20 Years Kurt

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  • SDHSClassof82
    SDHSClassof82 Seattle Posts: 306
    jomary said:

    Poor guy, just another reason why you should't marry a stripper.

    Actually I think it's just another reason you shouldn't use heroin.
    “Wind in my hair, I feel part of everywhere...
    Late at night I hear the trees, they're singing with the dead...overhead...”
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,676
    Kurt Cobain and Nirvana and the fans who made it happen were one of the best things you all's generation brought to the world. I'm thankful for that.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • DEMON CLEANER
    DEMON CLEANER Posts: 242
    12 years we lost another great frontman layne stayley.
    Rip to both you guys
    COYS!
  • EarlWelsh
    EarlWelsh Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,127
    I actually think that bit in PJ20 where Neil's voice is heard saying 'I told him to just drop all his shit, quit everything' or whatever is actually in reference to Kurt and not having the chance to tell him that before he died.
  • EarlWelsh
    EarlWelsh Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,127
    FrankY59 said:

    I read somewhere Neil Young regretting not being able to talk to Kurt in which he nearly had a chance very close to before he died. It was basically the same speech given to Eddie as depicted in PJ20. He still wonders if it would've saved him.

    I actually think that bit in PJ20 where Neil's voice is heard saying 'I told him to just drop all his shit, quit everything' or whatever is actually in reference to Kurt and not having the chance to tell him that before he died.
  • oysterjar
    oysterjar NH Posts: 1,235
    EarlWelsh said:

    FrankY59 said:

    I read somewhere Neil Young regretting not being able to talk to Kurt in which he nearly had a chance very close to before he died. It was basically the same speech given to Eddie as depicted in PJ20. He still wonders if it would've saved him.

    I actually think that bit in PJ20 where Neil's voice is heard saying 'I told him to just drop all his shit, quit everything' or whatever is actually in reference to Kurt and not having the chance to tell him that before he died.
    He stated that's what he was going to tell him but never got the chance.
    Wind this thing up.

  • Pap
    Pap Serres, Greece Posts: 30,056
    edited April 2014
    DEMON CLEANER said:

    12 years we lost another great frontman layne stayley.
    Rip to both you guys


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB_9GB3G86A
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  • EarlWelsh
    EarlWelsh Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,127
    oysterjar said:

    EarlWelsh said:

    FrankY59 said:

    I read somewhere Neil Young regretting not being able to talk to Kurt in which he nearly had a chance very close to before he died. It was basically the same speech given to Eddie as depicted in PJ20. He still wonders if it would've saved him.

    I actually think that bit in PJ20 where Neil's voice is heard saying 'I told him to just drop all his shit, quit everything' or whatever is actually in reference to Kurt and not having the chance to tell him that before he died.
    He stated that's what he was going to tell him but never got the chance.
    Yeah, that's right. My bad.
  • oysterjar
    oysterjar NH Posts: 1,235
    No prob. I just remembered it clearly wondering whether or not Kurt would have cared. He had fallen so far at that point and his wife was/is useless.
    Wind this thing up.

  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    edited April 2014
    I think Kurt's brilliance wouldve been lost on most people had he lived. Kids would treat Nirvana the same they do REM or PJAM. Old people music. LOL. That's the ironic part. Nirvana is like a critically acclaimed TV show that gets cancelled before it loses its edge.

    As a parent i think he's an idiot. You have to put your kids first and he chose never to do that.

    With all that said i still feel his brilliance when i put on certain Nirvana songs. He changed music for the better.
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  • october22
    october22 Posts: 2,533
    jp307677 said:

    I like Nirvana, but the band is so overrated and so is Kurt. I think it's ridiculous that people look at guys like him as heroes. Him and his wife were clearly junkies whose lives were an absolute mess. I don't think that's iconic at all, and it's a shame that he gets more attention and credit than others who make better music and keep their lives together and don't make fools out of themselves.

    Exactly.
  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    edited April 2014
    I am not making excuses for Kurt, but instant fame can really f*ck with your head. It does not take away from the brilliance and genius that Nirvana was. Have you listened to any of Nirvana's music lately?
  • rummy
    rummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    It's too bad nobody makes music like that nowadays - or if they are not very many people are listening to it. Hopefully for the youth of today, a resurgence is on the way.
  • narnia
    narnia Posts: 635
    Weirdly interesting documentary about Kurt's death here:

    huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/05/kurt-and-courtney-online_n_5096891.html
    I escaped it...a life wasted...I'm never going back again
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,636
    FrankY59 said:

    I'm a doctor...addiction is a disease.

    This was a monologue on the beginning track of a TOOL song 'Third Eye'

    "See, I think drugs have done some good things for us, I really do. And if you don’t believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor; go home tonight, take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your CD’s and burn em’. 'Cause you don't want the musicians who’ve made all that great music that’s enhanced your lives throughout the years?..
    Rrrrrrrreal fuckin' high on drugs."

    Sadly I agree this applies a lot of times in music.

    That is actually the late great comedian Bill Hicks. That Tool album was dedicated to him. References were everywhere on that album.

    I am hoping that they find some other unpublished music one day.
  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    The teen in me thought Kurts suicide was poetic and tragic and fitting.

    The parent version of me thinks he's a weak coward. You dont abandon your child (especially leaving her solely in his wife's care). Be a man and raise your kid. The fame he sought didnt seem as fun. Okay so retreat. Drugs f***ed you up? No
    excuse. You have a defenseless child that needs you. I cant respect what he did.
  • lanoisseforp
    lanoisseforp Posts: 469
    I have no idea what heroin is like.... have you tried it?
    cp3iverson said:

    The teen in me thought Kurts suicide was poetic and tragic and fitting.

    The parent version of me thinks he's a weak coward. You dont abandon your child (especially leaving her solely in his wife's care). Be a man and raise your kid. The fame he sought didnt seem as fun. Okay so retreat. Drugs f***ed you up? No
    excuse. You have a defenseless child that needs you. I cant respect what he did.

    ...
  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    edited April 2014
    Nope. Had very close relatives hooked but i was never THAT dumb. Thankfully they kicked it and saw the big picture. Im not trying to sound holier than thou. Its just a simple message that i learned with age. Be a man and raise your kid. He abandoned his kid just like a deadbeat dad. No one loved Nirvana more than me from 90-94. Still love him as an artist. Always will. Awful parent tho.
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  • FrankY59
    FrankY59 Posts: 1,052
    edited April 2014
    I don't think you understand what clinical depression is. He obviously lived a life that 99.9% of people have never lived, so none of our opinions count. This country does a poor job in not only treating but recognizing mental illnesses. No one should doubt he loved his family which shows the toll untreated depression can take. Call it a cop out all you want but it's a recurring theme in depressed people but he just happened to be a celebrity which still doesn't change his disease.
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    FrankY59 said:

    I don't think you understand what clinical depression is. He obviously lived a life that 99.9% of people have never lived, so none of our opinions count. This country does a poor job in not only treating but recognizing mental illnesses. No one should doubt he loved his family which shows the toll untreated depression can take. Call it a cop out all you want but it's a recurring theme in depressed people but he just happened to be a celebrity which still doesn't change his disease.

    It's good to know some people have some sense around here, and some compassion......

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