the guy I bought it from is in Barcelona for a week doing a big Record Fair, hopefully he'll pull back some 'real' PJ Vinyl :-)
Eddie Vedder Solo - London, England 07-30-1012
I don't have 400 for an official so why not
discogs.com/buy/Vinyl/Pearl-Jam-Pearl-Jam/156723240?ev=wh
"Today I received the records and I just wanted to give you a quick update on the quality. I have got both, the original vinyls and the replicas and especially the avocado looks very cool. They are brand new, the booklet looks exactly like the original just the cardboard of the gatefold cover is a bit thinner and more glossy. The Yield record's sleve is a bit glossier, too. It also seems they are both a bit darker than the originals and some of the fonts are not exactly identical. But almost. The print quality is not as good as the real deal though and the sleeves feel cheaper in general.
The records look amazing, especially the sparkly blue self titled.
In terms of sound I can say that somebody did a pretty damn good job. I am using a Technics 1210mkII with an Ortofon 2m Blue cartridge on pretty decent amp with great speakers and I know my system. Apparently they took the CD-Masters the originals sound a tiny little bit more open and dynamic than the copies but still they sound extremely nice and I didn't stumble upon any pops or clicks.
Yes, I prefer the real deal, too and instead of paying over 100 bucks for one of these new pressings (which is what they go for on ebay already), it might be better to wait for a nice deal on an original or even for an official repress. If you can get one for a decent price, buy it, it's definitely the work of somebody who knows what they are doing. (and maybe even someone who is a pearl jam fan...:))"
As above I'm on a pretty good system, yes maybe the original would sound that little bit better but as it stands it would also cost six or seven times as much.
Yes I want the original as I do with all PJ vinyl, but this fills a gap for now and it's a bloody good gap filler......if you see it for reasonable money pick one up.....maybe PJ will see this and start to re-issue and please us all!!!
Eddie Vedder Solo - London, England 07-30-1012
Eddie Vedder Solo - London, England 07-30-1012
Are these illegal? just wondering... just like people that buy and wear counterfeit merchandise, i am sure many will love it.
MedozK
"The difference between pirated music and counterfeits lies in the way it is presented to the public.
If the label of the media or cover is made to resemble the original as close as possible and thereby deceive the public, it is a counterfeit copy. Usually therefore the cover is made to resemble the original as the cover is usually what is first observed by the public and not the media. In relation to counterfeit music the sound recordings illegally copied onto the disc will almost always be the same as those on the original disc in order to resemble it as close as possible.
If the label of the media or cover doesn't resemble the original or no such original album exists (as it is a compilation of sound recordings of different albums) it is referred to as a pirate copy. In relation to the illegally copied sound recordings it may be the same as that of an original album or may be a compilation of sound recordings from different albums."
So I guess these fall as a Pirate/Counterfeit Album
Eddie Vedder Solo - London, England 07-30-1012
Wind this thing up.
Wind this thing up.
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the green looks cool too
1- They are mastered from the CD
2- They are mastered from the original vinyl
3- They are silicone mold urethane copies from an original vinyl
If it's number one, there are probably some audio issues simply because vinyl requires the cutting engineer to make certain changes. Number two would seem to be the best case scenario, provided it was done with really good equipment. Number three could also be pretty great, but I've heard that a urethane copy does not have exactly the same fidelity as a vinyl original. If I didn't have a hope of finding an original copy, I'd probably be interested in numbers two and three, but I really don't see the point of a vinyl made from a CD.
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
Would love a marble green Benny! :bz
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12