Well he murdered his mother and stole that firearm so lets not pretend that it was legally obtained.
And in doing so he exemplified how very dangerous these legally obtained firearms are to society. The gun was legally obtained by its owner...and then it was used by a psychopath to murder innocent children. Had the mother not legally obtained such weapons, many of those children in Newtown would still be alive today.
You don't know that for certain. He committed about 35 felonies, how many more laws do you want him to break? All the laws written don't stop bad people from doing bad things. All your solution does is punish the law abiding... Yeah yeah yeah, I know, law abiding until they aren't. *looking for that dang roll eyes smiley*
... Wait... are you talking about Adam Lanza... did he commit 35 felonies prior to murdering those children? What felonies did Adam Lanza commit before his murderous spree? ... i think the Newton case points out a lot of what is in this discussion. Mrs. Lanza was a law abiding citizen. She obtained these weapons by legal means. She didn't buy the guns for her son. By definition you can call her a responsible gun owner. Where that definition fails in the fact that her son, Adam, had access to those same weapons. ... What we saw was that there is a requirement for all gun ownser to fully secure all of his weapons from family members... or have full control over his family members in order to be responsible for his own gun. Mrs/ Lanza could have either locked away all of her guns from her son... either in a gun safe where she held both of the keys or storge them offsite, away from the home she shared with her son... or sold off the guns until her son was out of the house. That... is being responsible.
Your last passages regarding 'being responsible' will fall on deaf ears. This point has been brought up before to which, the response is always, "Well ya can't defend yourself against the bad guys if your gun is locked up in some locker now, can ya?"
The definition for responsible gun ownership on these pages is as long as you're not shooting anyone with your guns... you're responsible. The need to take precautions with your weapons that are commonplace in Canada are seen as 'ridiculous'. That's why we see 5 year old kids shooting each other.
Well he murdered his mother and stole that firearm so lets not pretend that it was legally obtained.
And in doing so he exemplified how very dangerous these legally obtained firearms are to society. The gun was legally obtained by its owner...and then it was used by a psychopath to murder innocent children. Had the mother not legally obtained such weapons, many of those children in Newtown would still be alive today.
You don't know that for certain. He committed about 35 felonies, how many more laws do you want him to break? All the laws written don't stop bad people from doing bad things. All your solution does is punish the law abiding... Yeah yeah yeah, I know, law abiding until they aren't. *looking for that dang roll eyes smiley*
... Wait... are you talking about Adam Lanza... did he commit 35 felonies prior to murdering those children? What felonies did Adam Lanza commit before his murderous spree? ... i think the Newton case points out a lot of what is in this discussion. Mrs. Lanza was a law abiding citizen. She obtained these weapons by legal means. She didn't buy the guns for her son. By definition you can call her a responsible gun owner. Where that definition fails in the fact that her son, Adam, had access to those same weapons. ... What we saw was that there is a requirement for all gun ownser to fully secure all of his weapons from family members... or have full control over his family members in order to be responsible for his own gun. Mrs/ Lanza could have either locked away all of her guns from her son... either in a gun safe where she held both of the keys or storge them offsite, away from the home she shared with her son... or sold off the guns until her son was out of the house. That... is being responsible.
Your last passages regarding 'being responsible' will fall on deaf ears. This point has been brought up before to which, the response is always, "Well ya can't defend yourself against the bad guys if your gun is locked up in some locker now, can ya?"
The definition for responsible gun ownership on these pages is as long as you're not shooting anyone with your guns... you're responsible. The need to take precautions with your weapons that are commonplace in Canada are seen as 'ridiculous'. That's why we see 5 year old kids shooting each other.
... One would think that... but, you could have that weapon on your person at all times, including when you are watching The Disney Channel with the family and handing out presents on Christmas morning. You can secure the weapon when you go to sleep... or better yet, you can stand guard all night. That way, you can be sure that no one but yourself can ever do anything irresponsible with that gun.
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How about fingerprint identification on the safety? America is a place where Tylenol has to be in a child-safe container but guns have child-friendly operating mechanisms. Simple but I am sure the gun crowd has a reason not to go this route, legitimate or not.
Also, in reference to my comments on AR's and handguns...I am not against AR regulations at all, I just don't think they will accomplish much. When a pyscho can't carry 1 gun with 100 rounds, he will carry 10 guns with 10 each. Maybe we can cut the carnage a little bit, but I doubt it.
How about fingerprint identification on the safety? America is a place where Tylenol has to be in a child-safe container but guns have child-friendly operating mechanisms. Simple but I am sure the gun crowd has a reason not to go this route, legitimate or not.
Also, in reference to my comments on AR's and handguns...I am not against AR regulations at all, I just don't think they will accomplish much. When a pyscho can't carry 1 gun with 100 rounds, he will carry 10 guns with 10 each. Maybe we can cut the carnage a little bit, but I doubt it.
... Adam Lanza had 10 30-round clips for his Bushmaster and fired 153 rounds in 5 minutes. He swapped clips more than he needed to because investigators found 3 unused clips (90 rounds, total), plus several clips with ammo still present... which accounts for the other 57 unspent rounds). He had a total of 300 rounds, on his person, for use in one weapon. My guess... which I freely admit, is based purely on unfounded, wild speculation... is that Adam ran out of moving targets and did not have the mental capacity to hunt down more victims, hiding in terror behind locked doors. As horrible as this crime was... it had the potential of being far worse... in my (unsupportable) opinion.
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why not just put metal detectors up at every public place?? that way no guns go into an area where they shouldn't go. like a school, or a bar, or an airport, etc.
Or we could just put up signs that say "gun free zone", that'll work... oh wait.
no, you want to make someplace safe, you put up metal detectors and people with guns are not allowed inside. it is that simple.
these politicians are fucking cowards. they want people to be able to take their guns into bars, church, school, but i want to take my gun into the senate chamber to watch them debate legislation. why can't i do that? because they won't let me. fucking pussies.
should we be allowed to take our guns into one of the houses of congress or the white house? a real 2nd amendment supporter would say yes.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Well he murdered his mother and stole that firearm so lets not pretend that it was legally obtained.
And in doing so he exemplified how very dangerous these legally obtained firearms are to society. The gun was legally obtained by its owner...and then it was used by a psychopath to murder innocent children. Had the mother not legally obtained such weapons, many of those children in Newtown would still be alive today.
You don't know that for certain.
He committed about 35 felonies, how many more laws do you want him to break? All the laws written don't stop bad people from doing bad things.
All your solution does is punish the law abiding... Yeah yeah yeah, I know, law abiding until they aren't.
*looking for that dang roll eyes smiley*
How exactly is it 'punishing' the law abiding? You could still shoot stuff with some other guns.
So what do I, and millions of others do with our AR's and 30 rd standard capacity magazines?
Well he murdered his mother and stole that firearm so lets not pretend that it was legally obtained.
And in doing so he exemplified how very dangerous these legally obtained firearms are to society. The gun was legally obtained by its owner...and then it was used by a psychopath to murder innocent children. Had the mother not legally obtained such weapons, many of those children in Newtown would still be alive today.
You don't know that for certain.
He committed about 35 felonies, how many more laws do you want him to break? All the laws written don't stop bad people from doing bad things.
All your solution does is punish the law abiding... Yeah yeah yeah, I know, law abiding until they aren't.
*looking for that dang roll eyes smiley*
How exactly is it 'punishing' the law abiding? You could still shoot stuff with some other guns.
So what do I, and millions of others do with our AR's and 30 rd standard capacity magazines?
You are right. There's millions of these in the US as it is the most common sporting rifle made, plus the standard 30rd mag is also one of the top sellers. There could be 10 million or more owners of this particular rifle.
You are right. There's millions of these in the US as it is the most common sporting rifle made, plus the standard 30rd mag is also one of the top sellers. There could be 10 million or more owners of this particular rifle.
What if nobody decides to sell?
If these were sold back to the government the "black market" would step up and run rampant. Thus it wouldn't be beneficial to resell to the government other than to "clear your name" with them.
How about fingerprint identification on the safety? America is a place where Tylenol has to be in a child-safe container but guns have child-friendly operating mechanisms. Simple but I am sure the gun crowd has a reason not to go this route, legitimate or not.
Also, in reference to my comments on AR's and handguns...I am not against AR regulations at all, I just don't think they will accomplish much. When a pyscho can't carry 1 gun with 100 rounds, he will carry 10 guns with 10 each. Maybe we can cut the carnage a little bit, but I doubt it.
Yeah have come to same thought. Smart guns. We though have so many dumb guns but have to start somewhere.
You are right. There's millions of these in the US as it is the most common sporting rifle made, plus the standard 30rd mag is also one of the top sellers. There could be 10 million or more owners of this particular rifle.
What if nobody decides to sell?
Make it a felony to be caught with it with mandatory time.
You are right. There's millions of these in the US as it is the most common sporting rifle made, plus the standard 30rd mag is also one of the top sellers. There could be 10 million or more owners of this particular rifle.
What if nobody decides to sell?
Make it a felony to be caught with it with mandatory time.
So let politicians turn millions of law abiding Americans into felons with the stroke of a pen?
Better start building two things, prisons and morgues.
How exactly is it 'punishing' the law abiding? You could still shoot stuff with some other guns.
So what do I, and millions of others do with our AR's and 30 rd standard capacity magazines?
... How about this... You go to your local licensed gun dealer and register your weapons, if you haven't already done so. ... That way, there is a method to trace the gun if it is ever used as evidence in a crime. It also makes YOU legally responsible for that weapon. Which means, if you are strapped for cash and want to unload your AR-15 with its 30 round magazines, you will have to go back to your local licensed gun shop and transfer the weapon's title to the new owner, after getting verification that the person you are selling it to is not a convicted felon and a known member of a street gang. That is better than making the transfer of your AR-15 to a person, unbeknownst to you, with a criminal record in the far, secluded corner of the Wal-Mart parking lot, like something out of a Quentin Tarrantino movie. Now, that weapon is his problem, no longer yours. You would be considered to be law abiding and responsible.
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I think focusing on guns is never going to work. Lets focus all the private energy and capital used to lobby both for or against gun control on poverty. My hunch is we would reduce more gun related deaths and crime that way than making laws about which type of awesome killing tool you get to own and which kind you don't.
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... If that were the law... and you would not comply. Wouldn't that make you a criminal? i mean, you are asked to register your car. You comply with that, don't you? ... No one is asking you to surrender your weapon. It's just that we don't trust you, because we don't know you. I know that I would feel safer knowing there were armed, trainned and emotionally stable gun owners out there... not just any yahoo to claims to be. I mean, people use the guns va. cars comparison... how about we either licence the guns... or unlicense the cars.
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... No, you came across crystal clear. You would not abide if the law came into affect. Now... I have to ask... why wouldn't you?
Quite simply is that I'm not engaging in illegal activity and allowing politicians to do that should be grounds for punishing them, not the law abiding.
I also believe that registration would lead to confiscation. I'm not a sex offender, I will not register like I were one. I'm doing no harm to anyone. Leave me alone.
... No, you came across crystal clear. You would not abide if the law came into affect. Now... I have to ask... why wouldn't you?
Quite simply is that I'm not engaging in illegal activity and allowing politicians to do that should be grounds for punishing them, not the law abiding.
I also believe that registration would lead to confiscation. I'm not a sex offender, I will not register like I were one. I'm doing no harm to anyone. Leave me alone.
Your last sentences are reasonable. To that end... like my opinion means anything... a moratorium on future sales has been another solution I have suggested in the past. Grandfather past sales, but do not introduce any more weapons into the fold.
Well it's bigger than that. You'd be cutting off an industry that have countless of good paying jobs ending products that are primarily built in this country. You'd dump people on unemployment while killing the tax revenues that some if these states depend on.
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The definition for responsible gun ownership on these pages is as long as you're not shooting anyone with your guns... you're responsible. The need to take precautions with your weapons that are commonplace in Canada are seen as 'ridiculous'. That's why we see 5 year old kids shooting each other.
One would think that... but, you could have that weapon on your person at all times, including when you are watching The Disney Channel with the family and handing out presents on Christmas morning. You can secure the weapon when you go to sleep... or better yet, you can stand guard all night.
That way, you can be sure that no one but yourself can ever do anything irresponsible with that gun.
Hail, Hail!!!
Simple but I am sure the gun crowd has a reason not to go this route, legitimate or not.
Also, in reference to my comments on AR's and handguns...I am not against AR regulations at all, I just don't think they will accomplish much. When a pyscho can't carry 1 gun with 100 rounds, he will carry 10 guns with 10 each. Maybe we can cut the carnage a little bit, but I doubt it.
Adam Lanza had 10 30-round clips for his Bushmaster and fired 153 rounds in 5 minutes. He swapped clips more than he needed to because investigators found 3 unused clips (90 rounds, total), plus several clips with ammo still present... which accounts for the other 57 unspent rounds). He had a total of 300 rounds, on his person, for use in one weapon.
My guess... which I freely admit, is based purely on unfounded, wild speculation... is that Adam ran out of moving targets and did not have the mental capacity to hunt down more victims, hiding in terror behind locked doors. As horrible as this crime was... it had the potential of being far worse... in my (unsupportable) opinion.
Hail, Hail!!!
these politicians are fucking cowards. they want people to be able to take their guns into bars, church, school, but i want to take my gun into the senate chamber to watch them debate legislation. why can't i do that? because they won't let me. fucking pussies.
should we be allowed to take our guns into one of the houses of congress or the white house? a real 2nd amendment supporter would say yes.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
How is a metal detector going to stop anyone from bringing in a gun? Are you saying the Conn shooting wouldn't have happened?
And yes. You can carry inside many state Capitol building iirc. Haven't heard of a shooting there.
So what do I, and millions of others do with our AR's and 30 rd standard capacity magazines?
But remember... it's not just about you.
What if nobody decides to sell?
Wind this thing up.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Better start building two things, prisons and morgues.
Perhaps their fear is justified, people are getting fed up.
I don't condone violence as a first step, FYI.
How about this...
You go to your local licensed gun dealer and register your weapons, if you haven't already done so.
...
That way, there is a method to trace the gun if it is ever used as evidence in a crime.
It also makes YOU legally responsible for that weapon. Which means, if you are strapped for cash and want to unload your AR-15 with its 30 round magazines, you will have to go back to your local licensed gun shop and transfer the weapon's title to the new owner, after getting verification that the person you are selling it to is not a convicted felon and a known member of a street gang. That is better than making the transfer of your AR-15 to a person, unbeknownst to you, with a criminal record in the far, secluded corner of the Wal-Mart parking lot, like something out of a Quentin Tarrantino movie.
Now, that weapon is his problem, no longer yours. You would be considered to be law abiding and responsible.
Hail, Hail!!!
The gun control debate resembles Jingly keys to me, just a useful distraction
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
If that were the law... and you would not comply. Wouldn't that make you a criminal? i mean, you are asked to register your car. You comply with that, don't you?
...
No one is asking you to surrender your weapon. It's just that we don't trust you, because we don't know you. I know that I would feel safer knowing there were armed, trainned and emotionally stable gun owners out there... not just any yahoo to claims to be.
I mean, people use the guns va. cars comparison... how about we either licence the guns... or unlicense the cars.
Hail, Hail!!!
So apologies if I don't give a shit what some politician says.
http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/26/6271916/fbi-california-sen-leland-yee.html
No, you came across crystal clear. You would not abide if the law came into affect.
Now... I have to ask... why wouldn't you?
Hail, Hail!!!
I'm judged by people like that.
Seems a bit unfair.
I also believe that registration would lead to confiscation. I'm not a sex offender, I will not register like I were one. I'm doing no harm to anyone. Leave me alone.
It can't just be that simple to stop making them.