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The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here's a baseball scenario for you guys that my friend and I like to joke about. There is, in our opinion, a right and wrong answer to this:

Man on second, nobody out. You're a member of the hitting team in dugout. Your clean-up hitter comes to the plate and he grounds out to the second baseman. When he returns to the dugout, do you give him a high-five for moving the runner to third?

Yes. Technically it was a successful at bat. I am not a fan of sac bunting, but moving a guy over is significantly better than a K. The clean up hitter throws a wrench in it, but if you give the number 9 hitter a high-five, you give every hitter a high-five.

See I disagree. I feel that since he's the cleanup hitter, you'd be patronizing him. Especially when his job is to drive in runs when guys are in scoring position. So where another batter (certainty the 8th or 9th batter) might deserve the high-five, I wouldn't give one to the cleanup hitter.

This debate actually began on a drunken Sunday afternoon at Citizens Bank Park two years ago. My friend and I were sitting right next to the Phillies dugout (the best seats I've ever had a Phillies game actually) when, with a man on second and nobody out, Howard hit a soft bouncer to the second baseman, moving the runner to third. Now my friend is a little similar to The Fixer in that he was on the "this is the worst-contract ever" side of the fence pretty early on with Howard. And as Howard began trotting back to the dugout after grounding out, my friend starts screaming at the players in the dugout "DON'T YOU DARE HIGH-FIVE HIM FOR MOVING THE RUNNER OVER! DON'T YOU DARE! IF IT WAS FREDDY GALVIS YOU COULD BUT NOT RYAN!!!" It was funny.

if it's howard then I would give him a high five because it means he didn't strike out, which is the expected outcome in every situation with him.

Only four more months and he's gone!

The Fixer

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Haha. There's a lot of things I can say on this matter....but I won't.

Keep Philly Weird.

The grease pole?

Yeah, among other South Philly Eye-talian traditions.

IRRegardless, I'll bring this back around to baseball...in #1 draft pick topics....I think the best play is Jason Groome. Seems like the consensus is, traditionally, you don't go high school pitcher with the top pick. You need a can't miss thing. But the overall draft class at the top seems to not have any standouts. So, I say go with the local high school lefty that's a giant, already has three established pitches, and effortlessly throws 95 consistently with really good delivery.

Baby him, limit his innings, and by the time he's 21 you should be contending, or at least close to it, and boom you have your horse for years to come. Seems worth it to me, compared to the jumbled mix of players that are now being considered for the #1 pick. I say fuck it, and just go with Groome.

I'm hoping for one of the college bats, Ray or Lewis. This is the strategy the Cubs have used since Theo took over and it's obviously worked well for them.

At the end of the day though the baseball draft is different due to these pools of money each team gets to spend on their picks. I'm hoping that they will do what Houston did the year they took Correa first overall (he was not the top rated prospect that year)...sign a guy at one for underslot, then go overslot on their next pick or two. This is how the astros ended up with Correa and McCullers in the same draft.

Hopefully Klentak is making these decisions and not MacFail.

cutz

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here's a baseball scenario for you guys that my friend and I like to joke about. There is, in our opinion, a right and wrong answer to this:

Man on second, nobody out. You're a member of the hitting team in dugout. Your clean-up hitter comes to the plate and he grounds out to the second baseman. When he returns to the dugout, do you give him a high-five for moving the runner to third?

Yes. Technically it was a successful at bat. I am not a fan of sac bunting, but moving a guy over is significantly better than a K. The clean up hitter throws a wrench in it, but if you give the number 9 hitter a high-five, you give every hitter a high-five.

See I disagree. I feel that since he's the cleanup hitter, you'd be patronizing him. Especially when his job is to drive in runs when guys are in scoring position. So where another batter (certainty the 8th or 9th batter) might deserve the high-five, I wouldn't give one to the cleanup hitter.

This debate actually began on a drunken Sunday afternoon at Citizens Bank Park two years ago. My friend and I were sitting right next to the Phillies dugout (the best seats I've ever had a Phillies game actually) when, with a man on second and nobody out, Howard hit a soft bouncer to the second baseman, moving the runner to third. Now my friend is a little similar to The Fixer in that he was on the "this is the worst-contract ever" side of the fence pretty early on with Howard. And as Howard began trotting back to the dugout after grounding out, my friend starts screaming at the players in the dugout "DON'T YOU DARE HIGH-FIVE HIM FOR MOVING THE RUNNER OVER! DON'T YOU DARE! IF IT WAS FREDDY GALVIS YOU COULD BUT NOT RYAN!!!" It was funny.

If it's the 9th inning of a tied game i'm giving him a high-five.

Probably give a high-five regardless, because at least he didn't strikeout or pop out in the infield. Got the runner over at least.

The Juggler

cutz said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here's a baseball scenario for you guys that my friend and I like to joke about. There is, in our opinion, a right and wrong answer to this:

Man on second, nobody out. You're a member of the hitting team in dugout. Your clean-up hitter comes to the plate and he grounds out to the second baseman. When he returns to the dugout, do you give him a high-five for moving the runner to third?

Yes. Technically it was a successful at bat. I am not a fan of sac bunting, but moving a guy over is significantly better than a K. The clean up hitter throws a wrench in it, but if you give the number 9 hitter a high-five, you give every hitter a high-five.

See I disagree. I feel that since he's the cleanup hitter, you'd be patronizing him. Especially when his job is to drive in runs when guys are in scoring position. So where another batter (certainty the 8th or 9th batter) might deserve the high-five, I wouldn't give one to the cleanup hitter.

This debate actually began on a drunken Sunday afternoon at Citizens Bank Park two years ago. My friend and I were sitting right next to the Phillies dugout (the best seats I've ever had a Phillies game actually) when, with a man on second and nobody out, Howard hit a soft bouncer to the second baseman, moving the runner to third. Now my friend is a little similar to The Fixer in that he was on the "this is the worst-contract ever" side of the fence pretty early on with Howard. And as Howard began trotting back to the dugout after grounding out, my friend starts screaming at the players in the dugout "DON'T YOU DARE HIGH-FIVE HIM FOR MOVING THE RUNNER OVER! DON'T YOU DARE! IF IT WAS FREDDY GALVIS YOU COULD BUT NOT RYAN!!!" It was funny.

If it's the 9th inning of a tied game i'm giving him a high-five.

Probably give a high-five regardless, because at least he didn't strikeout or pop out in the infield. Got the runner over at least.

Now, would a fist bump be in order, perhaps?

Ledbetterman10

cutz said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here's a baseball scenario for you guys that my friend and I like to joke about. There is, in our opinion, a right and wrong answer to this:

Man on second, nobody out. You're a member of the hitting team in dugout. Your clean-up hitter comes to the plate and he grounds out to the second baseman. When he returns to the dugout, do you give him a high-five for moving the runner to third?

Yes. Technically it was a successful at bat. I am not a fan of sac bunting, but moving a guy over is significantly better than a K. The clean up hitter throws a wrench in it, but if you give the number 9 hitter a high-five, you give every hitter a high-five.

See I disagree. I feel that since he's the cleanup hitter, you'd be patronizing him. Especially when his job is to drive in runs when guys are in scoring position. So where another batter (certainty the 8th or 9th batter) might deserve the high-five, I wouldn't give one to the cleanup hitter.

This debate actually began on a drunken Sunday afternoon at Citizens Bank Park two years ago. My friend and I were sitting right next to the Phillies dugout (the best seats I've ever had a Phillies game actually) when, with a man on second and nobody out, Howard hit a soft bouncer to the second baseman, moving the runner to third. Now my friend is a little similar to The Fixer in that he was on the "this is the worst-contract ever" side of the fence pretty early on with Howard. And as Howard began trotting back to the dugout after grounding out, my friend starts screaming at the players in the dugout "DON'T YOU DARE HIGH-FIVE HIM FOR MOVING THE RUNNER OVER! DON'T YOU DARE! IF IT WAS FREDDY GALVIS YOU COULD BUT NOT RYAN!!!" It was funny.

If it's the 9th inning of a tied game i'm giving him a high-five.

Probably give a high-five regardless, because at least he didn't strikeout or pop out in the infield. Got the runner over at least.

What inning it is does make for a nice little wrinkle to to this. Runner on third with one out in the 9th is a pretty preferred situation to be in.

eeriepadave

wonder what the actual attendance for today's game is? looks like there's barely anyone there.

The Juggler

Worst spring ever. Fuck this weather.

pjhawks

The Juggler said:

Worst spring ever. Fuck this weather.

agree. i know April-May weather can be iffy but can't remember a stretch this gray and dreary this long. I mean for about 6 weeks it seems like their has been like 3 good days. I can't remember getting to the week of Memorial Day without having worn shorts yet. Bring on the heat.

The Juggler

Just say no...to Nick Markakis

The Fixer

It's safe to say that the 2016 version of ryan howard is one of the worst position players to ever wear a phillie uniform. Why is he on this roster????????? I can't take it anymore

eeriepadave

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

Worst spring ever. Fuck this weather.

agree. i know April-May weather can be iffy but can't remember a stretch this gray and dreary this long. I mean for about 6 weeks it seems like their has been like 3 good days. I can't remember getting to the week of Memorial Day without having worn shorts yet. Bring on the heat.

i posted something similar to this on facebook last week. i think it was warmer around Christmas time than it is now. I think in a few days we are finally gonna hit 80 degrees.

eeriepadave

The Fixer said:

It's safe to say that the 2016 version of ryan howard is one of the worst position players to ever wear a phillie uniform. Why is he on this roster????????? I can't take it anymore

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/70964/its-time-for-the-phillies-to-release-ryan-howard

The Fixer

eeriepadave said:

The Fixer said:

It's safe to say that the 2016 version of ryan howard is one of the worst position players to ever wear a phillie uniform. Why is he on this roster????????? I can't take it anymore

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/70964/its-time-for-the-phillies-to-release-ryan-howard

Ha, perfect timing -- though he should have been dumped years ago. It's even more painful than usual watching him this season. In typical phillies fashion they are dragging this out way longer than they should.

eeriepadave

The Fixer said:

eeriepadave said:

The Fixer said:

It's safe to say that the 2016 version of ryan howard is one of the worst position players to ever wear a phillie uniform. Why is he on this roster????????? I can't take it anymore

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/70964/its-time-for-the-phillies-to-release-ryan-howard

Ha, perfect timing -- though he should have been dumped years ago. It's even more painful than usual watching him this season. In typical phillies fashion they are dragging this out way longer than they should.

yeah should have happened a few years ago.

The Juggler

eeriepadave said:

The Fixer said:

It's safe to say that the 2016 version of ryan howard is one of the worst position players to ever wear a phillie uniform. Why is he on this roster????????? I can't take it anymore

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/70964/its-time-for-the-phillies-to-release-ryan-howard

Article mentions seeing if he will agree to retire like Griff did back in 2010 and if not, release him. That's the first thing I thought of after that at bat last night. At least he hasn't blocked the way for a stud prospect like Thome kind of did to him back in the day...but now I'd prefer to let young Joseph play just about every day.


Good one last night but tough loss especially when Verlander is on the hill tonight.

Go Phils

JK_Livin

It's sad watching Howard. He'll always be a WFC.

Jearlpam0925

The Fixer said:

eeriepadave said:

The Fixer said:

It's safe to say that the 2016 version of ryan howard is one of the worst position players to ever wear a phillie uniform. Why is he on this roster????????? I can't take it anymore

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/70964/its-time-for-the-phillies-to-release-ryan-howard

Ha, perfect timing -- though he should have been dumped years ago. It's even more painful than usual watching him this season. In typical phillies fashion they are dragging this out way longer than they should.

I was reading an article on this, and it really seems like the front office is screwing Mackanin. It shouldn't be his place to make this decision, the front office should be doing it for him.

pjhawks

how scary is it that as bad as Ryan is he still is tied for the team lead in home runs? I don't see how they keep him around much longer though. Before the season i didn't think he'd make it to July 4th. Wonder today if he even makes it to Memorial Day.

The Fixer

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Fixer said:

eeriepadave said:

The Fixer said:

It's safe to say that the 2016 version of ryan howard is one of the worst position players to ever wear a phillie uniform. Why is he on this roster????????? I can't take it anymore

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/70964/its-time-for-the-phillies-to-release-ryan-howard

Ha, perfect timing -- though he should have been dumped years ago. It's even more painful than usual watching him this season. In typical phillies fashion they are dragging this out way longer than they should.

I was reading an article on this, and it really seems like the front office is screwing Mackanin. It shouldn't be his place to make this decision, the front office should be doing it for him.

yeah, it's all on montgomery -- and amaro for giving him that contract to begin with.

The Fixer

Good news from Jim Callis...signing the first pick for underslot is key

1. Phillies: A.J. Puk, LHP, Florida
Puk has been inconsistent this spring, but at his best, he's still a hulking lefty with a mid-90s fastball and a wipeout slider. He has pitched well three of the past four weekends, and he seems to be Philadelphia's guy if he can stay on that roll. Plan B appears to be the top high school position player (California outfielder Mickey Moniak), with the best college position player (Mercer outfielder Kyle Lewis) also in the running. Whoever it is, he'll sign for well south of the assigned pick value of $9,015,500, putting the Phillies in position to spend big on later selections.