that is a pretty rough story. each one of those criminals are down right disgusting & most definetly deserve to have been smoked by a wall of lead. to bad they all can't, like... you know, die... like, right now or something. straight up scumbags, worse than animals or savages actually. yes big magazines full of lead
I agree one hundred percent gimme. I wish people cared about fellow human beings more than their guns too. and cars, knives, alcohol and tobacco. alas it's not the world we live in.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
Thank god for this thread this place is becoming stale nothing like a gun thread debate , i say arm yourself to the gills ... I don't live my life in fear what is meant to happen to me & family will happen i will not arm myself so i can contribute to the evil of guns & murder ...
What am I missing here? The article mentions nothing of the couple owning a gun or wishing they did. And if, as the article states, their home was broken into while they were asleep, how could anything have been done in those first moments (unless it was right next to or under the bed)?
I have no beef with being legally and responsibly armed, but the OP seems a stretch.
semi-auto shotgun with birdshot is gonna create a better wall of bullets AND it won't make us all as paranoid in public
I was just going to post this. I have shot many different weapons in my life, some for hunting and some for military. I would much rather have my shotgun during a B&E for home defense then an AR, and I have fired thousands of rounds through and M16/M4. To each their own but as far as the AR argument-credibility is built around a viable defense of AR ownership, not just a random act of malicious violence.
that's harsh bro, I never really considered myself an evil person for enjoying guns. always thought there needed to be some intentional maliciousness, crime or negative impact on another persons life to fall into that category. oh wells, to each his own. that's what makes debating fun.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
And I'm the paranoid and fearful one... I carry in states that my permit is valid. I do not carry in my home state because in this commie state I lose rights by participating. I do not advocate breaking laws, even unconstitutional ones. I'm not going before some liberal activist judge to explain why the law is wrong. Thanks for your concern.
You sound like a pissed off citizen of these United States. Why, do tell, don't you exercise some of that god given freedom you're always claiming to be at risk of or having already been taken away and move to a less "commie" state? Say Idaho, Texas or Arizona, much more gun friendly states, yes? What keeps you from your "freedom?" Liberal activist judges, a "commie" state and rampant crime and mayhem where you live, so why aren't you moving?
What rights will you give up by participating and why not work through the democratic process, you know, with help from the NRA, to change the law so you can participate without giving up your rights?
Peace.
... Mr. Halifax... you are making way too much sense in this debate. ... And Mr. Unsung... as it has been stated, why don't you just move? I mean, you relentless complain about the state in which you live... why don't you move to one of those states that will make you happy? Why are you choosing to remain in a state you despise so much? You are free to choose. Move to a state that lets you rock out with your Glock out. And if you are going to worry about every scenario which results in your having to defend yourself with a fully automatic M-16... you will never get any sleep. I don't care how much training you have, you cannot be prepared for every possible situation. I mean, have you had any training exercises where you are awakened by numerous armed assailants in you home... readied, secured and fired your weapon only at the intended targets, not into your spouse'e temple or children's forheads... in the dark? If you have, I commend you. But, you'll need to continue those training exercises from now til forever. Also, as others have noted... you may be sane now... but, will you always be sane? I mean, sometimes you do come off sounding a bit too Kook-Koo for KoKo Puffs with the guns thing. If anyone sounds like a threat to other American citizens... I'd have to put you on the list. Not so much for who you are now... but, who you sound like you might be heading to become. There is nothing scarier than an old paranoid, anti-Government, liberal hating guy with extreme dillusions of gunsmoke glory and a semi-automatic weapon that is either on medications to treat his condition or off his meds and all berserko, walking down the same streets as the rest of us as we walk our dogs to the park. You cannot guarantee any one that you will not have to go on meds 20 years from now... that have a side effect that makes you all loopy. Or that you just lose it and decide we are no longer worthy of life. No offense here... but, I would vote you as Most Likely to Shoot Up Some One... unless you take those steps to find a place where you feel safe. Do yourself a favor. Move to Idaho. Disable your internet connection. Shoot your television set to oblivion. Build your fortress, take home the angriest Pit Bull and German Sheperd from the local animal shelter and have enough kids so you all can take shifts posting armed guard duty while the rest of your family sleeps.
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that's harsh bro, I never really considered myself an evil person for enjoying guns. always thought there needed to be some intentional maliciousness, crime or negative impact on another persons life to fall into that category. oh wells, to each his own. that's what makes debating fun.
.... I'll admit... shooting guns is fun. We used to go out and shoot at targets out at Lytle Creek, east of Los Angeles. The thing I really don't like... some of the people who have guns. There were some pretty scary looking people out there with some pretty fierce firepower. and there were some real dorks that probably should never handle a gun in their lifetime. The problem is... they are out there and they have guns. I am on the side that says we should try to make it tougher for them to get guns... even if it makes me have to jump through hoops if I want to get one... rather than just letting them get guns and hope they will be resopnsible with them.
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Hail, Hail!!!
@cosmo, haha I know exactly what you mean. every time I go to a gun show here(south texas) I see that. people that make you think to yourself, holy shit that guys walking out of here with a gun? like an obvious racist with some kinda Nazi shirt on. i'm down for making it as tough as possible for the shitbirds to get guns and I think most people are. that's where the debate comes in, where do you draw the line? what amount of and type of training is considered enough? and how do you target those people in particular without alienating everyone else? everyone's got their own opinions as far as that goes. personally I don't mind more training, there has been at least one good looking girl in each of my carry conceal classes. but yeah as it stands, a person who has zero knowledge of guns can walk into a place and buy one with ammo without having to be officially trained. at the end of the day it's a very simple device very easy to use(which is why so many kids get them to work), and you know exactly what it's gonna do. if you put a bullet in the chamber and pull the trigger, it's gonna launch that bullet at a high rate of speed and that bullet is going to demolish anything it comes into contact with. you can teach a dumbass, like the guy that blew his brains out teaching gun safety to his girlfriend, till he's blue in the face, that doesn't mean any of it will stick or change him from making stupid decisions. the people that scare me the most are the functioning psychopaths that on paper are clean as whistle but in actuality are totally fucked in the head. how do you keep guns out of their hands when they can meet the criteria of damn near any law put in place?
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
I carry in states that my permit is valid. I do not carry in my home state because in this commie state I lose rights by participating. I do not advocate breaking laws, even unconstitutional ones. I'm not going before some liberal activist judge to explain why the law is wrong.
Thanks for your concern.
You sound like a pissed off citizen of these United States. Why, do tell, don't you exercise some of that god given freedom you're always claiming to be at risk of or having already been taken away and move to a less "commie" state? Say Idaho, Texas or Arizona, much more gun friendly states, yes? What keeps you from your "freedom?" Liberal activist judges, a "commie" state and rampant crime and mayhem where you live, so why aren't you moving?
What rights will you give up by participating and why not work through the democratic process, you know, with help from the NRA, to change the law so you can participate without giving up your rights?
Peace.
Its in the beginning stages but yes there will be a move. I'm fortunate to have certain skills that keep me in demand so I want to be sure everything is lined up before we go. After all I don't want to end up back here.
There are numerous privacy issues one has to opt out of retaining if you want an Illinois permit. It's also ridden with excessive fees and there are too many "gun-free" zones that I don't want to chance accidentally walking into one and getting arrested for some bs "crime".
So it's stated I despise the NRA, probably for different reasons than all of yours.
ahh yes, the you must have a little penis if you own guns notion. very logical and mature bentley, you are definitely one to be taken seriously. wink wink nod nod
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
So, is it the $150.00 fee that you find excessive or the 10 years of residency history and background check that you find giving up your privacy so appalling? Reviewing Illinois’ requirements seems reasonable to me if you meet the criteria for concealed carry as the law was passed. Or, is it that you’re a “rugged individualist” that doesn’t believe the “government” can impose such “restrictions” on your 2nd Amendment rights? A law passed by elected representatives, I might add. Or is it the fingerprint requirement? I’m really trying to understand where you’re coming from on this and it seems if you’re law abiding, and I assume you are, have a $150 bucks and can wait the time for the process to run its course, presto change-o, you have the legal authority to conceal carry and I have the comfort, if I lived in Illinois, that you have been vetted to some degree. Still doesn’t guarantee that you won’t go off the deep end or have a bad day and shoot the heck out of downtown or take a shot at someone who cuts you off in traffic but at least you went through the process and might be deemed “less likely” to do so. Seems reasonable to me. So why the resistance? Doesn’t it seem reasonable to screen people who want to conceal carry and not just allow everyone who so desires the opportunity without being vetted? What restrictions would you require, if any? And help me understand something else. You live in Illinois but the crime you reference and linked to happened in Madison, Wisconsin. Are you going to move to say, the hinterlands of Arizona and link to crimes in Chicago to express your outrage? At what point do you find peace, Unsung? When everyone owns a gun and is armed to the teeth or when there is no more crime? Anywhere, whether your town/city/state/country or elsewhere? My point is, where does it end? Hell, I don’t let horrific crime on the other side of my city disturb me the way a crime in another state disturbs you, to the point of exclaiming it as the reason you need an AR15, an offensive weapon rather than a defensive weapon but to each their own I guess. And what prevents you from “openly” carrying? Is it against the law in Illinois to “openly” carry a firearm? And if not, wouldn’t that be a better deterrent than concealed carry. “Hey, that guy has a gun; better not stick up this store or carjack that driver.” Personally, I don’t want to live in the “wild west” as I believe we’ve evolved and we’re better than that. But if that’s your thing, move to Texas or Arizona or Idaho, where I believe, and I could be mistaken, you can walk around with a pistol on your hip. Hell, maybe even an AR15 over your shoulder.
I don’t want to take anyone’s guns away but I do think they should be licensed, trained to some level of minimum proficiency and safe handling/storage and be required to carry liability insurance. The more responsible you are with your firearm, the less your premiums would be. And maybe some sort of questionnaire at the outset, a list of questions, in an attempt to determine the “need.” A homeowner wanting to protect their property versus a jilted lover who just wants to kill the ex or the fired employee plotting revenge. Kind of the same way the Israelis interview people in airport lines to prevent terrorism. But I know this will never happen and all the 2nd amendment defenders are rolling their eyes right now and writing checks to the NRA because my comment went viral and someone thinks its another attempt by that communist, Stalinist, Marxist liberal government to take their guns away. I know that. One can dream though.
Good luck with the move and I hope it works out for you. They say that moving is the third most stressful thing after a death in the family and a divorce. Be kind to yourself and those around you.
Peace.
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ahh yes, the you must have a little penis if you own guns notion. very logical and mature bentley, you are definitely one to be taken seriously. wink wink nod nod
hey i am goingtoverona this summer on the Euro Tour between Milano and Trieste!
i think this was at least a half-joke, either way, not being able to ignore it doesn't do well to dispell the notion. most people do believe (freudian influence much?) phallic symbols like trucks and guns indicate inadequacy. of course, the inadequacy need not be phallic, that's just the obvious and jokeable one when the size of the phallic symbol is ever increasing. true? i dunno but most people think it!
i used to listen to the War Room with Quinn and Rose on AM radio and the host would always say, it isn't an assault rifle, I haven't assaulted anyone with it. what a childish line of logic.
@cosmo, haha I know exactly what you mean. every time I go to a gun show here(south texas) I see that. people that make you think to yourself, holy shit that guys walking out of here with a gun? like an obvious racist with some kinda Nazi shirt on. i'm down for making it as tough as possible for the shitbirds to get guns and I think most people are. that's where the debate comes in, where do you draw the line? what amount of and type of training is considered enough? and how do you target those people in particular without alienating everyone else? everyone's got their own opinions as far as that goes. personally I don't mind more training, there has been at least one good looking girl in each of my carry conceal classes. but yeah as it stands, a person who has zero knowledge of guns can walk into a place and buy one with ammo without having to be officially trained. at the end of the day it's a very simple device very easy to use(which is why so many kids get them to work), and you know exactly what it's gonna do. if you put a bullet in the chamber and pull the trigger, it's gonna launch that bullet at a high rate of speed and that bullet is going to demolish anything it comes into contact with. you can teach a dumbass, like the guy that blew his brains out teaching gun safety to his girlfriend, till he's blue in the face, that doesn't mean any of it will stick or change him from making stupid decisions. the people that scare me the most are the functioning psychopaths that on paper are clean as whistle but in actuality are totally fucked in the head. how do you keep guns out of their hands when they can meet the criteria of damn near any law put in place?
... Yes, this is a difficult delima we face in America. On the one hand, we have the 2nd Amendment rights to bear arm... on the other side we have a lot of citizens who should be the last persons to exercise that right. Our main problem... America, right now... in our current political climate, is incapable of sitting down and trying to come up with compromise solutions. We argue at emotional levels in the range of frenzied hysterics with the volume turned up to 11. Everything gets lost in the distortion when everyone is screaming at each other and no one is listening. And I agree... MOST Americans want guns only in the hands of those responsible... and accountable for those guns. We do not want any future Adam Lanza out there that can acquire his weapon of choice, just because the only thing on is record is a traffic ticket. And we don't want some one with a stellar record of gun ownership use and responsibility to change by old age or prescribed medications that taint his decision making skills and ends up shooting someone for texting in a movie theater. But, it is a tough problem to solve... coming up with the criteria on who can and who cannot be in possession of a gun. It is a tough problem... and America... today... cannot even begin solve any of the tough problems I know it is impossible to predict and stop every scenario... but, maybe we can at least TRY to better our odds from getting shot by an American with emotional instability and a 9mm handgun while we're out picking up some ice cream from the supermarket. Basically... just because we all CAN own a gun... doesn't mean we all SHOULD own a gun.
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I don't know Cosmo. I really don't know of any real way to keep guns out of the wrong peoples hands. And will even go as far as saying that owning a gun makes some people unstable and not suitable for gun ownership. Through evolution, humans, as well as other animals, worked out a balance as to size, strength and stature. Humans adapted to this and when you see two dudes having an argument, wo guns, normally the one likely to lose backs off. The gun changes this. It allows the weak to get this huge power trip. I realize not all gun owners are like this. This is also evident of those that hoard guns, semi automatic assault with hollow point...its a power trip.
Heck look at Oscor Pistorious...if he didn't have a gun, he'd be training for next event rather than puking in court. Look how he's acted with his gun, showing it off, shooting through sunroofs. He's classic example of weaker human that got his gun muscles. Beleive his handicap in the end caused his behaviour and reading a bit on case think there is a posibility that he killed his girlfreind by mistake...due to his insecurities and his strenghth gained with gun ownership.
Don't have a solution and I'm not for taking peoples right to bear arms away. I also appreciate the mechanics of guns..they are really super cool devices but realize the down side. Also with Unung on his fear of the state..especially at the local level, which corrolates direclty to one of many reasons to abolish the death penalty.
Wish we could come up with a real solution.........just think we'll keep killing each other, not that its bad for the planet.
@cosmo, yeah i'd definitely agree that just because we all can have one doesn't mean we all should. as far as the second amendment goes, personally I've never really cared about it, as a reason to rationalize ownership, same with self defense. i'd be willing to bet that if the guns that existed today existed when they wrote the constitution, there would be different laws. and the odds of needing a gun for self defense are very slim though that changes with where a person lives. my main argument, if you want to call it that, is that I own a bunch of guns but have no plans to hurt or assault anyone, never have. there are literally millions of people exactly like me, and any laws made....are for us, the people who obey them. obviously if a criminal doesn't care about the law against murder, he's not gonna care about not being able to carry a gun in public. I think the extensive background checks and strict penalties for straw purchases should be the main goal of gun reform. the assault weapons and magazine bans are pointless and worthless. I mean we already did it from 94 to 04 and to the best of my knowledge you can't look at that time period and say holy shit look how well the ban worked.
@callen, I hoard guns because there are so many different calibers. that's why I have an assault rifle with hollow points, not because it makes me feel powerful or because it somehow makes my penis feel bigger, but because that's one of the different calibers I enjoy shooting. also i'm not a big fan of survival of the fittest, that just means the biggest and strongest run shit. guns for the weak just even the playing field, despite the fact that some people will do exactly like you said, which is go on a power trip.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
Of course someone will say that they would use my gun against me, however the only way they will use it against me is as a club because they will have to evade a wall of lead first.
you gun users and your really big dreams
Don't tell me you are one of those (i won't use the name I want to) people who sleep with a gun under your pillow or in the drawer beside the bed. Nice country! Nice life!
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I would have as I don't think running out to buy a gun every time someone is the victim of a crime is the only solution. There are many other ways to protect yourself and your loved ones without arming yourself with military style weapons or firearms of any kind. It strikes me as paranoid hysteria to post a title such as that of this thread and then link it to a crime that happened in another state that the OP doesn't live in and write about "walls of lead.". I respect Unsung's right to keep and bear arms but why does every crime solution or home/personal protection solution have to be a firearm of any kind?
According to the link below, Illinois has the following rates of crime per 1,000 residents:
murder: .08; rape: .28; robbery: 1.51; assault: 2.3 and the chances of being a victim of a violent crime is 1 in 241,
For Wisconsin per 1,000 residents: murder: .03; rape: .21; robbery: .81; assault: 1.76 and the chance of being a victim of a violent crime is 1 in 356.
Do these statistics justify buying an AR15 with a 30 round clip? Maybe it depends on where you live within the state? But if it were me, I'd move. And definitely not for me where I live and my stats are very similar for where I live. And I've been here for all of my life but for a 6 year stint in Colorado and I've never been a victim of a crime (knock on wood) other than a car break in and losing my spare change in my ash tray. And I don't own a gun nor fear being the victim of a crime every waking moment. I also don't believe owning a firearm gives you better odds. Contrary, I think they decrease them.
some are born into a family that has guns. this is how some are raised. i find it perfectly normal to have guns. i find it odd as can be when nongun owners believe they know something the rest of us don't. people who are antigun kind of scare me as they seem to be quite upset & radical when a guy wants to protect his family
Of course someone will say that they would use my gun against me, however the only way they will use it against me is as a club because they will have to evade a wall of lead first.
you gun users and your really big dreams
Don't tell me you are one of those (i won't use the name I want to) people who sleep with a gun under your pillow or in the drawer beside the bed. Nice country! Nice life!
yeah dad had a gun in the drawer of the nightstand, guns in the closet, under the bed & sometimes a gun under his pillow. it had nothing to do with big dreams, nice country or nice life. sometimes a guy is on a shit list & sometimes death threats are real. it's all good. nobody got stupid, nobody got killed. relax, breathe
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I don't live my life in fear what is meant to happen to me & family will happen i will not arm myself so i can contribute to the evil of guns & murder ...
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I have no beef with being legally and responsibly armed, but the OP seems a stretch.
Wind this thing up.
Mr. Halifax... you are making way too much sense in this debate.
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And Mr. Unsung... as it has been stated, why don't you just move? I mean, you relentless complain about the state in which you live... why don't you move to one of those states that will make you happy? Why are you choosing to remain in a state you despise so much? You are free to choose. Move to a state that lets you rock out with your Glock out.
And if you are going to worry about every scenario which results in your having to defend yourself with a fully automatic M-16... you will never get any sleep. I don't care how much training you have, you cannot be prepared for every possible situation. I mean, have you had any training exercises where you are awakened by numerous armed assailants in you home... readied, secured and fired your weapon only at the intended targets, not into your spouse'e temple or children's forheads... in the dark? If you have, I commend you. But, you'll need to continue those training exercises from now til forever.
Also, as others have noted... you may be sane now... but, will you always be sane? I mean, sometimes you do come off sounding a bit too Kook-Koo for KoKo Puffs with the guns thing. If anyone sounds like a threat to other American citizens... I'd have to put you on the list. Not so much for who you are now... but, who you sound like you might be heading to become. There is nothing scarier than an old paranoid, anti-Government, liberal hating guy with extreme dillusions of gunsmoke glory and a semi-automatic weapon that is either on medications to treat his condition or off his meds and all berserko, walking down the same streets as the rest of us as we walk our dogs to the park. You cannot guarantee any one that you will not have to go on meds 20 years from now... that have a side effect that makes you all loopy. Or that you just lose it and decide we are no longer worthy of life. No offense here... but, I would vote you as Most Likely to Shoot Up Some One... unless you take those steps to find a place where you feel safe.
Do yourself a favor. Move to Idaho. Disable your internet connection. Shoot your television set to oblivion. Build your fortress, take home the angriest Pit Bull and German Sheperd from the local animal shelter and have enough kids so you all can take shifts posting armed guard duty while the rest of your family sleeps.
Hail, Hail!!!
I'll admit... shooting guns is fun. We used to go out and shoot at targets out at Lytle Creek, east of Los Angeles.
The thing I really don't like... some of the people who have guns. There were some pretty scary looking people out there with some pretty fierce firepower. and there were some real dorks that probably should never handle a gun in their lifetime.
The problem is... they are out there and they have guns. I am on the side that says we should try to make it tougher for them to get guns... even if it makes me have to jump through hoops if I want to get one... rather than just letting them get guns and hope they will be resopnsible with them.
Hail, Hail!!!
To make up for other inadequacies.
Wink wink nod nod
Its in the beginning stages but yes there will be a move. I'm fortunate to have certain skills that keep me in demand so I want to be sure everything is lined up before we go. After all I don't want to end up back here.
There are numerous privacy issues one has to opt out of retaining if you want an Illinois permit. It's also ridden with excessive fees and there are too many "gun-free" zones that I don't want to chance accidentally walking into one and getting arrested for some bs "crime".
So it's stated I despise the NRA, probably for different reasons than all of yours.
And help me understand something else. You live in Illinois but the crime you reference and linked to happened in Madison, Wisconsin. Are you going to move to say, the hinterlands of Arizona and link to crimes in Chicago to express your outrage? At what point do you find peace, Unsung? When everyone owns a gun and is armed to the teeth or when there is no more crime? Anywhere, whether your town/city/state/country or elsewhere? My point is, where does it end? Hell, I don’t let horrific crime on the other side of my city disturb me the way a crime in another state disturbs you, to the point of exclaiming it as the reason you need an AR15, an offensive weapon rather than a defensive weapon but to each their own I guess. And what prevents you from “openly” carrying? Is it against the law in Illinois to “openly” carry a firearm? And if not, wouldn’t that be a better deterrent than concealed carry. “Hey, that guy has a gun; better not stick up this store or carjack that driver.” Personally, I don’t want to live in the “wild west” as I believe we’ve evolved and we’re better than that. But if that’s your thing, move to Texas or Arizona or Idaho, where I believe, and I could be mistaken, you can walk around with a pistol on your hip. Hell, maybe even an AR15 over your shoulder.
I don’t want to take anyone’s guns away but I do think they should be licensed, trained to some level of minimum proficiency and safe handling/storage and be required to carry liability insurance. The more responsible you are with your firearm, the less your premiums would be. And maybe some sort of questionnaire at the outset, a list of questions, in an attempt to determine the “need.” A homeowner wanting to protect their property versus a jilted lover who just wants to kill the ex or the fired employee plotting revenge. Kind of the same way the Israelis interview people in airport lines to prevent terrorism. But I know this will never happen and all the 2nd amendment defenders are rolling their eyes right now and writing checks to the NRA because my comment went viral and someone thinks its another attempt by that communist, Stalinist, Marxist liberal government to take their guns away. I know that. One can dream though.
Good luck with the move and I hope it works out for you. They say that moving is the third most stressful thing after a death in the family and a divorce. Be kind to yourself and those around you.
Peace.
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• Be able to provide the last ten years of residency.
• Fingerprints – Electronic fingerprints will expedite your application! Specify to the Live Scan vendor that your fingerprint application is for the Concealed Carry application (ORI = IL920707Z, Purpose Code = CCW).
NOTE: Applicants will be assigned a transaction control number (TCN) at the time of fingerprinting and will be required to retain that TCN to complete the application.
• $150.00 payable with a credit card or electronic check.
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i think this was at least a half-joke, either way, not being able to ignore it doesn't do well to dispell the notion. most people do believe (freudian influence much?) phallic symbols like trucks and guns indicate inadequacy. of course, the inadequacy need not be phallic, that's just the obvious and jokeable one when the size of the phallic symbol is ever increasing. true? i dunno but most people think it!
i used to listen to the War Room with Quinn and Rose on AM radio and the host would always say, it isn't an assault rifle, I haven't assaulted anyone with it. what a childish line of logic.
Yes, this is a difficult delima we face in America. On the one hand, we have the 2nd Amendment rights to bear arm... on the other side we have a lot of citizens who should be the last persons to exercise that right.
Our main problem... America, right now... in our current political climate, is incapable of sitting down and trying to come up with compromise solutions. We argue at emotional levels in the range of frenzied hysterics with the volume turned up to 11. Everything gets lost in the distortion when everyone is screaming at each other and no one is listening.
And I agree... MOST Americans want guns only in the hands of those responsible... and accountable for those guns. We do not want any future Adam Lanza out there that can acquire his weapon of choice, just because the only thing on is record is a traffic ticket. And we don't want some one with a stellar record of gun ownership use and responsibility to change by old age or prescribed medications that taint his decision making skills and ends up shooting someone for texting in a movie theater. But, it is a tough problem to solve... coming up with the criteria on who can and who cannot be in possession of a gun. It is a tough problem... and America... today... cannot even begin solve any of the tough problems
I know it is impossible to predict and stop every scenario... but, maybe we can at least TRY to better our odds from getting shot by an American with emotional instability and a 9mm handgun while we're out picking up some ice cream from the supermarket.
Basically... just because we all CAN own a gun... doesn't mean we all SHOULD own a gun.
Hail, Hail!!!
Through evolution, humans, as well as other animals, worked out a balance as to size, strength and stature. Humans adapted to this and when you see two dudes having an argument, wo guns, normally the one likely to lose backs off. The gun changes this. It allows the weak to get this huge power trip. I realize not all gun owners are like this. This is also evident of those that hoard guns, semi automatic assault with hollow point...its a power trip.
Heck look at Oscor Pistorious...if he didn't have a gun, he'd be training for next event rather than puking in court. Look how he's acted with his gun, showing it off, shooting through sunroofs. He's classic example of weaker human that got his gun muscles. Beleive his handicap in the end caused his behaviour and reading a bit on case think there is a posibility that he killed his girlfreind by mistake...due to his insecurities and his strenghth gained with gun ownership.
Don't have a solution and I'm not for taking peoples right to bear arms away. I also appreciate the mechanics of guns..they are really super cool devices but realize the down side. Also with Unung on his fear of the state..especially at the local level, which corrolates direclty to one of many reasons to abolish the death penalty.
Wish we could come up with a real solution.........just think we'll keep killing each other, not that its bad for the planet.
Peace
@callen, I hoard guns because there are so many different calibers. that's why I have an assault rifle with hollow points, not because it makes me feel powerful or because it somehow makes my penis feel bigger, but because that's one of the different calibers I enjoy shooting. also i'm not a big fan of survival of the fittest, that just means the biggest and strongest run shit. guns for the weak just even the playing field, despite the fact that some people will do exactly like you said, which is go on a power trip.
Don't tell me you are one of those (i won't use the name I want to) people who sleep with a gun under your pillow or in the drawer beside the bed. Nice country! Nice life!
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
would everyone still have jumped on unsung if the title of this thread was: "This is why I NEED a handgun" or "This is why I NEED a shotgun"?
for curiousity's sake. not getting involved in a gun argument with you folks :ar!
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
According to the link below, Illinois has the following rates of crime per 1,000 residents:
murder: .08; rape: .28; robbery: 1.51; assault: 2.3 and the chances of being a victim of a violent crime is 1 in 241,
For Wisconsin per 1,000 residents: murder: .03; rape: .21; robbery: .81; assault: 1.76 and the chance of being a victim of a violent crime is 1 in 356.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/crime/
Do these statistics justify buying an AR15 with a 30 round clip? Maybe it depends on where you live within the state? But if it were me, I'd move. And definitely not for me where I live and my stats are very similar for where I live. And I've been here for all of my life but for a 6 year stint in Colorado and I've never been a victim of a crime (knock on wood) other than a car break in and losing my spare change in my ash tray. And I don't own a gun nor fear being the victim of a crime every waking moment. I also don't believe owning a firearm gives you better odds. Contrary, I think they decrease them.
Peace.
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
it had nothing to do with big dreams, nice country or nice life. sometimes a guy is on a shit list & sometimes death threats are real. it's all good. nobody got stupid, nobody got killed. relax, breathe
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce