20 Years Kurt

JP33

He pulled out of Lollapollza witch would have earned him 9.5 million..............pulling out of that ........cost millions too a lot of people......there is no doubt he was murdered if you really researched

2-feign-reluctance

Like JFK, everyone will have a theory. Latest story confirmed after re-investigation that it was a suicide. I believe it - not just because of what I do for a living either. Just hard to dispute facts.

oysterjar

cdysinge said:

New documentary is about to come out: Trailer looks pretty good. I don't believe even 1% Courtney did anything other than push him to it mentally but will watch it:

http://www.soakedinbleach.com/

New note was released today that was found in Kurt's wallet:

https://music.yahoo.com/blogs/music-news/new-letter-revealed-from-kurt-cobain-s-death-scene--mocks-marriage-to-courtney-love-155042162.html

This will be interesting.

JP33

2-feign-reluctance said:

Like JFK, everyone will have a theory. Latest story confirmed after re-investigation that it was a suicide. I believe it - not just because of what I do for a living either. Just hard to dispute facts.

...There were no finger prints on the gun or the pen......
their is no doubt he was murdered.....Courtney loves own lawyer found a bag that Courtney left at her office ....in the bag .her own lawyer was caught on tape saying that she thinks Courtney has something do with it ....was letters she was practicing .....if you love your husband.........you go to your Seattle Home........Why not also hire an P.I. in Seattle .....instead of L.A. where she was at .....at the time

JP33

2-feign-reluctance said:

Like JFK, everyone will have a theory. Latest story confirmed after re-investigation that it was a suicide. I believe it - not just because of what I do for a living either. Just hard to dispute facts.

There was no Re-investigation. at all ......the police just released pics......that's it ......the case has never been reopened

The Waiting Trophy Man

Kurt Cobain's best friend bought him the shotgun and the bullets. He was depressed and on drugs. He sang about death and suicide. Pretty sure he ended his own life. Any more obvious it could not be.

JP33

The Waiting Trophy Man said:

Kurt Cobain's best friend bought him the shotgun and the bullets. He was depressed and on drugs. He sang about death and suicide. Pretty sure he ended his own life. Any more obvious it could not be.

he bought that shotgun of protection for himself and his family....there was a park next door and people kept coming to his home......If you are going to kill yourself....why put 3 shells in the gun....when you only need one......all three shells did not have prints on them at all ......he did not blow his head off like the media said....it was a 20 guage......their was no exit wound.....another thing......I talked to people that took heroin.....when you take heroin .....you get a high....not a low.......If he wanted to kill himself........why not take a lethal dose of heroin and go to bed with a smile on your face.............and he did indeed had a lethal dose injected him plus diazepam that would double the effect

JP33

JP33 said:

The Waiting Trophy Man said:

Kurt Cobain's best friend bought him the shotgun and the bullets. He was depressed and on drugs. He sang about death and suicide. Pretty sure he ended his own life. Any more obvious it could not be.

he bought that shotgun of protection for himself and his family....there was a park next door and people kept coming to his home......If you are going to kill yourself....why put 3 shells in the gun....when you only need one......all three shells did not have prints on them at all ......he did not blow his head off like the media said....it was a 20 guage......their was no exit wound.....another thing......I talked to people that took heroin.....when you take heroin .....you get a high....not a low.......If he wanted to kill himself........why not take a lethal dose of heroin and go to bed with a smile on your face.............and he did indeed had a lethal dose injected him plus diazepam that would double the effect

The Waiting Trophy Man said:

Kurt Cobain's best friend bought him the shotgun and the bullets. He was depressed and on drugs. He sang about death and suicide. Pretty sure he ended his own life. Any more obvious it could not be. </blockquote singing about death and suicide.........perfect motive for alibi
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jp307677

Courtney Love...just look at her...does she look intelligent enough to pull off a mastermind, full-proof plan to have her celebrity husband murdered and get away with it? End of discussion.

oysterjar

jp307677 said:

Courtney Love...just look at her...does she look intelligent enough to pull off a mastermind, full-proof plan to have her celebrity husband murdered and get away with it? End of discussion.

That is a pretty good point, although enough money and someone else could have planned it.

facepollution

JP33 said:

He pulled out of Lollapollza witch would have earned him 9.5 million..............pulling out of that ........cost millions too a lot of people......there is no doubt he was murdered if you really researched

From what I have read, he turned down Lollapalooza, not pulled out, completely different things.

The only way you could claim "there is no doubt he was murdered" is if there were no other logical ways of explaining the 'facts' you are clinging to - something in this case, which is not possible.

Take the lack of legible fingerprints on the gun, for example. It is in fact quite uncommon for legible prints to be found on a gun:

http://scafo.org/library/130303.html

"In the examination of 1,000 firearms from February, 1992, through August, 1995, 114 identifiable latent prints were developed on 93 firearms. Although successful recovery occurred in approximately one of ten firearms, it should be understood that not all identifiable latent prints may have been left by an offender. Some developed latent prints, for example, are subsequently identified as belonging to a person involved in the collection of the evidence2."

atmospheric conditions, and the finish on the gun can also play a part too.

Oh, and the reason she hired a PI in L.A and not Seattle? Why not? If you are in L.A, looking for a PI, in the days before the internet, it woud be much quicker to find a local one than trying to search for Seattle numbers. More to the point, why would you hire one at all if you were trying to cover up a murder?

Then let's get on to the point of - why would you try your hardest to get Kurt into rehab, a place he could have stayed and got better, if you were planning his murder? Kurt could have gotten a flight to anywhere he wanted. I would imagine that a murder made to look like a suicide would take a fair amount of planning - I highly doubt a part of that plan would be that the victim may or may not turn up.

jp307677

oysterjar said:

jp307677 said:

Courtney Love...just look at her...does she look intelligent enough to pull off a mastermind, full-proof plan to have her celebrity husband murdered and get away with it? End of discussion.

That is a pretty good point, although enough money and someone else could have planned it.

The PD would have had her confessing within an hour if she had anything to do with it or had any knowledge of anything but a suicide.

oysterjar

jp307677 said:

oysterjar said:

jp307677 said:

Courtney Love...just look at her...does she look intelligent enough to pull off a mastermind, full-proof plan to have her celebrity husband murdered and get away with it? End of discussion.

That is a pretty good point, although enough money and someone else could have planned it.

The PD would have had her confessing within an hour if she had anything to do with it or had any knowledge of anything but a suicide.

Im not saying she did it but what are you basing that off of? She is a strung out-stain. Do you think she couldn't lie to cops?

JP33

jp307677 said:

Courtney Love...just look at her...does she look intelligent enough to pull off a mastermind, full-proof plan to have her celebrity husband murdered and get away with it? End of discussion.

Mangement!

oysterjar said:

jp307677 said:

Courtney Love...just look at her...does she look intelligent enough to pull off a mastermind, full-proof plan to have her celebrity husband murdered and get away with it? End of discussion.

That is a pretty good point, although enough money and someone else could have planned it.

JP33

facepollution said:

JP33 said:

He pulled out of Lollapollza witch would have earned him 9.5 million..............pulling out of that ........cost millions too a lot of people......there is no doubt he was murdered if you really researched

From what I have read, he turned down Lollapalooza, not pulled out, completely different things.

The only way you could claim "there is no doubt he was murdered" is if there were no other logical ways of explaining the 'facts' you are clinging to - something in this case, which is not possible.

Take the lack of legible fingerprints on the gun, for example. It is in fact quite uncommon for legible prints to be found on a gun:

http://scafo.org/library/130303.html

"In the examination of 1,000 firearms from February, 1992, through August, 1995, 114 identifiable latent prints were developed on 93 firearms. Although successful recovery occurred in approximately one of ten firearms, it should be understood that not all identifiable latent prints may have been left by an offender. Some developed latent prints, for example, are subsequently identified as belonging to a person involved in the collection of the evidence2."

atmospheric conditions, and the finish on the gun can also play a part too.

Oh, and the reason she hired a PI in L.A and not Seattle? Why not? If you are in L.A, looking for a PI, in the days before the internet, it woud be much quicker to find a local one than trying to search for Seattle numbers. More to the point, why would you hire one at all if you were trying to cover up a murder?

Then let's get on to the point of - why would you try your hardest to get Kurt into rehab, a place he could have stayed and got better, if you were planning his murder? Kurt could have gotten a flight to anywhere he wanted. I would imagine that a murder made to look like a suicide would take a fair amount of planning - I highly doubt a part of that plan would be that the victim may or may not turn up.

Money Talks Dude

JP33

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JP33 said:

facepollution said:

JP33 said:

He pulled out of Lollapollza witch would have earned him 9.5 million..............pulling out of that ........cost millions too a lot of people......there is no doubt he was murdered if you really researched

From what I have read, he turned down Lollapalooza, not pulled out, completely different things.

The only way you could claim "there is no doubt he was murdered" is if there were no other logical ways of explaining the 'facts' you are clinging to - something in this case, which is not possible.

Take the lack of legible fingerprints on the gun, for example. It is in fact quite uncommon for legible prints to be found on a gun:

http://scafo.org/library/130303.html

"In the examination of 1,000 firearms from February, 1992, through August, 1995, 114 identifiable latent prints were developed on 93 firearms. Although successful recovery occurred in approximately one of ten firearms, it should be understood that not all identifiable latent prints may have been left by an offender. Some developed latent prints, for example, are subsequently identified as belonging to a person involved in the collection of the evidence2."

atmospheric conditions, and the finish on the gun can also play a part too.

Oh, and the reason she hired a PI in L.A and not Seattle? Why not? If you are in L.A, looking for a PI, in the days before the internet, it woud be much quicker to find a local one than trying to search for Seattle numbers. More to the point, why would you hire one at all if you were trying to cover up a murder?

Then let's get on to the point of - why would you try your hardest to get Kurt into rehab, a place he could have stayed and got better, if you were planning his murder? Kurt could have gotten a flight to anywhere he wanted. I would imagine that a murder made to look like a suicide would take a fair amount of planning - I highly doubt a part of that plan would be that the victim may or may not turn up.

Money Talks Dude

JP33

Everybody knows this was going to go down.....Including Management and Courtney ......The electrician made a remark "look like his hair was combed" ....might not mean anything ......but never heard about that all in other cases.....She Called to get the security lights checked on the greenhouse....why just the greenhouse........So his body was found.....not by the P.I. .....another thing .......if Courtney wanted to find him..........just call .....like a said the mail Nanny or his friends up in Seattle to look for him

facepollution

She did ask the nanny to look for him, but he would not have had the tracking skills a PI would have had at the time. It's easy to judge the situation now in hindsight since we know the outcome, but him disappearing did not necessarily indicate the grave outcome at the time - he had just disappeared, and she obviously, out of concern, wanted to know where he was.

JP33, I can see that no amount of common sense debate is going to change your mind, no matter how tenuous, convoluted or flat out ridiculous these theories are. This is the problem with conspiracy theorists - when somebody gives a completely legitimate and logical explanation for something, the theorist is so commited to their version of events that they couldn't accept the common sense explanation even if they wanted to.

JP33

facepollution said:

She did ask the nanny to look for him, but he would not have had the tracking skills a PI would have had at the time. It's easy to judge the situation now in hindsight since we know the outcome, but him disappearing did not necessarily indicate the grave outcome at the time - he had just disappeared, and she obviously, out of concern, wanted to know where he was.

JP33, I can see that no amount of common sense debate is going to change your mind, no matter how tenuous, convoluted or flat out ridiculous these theories are. This is the problem with conspiracy theorists - when somebody gives a completely legitimate and logical explanation for something, the theorist is so commited to their version of events that they couldn't accept the common sense explanation even if they wanted to.

I am talking Murder Theory .....not Conspiracy

JP33

JP33 said:

facepollution said:

She did ask the nanny to look for him, but he would not have had the tracking skills a PI would have had at the time. It's easy to judge the situation now in hindsight since we know the outcome, but him disappearing did not necessarily indicate the grave outcome at the time - he had just disappeared, and she obviously, out of concern, wanted to know where he was.

JP33, I can see that no amount of common sense debate is going to change your mind, no matter how tenuous, convoluted or flat out ridiculous these theories are. This is the problem with conspiracy theorists - when somebody gives a completely legitimate and logical explanation for something, the theorist is so commited to their version of events that they couldn't accept the common sense explanation even if they wanted to.

I am talking Murder Theory .....not Conspiracy

facepollution said:

She did ask the nanny to look for him, but he would not have had the tracking skills a PI would have had at the time. It's easy to judge the situation now in hindsight since we know the outcome, but him disappearing did not necessarily indicate the grave outcome at the time - he had just disappeared, and she obviously, out of concern, wanted to know where he was.

JP33, I can see that no amount of common sense debate is going to change your mind, no matter how tenuous, convoluted or flat out ridiculous these theories are. This is the problem with conspiracy theorists - when somebody gives a completely legitimate and logical explanation for something, the theorist is so commited to their version of events that they couldn't accept the common sense explanation even if they wanted to.