Malaysia Airlines loses contact with passenger jet

polaris_x

Loulou said:

Why the hell are the Maldives only saying NOW that they saw a low flying plane?????

i think this just goes to show that airspace is kind of open out there ... thailand reported the same thing ... saw an unidentified blip and ignored it ...

lukin2006

Even if eventually debris were to surface and be found I would think that would not be much help, how far would the debris be carried under water before surfacing? It might be a real possibility that the crash site will never be know and this plane will never be found and may just lie on the bottom of the ocean somewhere. Saw some guy interviewed yesterday that's involved in the search that said "it's like looking for a needle in a thousand haystacks".

The Juggler

that's a lot of haystacks.

so the pilot deleted info off his flight simulator?

polaris_x

except nothing really points to the plane crashing ...

we now know that the plane was intentionally diverted and that primary communication devices were turned off ... why would someone do that, fly the plane for another x hours only to crash it when it could have happened a long time ago?

i would say it looks more and more like the plane was stolen

brianlux

I'm inclined toward the stolen plane theory as well but then question then is, why?

The Juggler

polaris_x said:

except nothing really points to the plane crashing ...

we now know that the plane was intentionally diverted and that primary communication devices were turned off ... why would someone do that, fly the plane for another x hours only to crash it when it could have happened a long time ago?

i would say it looks more and more like the plane was stolen

but if the plane was stolen, whoever took over control would have to be pretty proficient in flying a plane of this size, no?
and didn't the pilot say "goodnight" after the plane made that left turn?

lukin2006

maybe whoever diverted this plane wanted to make it as difficult as possible to find ... and they are spending a lot of time investigating the pilots of this flight ... and I wonder how many pilots have their own personal flight simulators? As for landing this particular I would think it would need a fairly large runway, I would think any remote airport with a sufficient runway the drug enforcement agencies know about ...

lukin2006

The Juggler said:

that's a lot of haystacks.

so the pilot deleted info off his flight simulator?

I know ... I wonder what they are not telling people.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

maybe whoever diverted this plane wanted to make it as difficult as possible to find ... and they are spending a lot of time investigating the pilots of this flight ... and I wonder how many pilots have their own personal flight simulators? As for landing this particular I would think it would need a fairly large runway, I would think any remote airport with a sufficient runway the drug enforcement agencies know about ...

If that were true, then the drug smugglers wouldn't be bothering.
I think it's pretty feasible that, if there are people with money behind this, the plane did manage to land somewhere undetected. I mean, the possibilities are almost endless in the "plane was stolen" scenario..... But the thing that makes it seem somewhat unlikely is that it's hard to imagine why it would have been done considering that no one has made contact about ransom or terrorist threats or anything..... so far, no motive. That's what has me thinking that it was perhaps a hijacking or something, but the plan went awry and the plane crashed anyway.
Whatever it is, this must be absolute torture for the poor families of the missing.

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

maybe whoever diverted this plane wanted to make it as difficult as possible to find ... and they are spending a lot of time investigating the pilots of this flight ... and I wonder how many pilots have their own personal flight simulators? As for landing this particular I would think it would need a fairly large runway, I would think any remote airport with a sufficient runway the drug enforcement agencies know about ...

If that were true, then the drug smugglers wouldn't be bothering.
I think it's pretty feasible that, if there are people with money behind this, the plane did manage to land somewhere undetected. I mean, the possibilities are almost endless in the "plane was stolen" scenario..... But the thing that makes it seem somewhat unlikely is that it's hard to imagine why it would have been done considering that no one has made contact about ransom or terrorist threats or anything..... so far, no motive. That's what has me thinking that it was perhaps a hijacking or something, but the plan went awry and the plane crashed anyway.
Whatever it is, this must be absolute torture for the poor families of the missing.

It seems everyone has their own theory ... my guess it's at the bottom of the Ocean.

polaris_x

The Juggler said:

polaris_x said:

except nothing really points to the plane crashing ...

we now know that the plane was intentionally diverted and that primary communication devices were turned off ... why would someone do that, fly the plane for another x hours only to crash it when it could have happened a long time ago?

i would say it looks more and more like the plane was stolen

but if the plane was stolen, whoever took over control would have to be pretty proficient in flying a plane of this size, no?
and didn't the pilot say "goodnight" after the plane made that left turn?

well ... it could have been one or both of the pilots ... we already know that whoever turned off the communications had a reasonably good knowledge of that ...

PJ_Soul

polaris_x said:

The Juggler said:

polaris_x said:

except nothing really points to the plane crashing ...

we now know that the plane was intentionally diverted and that primary communication devices were turned off ... why would someone do that, fly the plane for another x hours only to crash it when it could have happened a long time ago?

i would say it looks more and more like the plane was stolen

but if the plane was stolen, whoever took over control would have to be pretty proficient in flying a plane of this size, no?
and didn't the pilot say "goodnight" after the plane made that left turn?

well ... it could have been one or both of the pilots ... we already know that whoever turned off the communications had a reasonably good knowledge of that ...

Yeah, the pilot seems shady. But also, I don't find it hard to imagine that if someone else took over the plane they are proficient in flying. Or they could simply force the pilots to do it, and maybe they happen to not be brave enough to take a nose dive instead of following orders (or maybe it took them 7 hours to realize they weren't getting out of the situation, and then took a nose dive). And finally, it's not hard to turn a plane. Anyone can do it if they just look up how on the internet. I took flying lessons and I mastered turning in the air in about 5 minutes. The hard part is taking off and landing.

polaris_x

safe to say ... that all options are on the table now ... pretty bizarre story all around ... hopefully for the sake of the families - they will find out something soon ... although i gotta say that i almost rather think they are alive than know that they are dead ...

PJ_Soul

polaris_x said:

..... rather think they are alive than know that they are dead ...

Only if they turn up alive eventually.... If they just never turn up at all, that's probably a lot worse than knowing they're dead.

polaris_x

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

..... rather think they are alive than know that they are dead ...

Only if they turn up alive eventually.... If they just never turn up at all, that's probably a lot worse than knowing they're dead.

it's not great but i think i'd rather go through not knowing than knowing they are dead ...

PJ_Soul

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

..... rather think they are alive than know that they are dead ...

Only if they turn up alive eventually.... If they just never turn up at all, that's probably a lot worse than knowing they're dead.

it's not great but i think i'd rather go through not knowing than knowing they are dead ...

Yikes. Not me. Because if they never show up, the chances of them being alive is maybe 0.000001%. Yet with the hope that they're still alive, moving on with your life would be basically impossible. Zero closure. I think that would ruin lives rather than make them liveable.
But hey, to each their own!

polaris_x

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

..... rather think they are alive than know that they are dead ...

Only if they turn up alive eventually.... If they just never turn up at all, that's probably a lot worse than knowing they're dead.

it's not great but i think i'd rather go through not knowing than knowing they are dead ...

Yikes. Not me. Because if they never show up, the chances of them being alive is maybe 0.000001%. Yet with the hope that they're still alive, moving on with your life would be basically impossible. Zero closure. I think that would ruin lives rather than make them liveable.
But hey, to each their own!

closure is overrated ... for me, i wouldn't need it to move on ...

PJ_Soul

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

..... rather think they are alive than know that they are dead ...

Only if they turn up alive eventually.... If they just never turn up at all, that's probably a lot worse than knowing they're dead.

it's not great but i think i'd rather go through not knowing than knowing they are dead ...

Yikes. Not me. Because if they never show up, the chances of them being alive is maybe 0.000001%. Yet with the hope that they're still alive, moving on with your life would be basically impossible. Zero closure. I think that would ruin lives rather than make them liveable.
But hey, to each their own!

closure is overrated ... for me, i wouldn't need it to move on ...

Fair enough. If it was my husband or child, I would. I'd have a total mental breakdown if I just didn't know one way or the other.

polaris_x

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

..... rather think they are alive than know that they are dead ...

Only if they turn up alive eventually.... If they just never turn up at all, that's probably a lot worse than knowing they're dead.

it's not great but i think i'd rather go through not knowing than knowing they are dead ...

Yikes. Not me. Because if they never show up, the chances of them being alive is maybe 0.000001%. Yet with the hope that they're still alive, moving on with your life would be basically impossible. Zero closure. I think that would ruin lives rather than make them liveable.
But hey, to each their own!

closure is overrated ... for me, i wouldn't need it to move on ...

Fair enough. If it was my husband or child, I would. I'd have a total mental breakdown if I just didn't know one way or the other.

ya ... can't imagine how you would feel if backseatlover disappeared!

PJ_Soul

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

..... rather think they are alive than know that they are dead ...

Only if they turn up alive eventually.... If they just never turn up at all, that's probably a lot worse than knowing they're dead.

it's not great but i think i'd rather go through not knowing than knowing they are dead ...

Yikes. Not me. Because if they never show up, the chances of them being alive is maybe 0.000001%. Yet with the hope that they're still alive, moving on with your life would be basically impossible. Zero closure. I think that would ruin lives rather than make them liveable.
But hey, to each their own!

closure is overrated ... for me, i wouldn't need it to move on ...

Fair enough. If it was my husband or child, I would. I'd have a total mental breakdown if I just didn't know one way or the other.

ya ... can't imagine how you would feel if backseatlover disappeared!

) I actually hadn't seem him post for a long time - thought maybe he was gone. Not sure how I got through it! .... Then I saw him post today. )