This is why I NEED an AR-15 with 30rd mags

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  • oysterjar
    oysterjar NH Posts: 1,235
    unsung said:

    You are right. There's millions of these in the US as it is the most common sporting rifle made, plus the standard 30rd mag is also one of the top sellers. There could be 10 million or more owners of this particular rifle.

    What if nobody decides to sell?

    If these were sold back to the government the "black market" would step up and run rampant. Thus it wouldn't be beneficial to resell to the government other than to "clear your name" with them.
    Wind this thing up.

  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    That's the million dollar question. What's the best way forward? Smart guns?
    rgambs said:

    How about fingerprint identification on the safety? America is a place where Tylenol has to be in a child-safe container but guns have child-friendly operating mechanisms.
    Simple but I am sure the gun crowd has a reason not to go this route, legitimate or not.

    Also, in reference to my comments on AR's and handguns...I am not against AR regulations at all, I just don't think they will accomplish much. When a pyscho can't carry 1 gun with 100 rounds, he will carry 10 guns with 10 each. Maybe we can cut the carnage a little bit, but I doubt it.

    Yeah have come to same thought. Smart guns. We though have so many dumb guns but have to start somewhere.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    unsung said:

    You are right. There's millions of these in the US as it is the most common sporting rifle made, plus the standard 30rd mag is also one of the top sellers. There could be 10 million or more owners of this particular rifle.

    What if nobody decides to sell?

    Make it a felony to be caught with it with mandatory time.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,661
    unsung said:

    Jesus man, you are smarter than that.

    How is a metal detector going to stop anyone from bringing in a gun? Are you saying the Conn shooting wouldn't have happened?

    And yes. You can carry inside many state Capitol building iirc. Haven't heard of a shooting there.

    Really? You'd be insane to try and pack heat in CA's Capitol Building in Sacramento. They confiscated my Swiss Army knife during my last visit.

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,031
    brianlux said:

    unsung said:

    Jesus man, you are smarter than that.

    How is a metal detector going to stop anyone from bringing in a gun? Are you saying the Conn shooting wouldn't have happened?

    And yes. You can carry inside many state Capitol building iirc. Haven't heard of a shooting there.

    Really? You'd be insane to try and pack heat in CA's Capitol Building in Sacramento. They confiscated my Swiss Army knife during my last visit.

    exactly. these lawmakers want guns to be able to be carried anywhere except where the lawmakers work. they are scared.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    callen said:

    unsung said:

    You are right. There's millions of these in the US as it is the most common sporting rifle made, plus the standard 30rd mag is also one of the top sellers. There could be 10 million or more owners of this particular rifle.

    What if nobody decides to sell?

    Make it a felony to be caught with it with mandatory time.
    So let politicians turn millions of law abiding Americans into felons with the stroke of a pen?

    Better start building two things, prisons and morgues.

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    brianlux said:

    unsung said:

    Jesus man, you are smarter than that.

    How is a metal detector going to stop anyone from bringing in a gun? Are you saying the Conn shooting wouldn't have happened?

    And yes. You can carry inside many state Capitol building iirc. Haven't heard of a shooting there.

    Really? You'd be insane to try and pack heat in CA's Capitol Building in Sacramento. They confiscated my Swiss Army knife during my last visit.

    exactly. these lawmakers want guns to be able to be carried anywhere except where the lawmakers work. they are scared.

    Perhaps their fear is justified, people are getting fed up.

    I don't condone violence as a first step, FYI.

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    brianlux said:

    unsung said:

    Jesus man, you are smarter than that.

    How is a metal detector going to stop anyone from bringing in a gun? Are you saying the Conn shooting wouldn't have happened?

    And yes. You can carry inside many state Capitol building iirc. Haven't heard of a shooting there.

    Really? You'd be insane to try and pack heat in CA's Capitol Building in Sacramento. They confiscated my Swiss Army knife during my last visit.

    50 states, 50 sets of rules.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    How exactly is it 'punishing' the law abiding? You could still shoot stuff with some other guns.

    So what do I, and millions of others do with our AR's and 30 rd standard capacity magazines?
    ...
    How about this...
    You go to your local licensed gun dealer and register your weapons, if you haven't already done so.
    ...
    That way, there is a method to trace the gun if it is ever used as evidence in a crime.
    It also makes YOU legally responsible for that weapon. Which means, if you are strapped for cash and want to unload your AR-15 with its 30 round magazines, you will have to go back to your local licensed gun shop and transfer the weapon's title to the new owner, after getting verification that the person you are selling it to is not a convicted felon and a known member of a street gang. That is better than making the transfer of your AR-15 to a person, unbeknownst to you, with a criminal record in the far, secluded corner of the Wal-Mart parking lot, like something out of a Quentin Tarrantino movie.
    Now, that weapon is his problem, no longer yours. You would be considered to be law abiding and responsible.

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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I would not comply.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    I think focusing on guns is never going to work. Lets focus all the private energy and capital used to lobby both for or against gun control on poverty. My hunch is we would reduce more gun related deaths and crime that way than making laws about which type of awesome killing tool you get to own and which kind you don't.

    The gun control debate resembles Jingly keys to me, just a useful distraction
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung said:

    I would not comply.

    ...
    If that were the law... and you would not comply. Wouldn't that make you a criminal? i mean, you are asked to register your car. You comply with that, don't you?
    ...
    No one is asking you to surrender your weapon. It's just that we don't trust you, because we don't know you. I know that I would feel safer knowing there were armed, trainned and emotionally stable gun owners out there... not just any yahoo to claims to be.
    I mean, people use the guns va. cars comparison... how about we either licence the guns... or unlicense the cars.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I didn't come across as unclear, did I?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    In the meantime Ca Democrat that supports gun control decides it's more important to traffic illegal guns to gangs.

    So apologies if I don't give a shit what some politician says.


    http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/26/6271916/fbi-california-sen-leland-yee.html

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:

    In the meantime Ca Democrat that supports gun control decides it's more important to traffic illegal guns to gangs.

    So apologies if I don't give a shit what some politician says.


    http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/26/6271916/fbi-california-sen-leland-yee.html

    What a goof. But we shouldn't be surprised by anything politicians do these days should we?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung said:

    I didn't come across as unclear, did I?

    ...
    No, you came across crystal clear. You would not abide if the law came into affect.
    Now... I have to ask... why wouldn't you?
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    unsung said:

    In the meantime Ca Democrat that supports gun control decides it's more important to traffic illegal guns to gangs.

    So apologies if I don't give a shit what some politician says.


    http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/26/6271916/fbi-california-sen-leland-yee.html

    What a goof. But we shouldn't be surprised by anything politicians do these days should we?
    Not at all. But these are the guys that would turn me into a criminal because they want to take something away from me, and millions of others.

    I'm judged by people like that.

    Seems a bit unfair.
  • unsung
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    edited March 2014
    Cosmo said:

    unsung said:

    I didn't come across as unclear, did I?

    ...
    No, you came across crystal clear. You would not abide if the law came into affect.
    Now... I have to ask... why wouldn't you?
    Quite simply is that I'm not engaging in illegal activity and allowing politicians to do that should be grounds for punishing them, not the law abiding.

    I also believe that registration would lead to confiscation. I'm not a sex offender, I will not register like I were one. I'm doing no harm to anyone. Leave me alone.
    Post edited by unsung on
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:

    Cosmo said:

    unsung said:

    I didn't come across as unclear, did I?

    ...
    No, you came across crystal clear. You would not abide if the law came into affect.
    Now... I have to ask... why wouldn't you?
    Quite simply is that I'm not engaging in illegal activity and allowing politicians to do that should be grounds for punishing them, not the law abiding.

    I also believe that registration would lead to confiscation. I'm not a sex offender, I will not register like I were one. I'm doing no harm to anyone. Leave me alone.
    Your last sentences are reasonable. To that end... like my opinion means anything... a moratorium on future sales has been another solution I have suggested in the past. Grandfather past sales, but do not introduce any more weapons into the fold.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Well it's bigger than that. You'd be cutting off an industry that have countless of good paying jobs ending products that are primarily built in this country. You'd dump people on unemployment while killing the tax revenues that some if these states depend on.

    It can't just be that simple to stop making them.

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