PHILLY (Loosely Related to The Philadelphia Phillies)

Ledbetterman10

Cliffy6745 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

What episode is that? I just checked the podcast list and don't see Buck there.

Two separate things. That wasn't clear. JP referenced the Obama and Buck articles. Keepin in 1600 is with the Obama speech writer who is one of the hosts on that podcast. It's really good, but Buck was not on it.

Yeah I heard that Obama speech writer on Simmons' podcast a while back and thought it was interesting. Maybe I'll check it out.

The Juggler

Oh and it looks like Simmons' show starts in a few weeks ...

Cliff--that might be the first time I've seen someone say "Joe Buck is awesome" and not mean it sarcastically.

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

Oh and it looks like Simmons' show starts in a few weeks ...

Cliff--that might be the first time I've seen someone say "Joe Buck is awesome" and not mean it sarcastically.

Yeah it does. Sounds like a weird set up. I feel like I think it will suck, but he's a smart guy

I have always thought Joe Buck got an unfair rap. Tim mccarver killed him but I think he's really good at baseball. Also seems like a really cool dude and is a huge pearl jam fan.

Cliffy6745

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

What episode is that? I just checked the podcast list and don't see Buck there.

Two separate things. That wasn't clear. JP referenced the Obama and Buck articles. Keepin in 1600 is with the Obama speech writer who is one of the hosts on that podcast. It's really good, but Buck was not on it.

Yeah I heard that Obama speech writer on Simmons' podcast a while back and thought it was interesting. Maybe I'll check it out.

Yeah that was a pretty good one. You listen to the Michael rappaport one? Insane

The Fixer

pjhawks said:

The Fixer said:

JK_Livin said:

The Fixer said:

JK_Livin said:

Really tired of beating this dead horse. Whatever happens with Howard, just let it happen. The bitching and moaning is wasted energy. Go see him him one last time and give him some applause.

no way I'm cheering a guy who has been overweight and has underperformed ever since the ink dried on his contract.

It's not really him I have a problem with. He's sucked since 2009. The Phillies management is the problem...he should have been the first one to go when they finally started this rebuild

I guess you don't have to cheer for him but silence would be better than anything else.

impossible when I'm forced to see it almost daily. I love the phillies but they really do suck as an organization

wait I thought you were an Orioles fan now? or did you choose another team that is winning these days? Cubs maybe?

I do like the Orioles. Phillies will always be first, but I like to see the O's do well -- great park, great announcers, hate the other AL east teams, different league than the phils. Will be at camden yards for my family's third annual father's day game. One of my favorite days of the year.

The Fixer

The Juggler said:

The Fixer said:

Not a big Baumann fan and I certainly disagree with a lot of what he states here, but this is a good read.

https://theringer.com/mlb-2016-philadelphia-phillies-4db2c9dc0ea4#.wwnhunru2

Pretty much what I've been saying for a while...

"The Phillies are still assembling the next version of the team. Right now, they’ve got a good center fielder, a good third baseman, three or four good starting pitchers, and a couple of decent relievers. That’s a start, but there are still a lot of holes.

Now consider this list of names: Tocci, Ortiz, Williams, Thompson, Alfaro, Knapp, Crawford, Kilome, Medina, Appel, Eshelman. They all stand to contribute to the big league club but have yet to play a regular-season game in the majors. Only a couple of years after the franchise hit rock bottom, the Phillies have a decent big league team right now, a top-five farm system, and the no. 1 pick in the draft next week. They also have an ownership group that’s been willing to spend almost all the way to the luxury tax in the past, along with only $24.5 million in payroll commitments past this year and just $2 million in commitments in 2018.

That combination of young talent and financial flexibility brings up one last question.

Will the Phillies be good soon?

For the first time in five years, the answer is yes."




I'm glad you posted this because I didn't realize The Ringer went live yet. Good stuff.

Def excited about the Ringer. There is a solid Joe Buck article up as well. Met him years ago at a bar in Center City. Great dude -- and I really like him as an announcer.

This is one of the things I disagreed with from the phils article....

Right now, they’ve got a good center fielder, a good third baseman, three or four good starting pitchers, and a couple of decent relievers

Who are the 3-4 good starting pitchers??? Nola is nice -- Velazquez could be disgusting if he learns a third pitch. But I don't see 3, let alone 4 good SPs on this roster. Franco is still unproven -- I'm not ready to call him good yet. And can anyone confidently say Herrera is a CF on a contending team? He takes some horrid routes (remember the hamels no hitter???). I like Neris, but other than that I don't see any future pen pieces either.

At least howard is finally on the bench and one step closer to being shown the door.

The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

What episode is that? I just checked the podcast list and don't see Buck there.

Two separate things. That wasn't clear. JP referenced the Obama and Buck articles. Keepin in 1600 is with the Obama speech writer who is one of the hosts on that podcast. It's really good, but Buck was not on it.

Yeah I heard that Obama speech writer on Simmons' podcast a while back and thought it was interesting. Maybe I'll check it out.

you guys are forgetting that anything involving obama is horrendous

The Fixer

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Oh and it looks like Simmons' show starts in a few weeks ...

Cliff--that might be the first time I've seen someone say "Joe Buck is awesome" and not mean it sarcastically.

Yeah it does. Sounds like a weird set up. I feel like I think it will suck, but he's a smart guy

I have always thought Joe Buck got an unfair rap. Tim mccarver killed him but I think he's really good at baseball. Also seems like a really cool dude and is a huge pearl jam fan.

I agree that the simmons show will be terrible. His website will be great but I can't see how his show will be good.

nice sharks just tied it.

pjhawks

Simmons is pretty smart but he is brutal on TV. Got to give him credit for having the idea for the 30 for 30 on ESPN though.

Anyone see the 30 for 30 on Cleveland? I thought it was really good. they really have had some terrible defeats through the years.

The Fixer

pjhawks said:

Simmons is pretty smart but he is brutal on TV. Got to give him credit for having the idea for the 30 for 30 on ESPN though.

Anyone see the 30 for 30 on Cleveland? I thought it was really good. they really have had some terrible defeats through the years.

I thought it was weak. They didn't even show Renteria's hit off Mesa. Instead they kept showing that slob talking to his kid in a diner...like anyone cared about that

Jearlpam0925

The Juggler said:

Oh and it looks like Simmons' show starts in a few weeks ...

Cliff--that might be the first time I've seen someone say "Joe Buck is awesome" and not mean it sarcastically.

I don't think outside me and a buddy of mine, I've seen where more than 2 people in on instance thought Joe Buck was alright. Fuck. This has got to mean Trump will be president.

Ledbetterman10

Cliffy6745 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

What episode is that? I just checked the podcast list and don't see Buck there.

Two separate things. That wasn't clear. JP referenced the Obama and Buck articles. Keepin in 1600 is with the Obama speech writer who is one of the hosts on that podcast. It's really good, but Buck was not on it.

Yeah I heard that Obama speech writer on Simmons' podcast a while back and thought it was interesting. Maybe I'll check it out.

Yeah that was a pretty good one. You listen to the Michael rappaport one? Insane

Yeah that was good. I listen to most of his podcasts unless it's one about television shows.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Juggler said:

Oh and it looks like Simmons' show starts in a few weeks ...

Cliff--that might be the first time I've seen someone say "Joe Buck is awesome" and not mean it sarcastically.

I don't think outside me and a buddy of mine, I've seen where more than 2 people in on instance thought Joe Buck was alright. Fuck. This has got to mean Trump will be president.

I've been in a fantasy league called Joe Buck Sucks for about 8 years. I guess he's not the worst but I just find him annoyingly condescending all the time.




And God help us on that last part...

The Juggler

The Fixer said:

The Juggler said:

The Fixer said:

Not a big Baumann fan and I certainly disagree with a lot of what he states here, but this is a good read.

https://theringer.com/mlb-2016-philadelphia-phillies-4db2c9dc0ea4#.wwnhunru2

Pretty much what I've been saying for a while...

"The Phillies are still assembling the next version of the team. Right now, they’ve got a good center fielder, a good third baseman, three or four good starting pitchers, and a couple of decent relievers. That’s a start, but there are still a lot of holes.

Now consider this list of names: Tocci, Ortiz, Williams, Thompson, Alfaro, Knapp, Crawford, Kilome, Medina, Appel, Eshelman. They all stand to contribute to the big league club but have yet to play a regular-season game in the majors. Only a couple of years after the franchise hit rock bottom, the Phillies have a decent big league team right now, a top-five farm system, and the no. 1 pick in the draft next week. They also have an ownership group that’s been willing to spend almost all the way to the luxury tax in the past, along with only $24.5 million in payroll commitments past this year and just $2 million in commitments in 2018.

That combination of young talent and financial flexibility brings up one last question.

Will the Phillies be good soon?

For the first time in five years, the answer is yes."




I'm glad you posted this because I didn't realize The Ringer went live yet. Good stuff.

Def excited about the Ringer. There is a solid Joe Buck article up as well. Met him years ago at a bar in Center City. Great dude -- and I really like him as an announcer.

This is one of the things I disagreed with from the phils article....

Right now, they’ve got a good center fielder, a good third baseman, three or four good starting pitchers, and a couple of decent relievers

Who are the 3-4 good starting pitchers??? Nola is nice -- Velazquez could be disgusting if he learns a third pitch. But I don't see 3, let alone 4 good SPs on this roster. Franco is still unproven -- I'm not ready to call him good yet. And can anyone confidently say Herrera is a CF on a contending team? He takes some horrid routes (remember the hamels no hitter???). I like Neris, but other than that I don't see any future pen pieces either.

At least howard is finally on the bench and one step closer to being shown the door.

Okay 2 good pitchers then. I see your point there. But Eikhoff's been decent for the most part though. A nice surprise.
I think Franco will be fine. Herrera should be an all star this year but you have to remember he is a converted second basemen who never played CF until last year. He might move to right or left when/if Quinn and Williams get here. I guess they could also move him back to second. Can't believe how much he's improved at the plate this year.

Jearlpam0925

If Eikhoff is the #4 or #5 starter in this rotation I am more than content with that future. Like I said, in an ideal world Nola should be your 3. And we're not there yet, but could be sooner than later. Then IF Valasquez can go deep in a season (175-180+ IP) for once and get that third pitch down then he's your 2.

Also, I think everyone is overlooking this goddamn strike zone change for next year. It's fucking stupid. And I definitely go bat in the draft now for that #1 pick.

Ledbetterman10

Joe Buck is a good baseball play-by-play guy. I never had a problem with him or McCarver. Don't care for Buck in football but I'll take him over Pat Summerall any day. I hated Summerall. For some reason everybody reveres him but I think he sucked.

Here's my list of favorite play-by-play guys:

1) Al Michaels
2) Marv Albert
3) Vince McMahon (Yep...)
4. Kevin Harlan
5. Harry Kalas

Jearlpam0925

Ledbetterman10 said:

Joe Buck is a good baseball play-by-play guy. I never had a problem with him or McCarver. Don't care for Buck in football but I'll take him over Pat Summerall any day. I hated Summerall. For some reason everybody reveres him but I think he sucked.

Here's my list of favorite play-by-play guys:

1) Al Michaels
2) Marv Albert
3) Vince McMahon (Yep...)
4. Kevin Harlan
5. Harry Kalas

Ugh I HATE Kevin Harlan.

I think ya gotta go Jim Ross over Vince McMahon though...

Harry's the top of that list - I'll also argue you can't lump national and local guys together. One has to be unbiased while the other I want to be a complete homer.

LA and Franzke. FTW.

Ledbetterman10

Jearlpam0925 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Joe Buck is a good baseball play-by-play guy. I never had a problem with him or McCarver. Don't care for Buck in football but I'll take him over Pat Summerall any day. I hated Summerall. For some reason everybody reveres him but I think he sucked.

Here's my list of favorite play-by-play guys:

1) Al Michaels
2) Marv Albert
3) Vince McMahon (Yep...)
4. Kevin Harlan
5. Harry Kalas

Ugh I HATE Kevin Harlan.

I think ya gotta go Jim Ross over Vince McMahon though...

Harry's the top of that list - I'll also argue you can't lump national and local guys together. One has to be unbiased while the other I want to be a complete homer.

LA and Franzke. FTW.

There's an unintentional comedy aspect of McMahon that I always loved. I can actually do a pretty good impression of him on commentary. Jim Ross...especially during the Stone Cold era...is as good as it gets though.

Jearlpam0925

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Joe Buck is a good baseball play-by-play guy. I never had a problem with him or McCarver. Don't care for Buck in football but I'll take him over Pat Summerall any day. I hated Summerall. For some reason everybody reveres him but I think he sucked.

Here's my list of favorite play-by-play guys:

1) Al Michaels
2) Marv Albert
3) Vince McMahon (Yep...)
4. Kevin Harlan
5. Harry Kalas

Ugh I HATE Kevin Harlan.

I think ya gotta go Jim Ross over Vince McMahon though...

Harry's the top of that list - I'll also argue you can't lump national and local guys together. One has to be unbiased while the other I want to be a complete homer.

LA and Franzke. FTW.

There's an unintentional comedy aspect of McMahon that I always loved. I can actually do a pretty good impression of him on commentary. Jim Ross...especially during the Stone Cold era...is as good as it gets though.

Dude also called Atlanta Falcon and Georgia Bulldog games I believe. Possibly also Oklahoma games, or I could be making that up.

The Juggler

Ledbetterman10 said:

Joe Buck is a good baseball play-by-play guy. I never had a problem with him or McCarver. Don't care for Buck in football but I'll take him over Pat Summerall any day. I hated Summerall. For some reason everybody reveres him but I think he sucked.

Here's my list of favorite play-by-play guys:

1) Al Michaels
2) Marv Albert
3) Vince McMahon (Yep...)
4. Kevin Harlan
5. Harry Kalas

Vern Lundquist is an all timer for me. Whatever he's calling just has the feel of a big time event the moment you hear his voice.

And I agree with JP--local guys are a separate category.

Also, I'll choose to ignore the wrestling mentions.