This is why I NEED an AR-15 with 30rd mags

brianlux

goingtoverona said:

oh and brianlux, an mp5 is a great gun, but your average gun enthusiast can't afford them as the full auto will set you back 15 to 25 grand depending on model and accessories.

No price to great for safety, my friend! Never leave home without it!

gimmesometruth27

i will just leave this here. there are essentially gun country clubs. maybe utopia for some people.

http://news.yahoo.com/surge-in-luxury-shooting-clubs-caters-to-new-gun-culture-145240612.html

g under p

brianlux said:

If you really want to protect your family you might consider creating a wall of death. Forget the wussy assed AR-15. Get yourself a Heckler & Koch MP5/MP5K/MP5SD submachine gun, a Multi-shot Accessory Underbarrel Launcher, and surround your home with concertina wire, several M18A1 Claymore Anti-personnel mines, guard towers and flame throwers. Don't forget to install underground bunkers. No fear. Oo RAH!

Brian, don't forget a moat....I love moats especially if its stocked with bass or Japanese koi and a few floating land mines.

Peace

goingtoverona

thanks for posting that gimmie. the place looks pretty damn cool, but it is for the wealthy that's for sure. just the rounds cost enough to make shooting an expensive hobby. my AR rounds cost about a buck a piece so with a 30 round mag it starts to add up real quick. place did look cool though.

Halifax2TheMax

Here’s the issue, Unsung, as I see it. You post and communicate as if gun ownership is the only solution to these horrific crimes you link to justify the unfettered ownership of firearms. Guns are not the only solution to home protection. Have you considered getting a medium size to large dog with a loud bark? How about reinforcing your entry doors with multiple locks? Installing an alarm system with a panic button? Motion sensor exterior lighting? Think about it, not every problem has to be solved by or with a gun.

The other concern many of us non gun owners have is the risk factor involved with gun ownership and some innocent being injured or killed accidently or in a moment of rage by an otherwise “responsible” and “reasonable” gun owner. You yourself have posted an apology for lashing out at a fellow board member in another thread and stating, and I’m paraphrasing, “you were having a really bad week and the incident really bothered you (in reference to the police beating a man to death, I believe).” You have also claimed in another thread to walk into retail establishments that post “No CC Allowed” to confront the person behind the counter by stating your desire to take your business elsewhere. See? Carrying a concealed weapon and actively “confronting” someone because you don’t like their stance, position or desire to conduct their business a certain way. Now let’s say the said owner of said establishment is having a real bad day and maybe you are as well and he tells you to go F yourself and you say something back and because his dog crapped on the carpet that morning and he stepped in it and his previous week’s sales were less than anticipated and that business deal he had been working on for a year fell through, he decides to respond to your last comment by throwing his hot cup of coffee at you. You in turn feel “assaulted” and that your “physical safety” was threatened so you pull out your weapon and put two in his chest like you’ve been practicing at the gun range. Or some poor kid goes off the road at 3:00 a.m. and his cell phone is out of juice and he walks up to your house and bangs on the door wanting to use your phone. Or the group of high school kids toilet paper your tree in your yard when you’ve had a “bad day.” You want us to believe that all “responsible” gun owners are rational just as you want us to believe that all cops are evil and regularly and openly violating our civil liberties. Well then, would it be reasonable of me to think of all gun owners as irresponsible trigger happy nut jobs? I mean when you think of the police and how many there are (1.2 million comes to mind) and how many hours per day they work Xs the number of days in a year and compare that with the number of individuals killed by police in a year, on average, (300) by all causes, inclusive of fleeing the scene, refusing to drop a weapon or pulling a weapon or actively shooting at the police, and subtract these, the number of people randomly beaten to death or killed by the police is small in number(I believe one death is one too many and tragic but some people, criminals fleeing or shooting at cops get what they deserve, IMHO). But you make each case of police brutality into a concerted effort by law enforcement to squelch our individual freedoms and there’s some vast conspiracy afoot to trample the constitution. Most policing is a local function at the local or state level where the libertarians want their government control. I would call this paranoid and delusion thinking. And coupled with gun ownership, down right scary. If I lived next door to you and you spouted some of the stuff you post in the forums in public and I knew you owned a gun or guns and had a CC permit, I’d put my house on the market and move. Simple as that. I wouldn’t go buy my own gun to counter yours. I’d move. I’m sick and tired of people being shot and injured or killed by so called “responsible” gun owners and the idea that gun ownership should be completely unfettered. I’m sick and tired of this mantra that by requiring background checks, licensing and effective training to safely handle a firearm or a requirement to carry liability insurance or some kind of required registration upon sale or transfer, to cut down on gun trafficking and straw purchases, that this is somehow a violation of the 2nd amendment and a threat to our civil liberties. Michigan offers abortion insurance so why not liability insurance for gun ownership? And you rant about the arms the police carry and the “militarization” of local police forces? Read up on the bank robbery in LA and how outgunned the cops were and how many rounds the bad guys got off before being stopped and you’ll begin to understand the “arms race” at the local level. But I suppose that’s just fine with you? And if so, even scarier.

It must suck to go through life thinking everyone is a potential threat, that you feel the need to arm yourself everywhere you go and look over your shoulder at the “government”, however you define it, and think that someday, you’re going to be the victim of a horrific crime or “jack booted government goons” busting through your front door to take your gun(s) away.

Peace.

jmuscatello

couldn't agree more with this from Halifax2theMax, especially on the moving away part - in a heartbeat
and I could be wrong, but I think unsung has proudly posted that although he does carry, he doesn't have a CC permit, because apparently he is so perfectly tempered and responsible and mentally healthy that he shouldn't have to get a permit. Talk about delusional.

Halifax2TheMax said:

Here’s the issue, Unsung, as I see it. You post and communicate as if gun ownership is the only solution to these horrific crimes you link to justify the unfettered ownership of firearms. Guns are not the only solution to home protection.

I would call this paranoid and delusion thinking. And coupled with gun ownership, down right scary. If I lived next door to you and you spouted some of the stuff you post in the forums in public and I knew you owned a gun or guns and had a CC permit, I’d put my house on the market and move. Simple as that. I wouldn’t go buy my own gun to counter yours. I’d move. I’m sick and tired of people being shot and injured or killed by so called “responsible” gun owners and the idea that gun ownership should be completely unfettered. I’m sick and tired of this mantra that by requiring background checks, licensing and effective training to safely handle a firearm or a requirement to carry liability insurance or some kind of required registration upon sale or transfer, to cut down on gun trafficking and straw purchases, that this is somehow a violation of the 2nd amendment and a threat to our civil liberties.



Peace.

unsung

And I'm the paranoid and fearful one...

I carry in states that my permit is valid. I do not carry in my home state because in this commie state I lose rights by participating. I do not advocate breaking laws, even unconstitutional ones. I'm not going before some liberal activist judge to explain why the law is wrong.

Thanks for your concern.

jmuscatello

it's not concern for you, trust me

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

And I'm the paranoid and fearful one...

I carry in states that my permit is valid. I do not carry in my home state because in this commie state I lose rights by participating. I do not advocate breaking laws, even unconstitutional ones. I'm not going before some liberal activist judge to explain why the law is wrong.

Thanks for your concern.

You sound like a pissed off citizen of these United States. Why, do tell, don't you exercise some of that god given freedom you're always claiming to be at risk of or having already been taken away and move to a less "commie" state? Say Idaho, Texas or Arizona, much more gun friendly states, yes? What keeps you from your "freedom?" Liberal activist judges, a "commie" state and rampant crime and mayhem where you live, so why aren't you moving?

What rights will you give up by participating and why not work through the democratic process, you know, with help from the NRA, to change the law so you can participate without giving up your rights?

Peace.

gimmesometruth27

i work in that commie state in question. people will get their precious cc pass soon enough.

gimmesometruth27

i wish people gave as much of a shit about taking care of their fellow human beings as they do about their god damned guns.

chadwick

that is a pretty rough story. each one of those criminals are down right disgusting & most definetly deserve to have been smoked by a wall of lead. to bad they all can't, like... you know, die... like, right now or something. straight up scumbags, worse than animals or savages actually. yes big magazines full of lead

goingtoverona

I agree one hundred percent gimme. I wish people cared about fellow human beings more than their guns too. and cars, knives, alcohol and tobacco. alas it's not the world we live in.

rgambs

semi-auto shotgun with birdshot is gonna create a better wall of bullets AND it won't make us all as paranoid in public

chadwick

rgambs said:

semi-auto shotgun with birdshot is gonna create a better wall of bullets AND it won't make us all as paranoid in public

i'll take this

slugs, buck shot, which ever.

josevolution

Thank god for this thread this place is becoming stale nothing like a gun thread debate , i say arm yourself to the gills ...
I don't live my life in fear what is meant to happen to me & family will happen i will not arm myself so i can contribute to the evil of guns & murder ...

chadwick

gimmesometruth27 said:

i wish people gave as much of a shit about taking care of their fellow human beings as they do about their god damned guns.

we also have the right to protect ourselves from ppl who don't care for their fellow human beings

hedonist

What am I missing here? The article mentions nothing of the couple owning a gun or wishing they did. And if, as the article states, their home was broken into while they were asleep, how could anything have been done in those first moments (unless it was right next to or under the bed)?

I have no beef with being legally and responsibly armed, but the OP seems a stretch.

oysterjar

rgambs said:

semi-auto shotgun with birdshot is gonna create a better wall of bullets AND it won't make us all as paranoid in public

I was just going to post this. I have shot many different weapons in my life, some for hunting and some for military. I would much rather have my shotgun during a B&E for home defense then an AR, and I have fired thousands of rounds through and M16/M4. To each their own but as far as the AR argument-credibility is built around a viable defense of AR ownership, not just a random act of malicious violence.

goingtoverona

@ jose, just a personal curiosity...what exactly about guns makes them evil?