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Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

Cluffys boy has sucked so far...now that’s he’s in a real league 

I said when you got him that he loses his control and walks a tightrope. Did not work out today. Has more often than not in the past, including 2 bases loaded no out situations (not necessarily of his doing both times) in the playoffs. He is getting older and has pitched a lot of innings though.

real league?!? Lol

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

Cluffys boy has sucked so far...now that’s he’s in a real league 

I said when you got him that he loses his control and walks a tightrope. Did not work out today. Has more often than not in the past, including 2 bases loaded no out situations (not necessarily of his doing both times) in the playoffs. He is getting older and has pitched a lot of innings though.

real league?!? Lol

I thought you’d get a kick out of the real league comment 😎

Jearlpam0925

Apparently Robertson walked 3 guys in a row once in the last 3 or 4 years. Then he did it again yesterday.

JK_Livin

KIMBREL

eeriepadave

JK_Livin said:

KIMBREL

He didn't sign with them, did he?

JK_Livin

eeriepadave said:

JK_Livin said:

KIMBREL

He didn't sign with them, did he?

No, I'm saying we need to sign him. 1 year $40mil

The Juggler

What a difference a couple years can make 

The Juggler

The greatest eight hole hitter in the history of baseball strikes again

Ledbetterman10

These guys are scoring mad runs. 

The Juggler

Heading down today. Should be a glorious day weather-wise. Hopefully Eflin pitches as well as he did last time out and is able to stay in longer than 5. Go Phils

eeriepadave

The Juggler said:

Heading down today. Should be a glorious day weather-wise. Hopefully Eflin pitches as well as he did last time out and is able to stay in longer than 5. Go Phils

great day for some baseball. Going down there later tonight for Muse.

eeriepadave

#Rhysmode

eeriepadave

should have won that game.

Wobbie

JK_Livin said:

KIMBREL

you really want that asshat?

Jearlpam0925

Tough loss (again). I don't mind Kapler shuffling guys right now, but by like the end of May guys need to know their roles.

And I wouldn't get irrational and sign Kimbrel to a massive deal unless he wants to do a one-year deal. And I'm certainly not giving up a pick for him. Bullpens, even the best that are paid a premium, are still essentially a coin-flip year-in and year-out.

I'd much prefer signing Kuechel to a 3-year deal at $20M/yr if he'd take it. I have much less confidence in the rotation. And if you're going to spend nearly $20M I'd much prefer to do that on a starter than a reliever. I want a guy I know I can get 7 innings out of instead of 1. 

You've got Nola and Arrieta and a bunch of guys. Not that Arrieta is anything great, but no one sticks out in this rotation. Eflin off to a great start, but you can argue that Velasquez, Eikhoff, Eflin, Pivetta should all be duking it out for the 5th spot. Maybe the 4th.

Ledbetterman10

Ugly series against the Nats

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 said:

Tough loss (again). I don't mind Kapler shuffling guys right now, but by like the end of May guys need to know their roles.

And I wouldn't get irrational and sign Kimbrel to a massive deal unless he wants to do a one-year deal. And I'm certainly not giving up a pick for him. Bullpens, even the best that are paid a premium, are still essentially a coin-flip year-in and year-out.

I'd much prefer signing Kuechel to a 3-year deal at $20M/yr if he'd take it. I have much less confidence in the rotation. And if you're going to spend nearly $20M I'd much prefer to do that on a starter than a reliever. I want a guy I know I can get 7 innings out of instead of 1. 

You've got Nola and Arrieta and a bunch of guys. Not that Arrieta is anything great, but no one sticks out in this rotation. Eflin off to a great start, but you can argue that Velasquez, Eikhoff, Eflin, Pivetta should all be duking it out for the 5th spot. Maybe the 4th.

At this point why wouldn’t Kimbrell take a one year “show me” deal? Is he willing to sit for the whole season?

What would it take to trade for Bumgarner?

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Tough loss (again). I don't mind Kapler shuffling guys right now, but by like the end of May guys need to know their roles.

And I wouldn't get irrational and sign Kimbrel to a massive deal unless he wants to do a one-year deal. And I'm certainly not giving up a pick for him. Bullpens, even the best that are paid a premium, are still essentially a coin-flip year-in and year-out.

I'd much prefer signing Kuechel to a 3-year deal at $20M/yr if he'd take it. I have much less confidence in the rotation. And if you're going to spend nearly $20M I'd much prefer to do that on a starter than a reliever. I want a guy I know I can get 7 innings out of instead of 1. 

You've got Nola and Arrieta and a bunch of guys. Not that Arrieta is anything great, but no one sticks out in this rotation. Eflin off to a great start, but you can argue that Velasquez, Eikhoff, Eflin, Pivetta should all be duking it out for the 5th spot. Maybe the 4th.

At this point why wouldn’t Kimbrell take a one year “show me” deal? Is he willing to sit for the whole season?

What would it take to trade for Bumgarner?

Too much considering his status there probably.


Also why I was a bit iffy on the Sixto trade at the time.  Felt like he could be better served for something along these lines.

pjhawks

relax people. jeez some of you guys are panicking already. there are on a 103 win pace. no need to sign or trade for anyone just yet. plenty of time for that.

Jearlpam0925

The Juggler said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Tough loss (again). I don't mind Kapler shuffling guys right now, but by like the end of May guys need to know their roles.

And I wouldn't get irrational and sign Kimbrel to a massive deal unless he wants to do a one-year deal. And I'm certainly not giving up a pick for him. Bullpens, even the best that are paid a premium, are still essentially a coin-flip year-in and year-out.

I'd much prefer signing Kuechel to a 3-year deal at $20M/yr if he'd take it. I have much less confidence in the rotation. And if you're going to spend nearly $20M I'd much prefer to do that on a starter than a reliever. I want a guy I know I can get 7 innings out of instead of 1. 

You've got Nola and Arrieta and a bunch of guys. Not that Arrieta is anything great, but no one sticks out in this rotation. Eflin off to a great start, but you can argue that Velasquez, Eikhoff, Eflin, Pivetta should all be duking it out for the 5th spot. Maybe the 4th.

At this point why wouldn’t Kimbrell take a one year “show me” deal? Is he willing to sit for the whole season?

What would it take to trade for Bumgarner?

I would think even if Kimbrell sits and costs him a year he'd still get more dollars following this season than doing a one year deal and risking some freak injury. I mean he's not getting a 5 year deal, best he can hope for is 4 years. Biggest thing is I'm guessing teams just don't want to pay the pick for him in addition to the years. I figure he signs after the draft for a 4 year (essentially a 3.5 yr) deal.

I'm not trading for Bumgarner because I think he'll cost too much, and I'm not even sure you have the prospects the Giants would be remotely interested in to get him . I'd much rather spend the pure cash, instead of getting a rental, plunk Kuechel into the rotation, and be done with it. It's funny because it's such a loooong fucking season and we could be saying "the fuck were we thinking?" in August.

I dunno, you just can't rely on Pivetta/Eflin/Eikhoff/Velasquez to fill in 3 spots of your rotation. They should be fighting for one spot, at most two.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

relax people. jeez some of you guys are panicking already. there are on a 103 win pace. no need to sign or trade for anyone just yet. plenty of time for that.

The overreactions after the first series of the season were absurd as are any overreactions now. 

That said, I don't think it's a stretch to say that this team isn't winning the world series with this pitching staff and they need help.  Not like this wasn't a point in the offseason as well.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

relax people. jeez some of you guys are panicking already. there are on a 103 win pace. no need to sign or trade for anyone just yet. plenty of time for that.

The overreactions after the first series of the season were absurd as are the overreactions now. 

That said, I don't think it's a stretch to say that this team isn't winning the world series with this pitching staff and they need help.  Not like this wasn't a point in the offseason as well.

Agree mostly but the point was it's way too early to make a bad trade or signing of the likes of Kimbrel. plenty of time to help out the pitching staff.  Of course if Nola is hurt and not letting on...  the fact is this is a good team and will be in the race all year long.  can tweak later without over paying in April.  

Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

relax people. jeez some of you guys are panicking already. there are on a 103 win pace. no need to sign or trade for anyone just yet. plenty of time for that.

The overreactions after the first series of the season were absurd as are the overreactions now. 

That said, I don't think it's a stretch to say that this team isn't winning the world series with this pitching staff and they need help.  Not like this wasn't a point in the offseason as well.

Agree mostly but the point was it's way too early to make a bad trade or signing of the likes of Kimbrel. plenty of time to help out the pitching staff.  Of course if Nola is hurt and not letting on...  the fact is this is a good team and will be in the race all year long.  can tweak later without over paying in April.  

Or, you know the bullpen or the rotation could be an issue so why not sign someone now rather than give up people later

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

relax people. jeez some of you guys are panicking already. there are on a 103 win pace. no need to sign or trade for anyone just yet. plenty of time for that.

The overreactions after the first series of the season were absurd as are the overreactions now. 

That said, I don't think it's a stretch to say that this team isn't winning the world series with this pitching staff and they need help.  Not like this wasn't a point in the offseason as well.

Agree mostly but the point was it's way too early to make a bad trade or signing of the likes of Kimbrel. plenty of time to help out the pitching staff.  Of course if Nola is hurt and not letting on...  the fact is this is a good team and will be in the race all year long.  can tweak later without over paying in April.  

Or, you know the bullpen or the rotation could be an issue so why not sign someone now rather than give up people later

you can say that about every team in the both leagues.  I mean your Yanks are in worse shape with all the injuries why haven't they signed either guy?  are you advocating the same for every other team or just this one?

Jearlpam0925

See point above about when it's August. Regardless, though, the rotation is more of a long-term issue to me than the bullpen. That can be remedied right now with a decent pitcher slotted in the middle of the rotation that will only cost you money and not players.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

relax people. jeez some of you guys are panicking already. there are on a 103 win pace. no need to sign or trade for anyone just yet. plenty of time for that.

The overreactions after the first series of the season were absurd as are the overreactions now. 

That said, I don't think it's a stretch to say that this team isn't winning the world series with this pitching staff and they need help.  Not like this wasn't a point in the offseason as well.

Agree mostly but the point was it's way too early to make a bad trade or signing of the likes of Kimbrel. plenty of time to help out the pitching staff.  Of course if Nola is hurt and not letting on...  the fact is this is a good team and will be in the race all year long.  can tweak later without over paying in April.  

Or, you know the bullpen or the rotation could be an issue so why not sign someone now rather than give up people later

you can say that about every team in the both leagues.  I mean your Yanks are in worse shape with all the injuries why haven't they signed either guy?  are you advocating the same for every other team or just this one?

I think Keuchel kinda stinks (or will) and I think the bullpen is the least of the Yankees worries right about now, but I of course would be open to signing anyone.  If there were better position players available, I'd be beating the drum for them to be signing people for sure.

Edit: I do think the Yanks should consider Keuchel with the Severino news.  Gio will be up soon too.

Cliffy6745

I also think Milwaukee and Atlanta and Washington should also sign Kimbrell.

The Juggler

pjhawks said:

relax people. jeez some of you guys are panicking already. there are on a 103 win pace. no need to sign or trade for anyone just yet. plenty of time for that.

Who here is panicking? We’ve all been saying they need an additional pitcher since the end of last season...

eeriepadave

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

relax people. jeez some of you guys are panicking already. there are on a 103 win pace. no need to sign or trade for anyone just yet. plenty of time for that.

Who here is panicking? We’ve all been saying they need an additional pitcher since the end of last season...

I'm not panicking. I'm more frustrated than anything. But yeah we still need to add at least one solid pitcher to the roster.

eeriepadave

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