Global warming
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My bad I was under the impression that souther border was a problemCliffy6745 said:
This is most definitely not happening in the US.lukin2006 said:Well it happening in Europe and the States.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
Ever find yourself overwhelmed by negativity that so many subjects can bring on, often for a good reason? I do. And do you try, at least, to find a way to focus on the positive and find hope in these times? I sure do. Yet despite that, the subject of this thread is the most difficult in which to find a bright spot.
I was a little ways up the hill today running errands today- just a short drive from here really- up to Pollock Pines. I hadn't been there since about a month ago. The number of new dead ponderosa and sugar pine trees I saw since just a month ago was staggering. It is widely thought that the epidemic pine trees death due to bark beetles is directly correlated with global warming. How many examples of this sort do we need before we act? Are we deer caught in the headlights, unable to move? Where is the hope in all this.
Sorry for this post but, really, what I saw today was a bit of a mind fuck."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
honestly ... the evidence of global warming hasn't affected me as much as people's attitudes ... our collective heads are so up our asses now it's pathetic ...brianlux said:Ever find yourself overwhelmed by negativity that so many subjects can bring on, often for a good reason? I do. And do you try, at least, to find a way to focus on the positive and find hope in these times? I sure do. Yet despite that, the subject of this thread is the most difficult in which to find a bright spot.
I was a little ways up the hill today running errands today- just a short drive from here really- up to Pollock Pines. I hadn't been there since about a month ago. The number of new dead ponderosa and sugar pine trees I saw since just a month ago was staggering. It is widely thought that the epidemic pine trees death due to bark beetles is directly correlated with global warming. How many examples of this sort do we need before we act? Are we deer caught in the headlights, unable to move? Where is the hope in all this.
Sorry for this post but, really, what I saw today was a bit of a mind fuck.
it's interesting how many movies have been made about how people lead such destructive lives and that if we were governed by some AI or computer - they would make us batteries or choose to get rid of us like a plague ... too bad in those movies - the machines are the bad guys! ... should be us!0 -
I can see that argument. At the same time, we do have the choice to change. We could work to make things better. And why don't we? Maybe we don't because that would not make for a blockbuster movie?polaris_x said:
honestly ... the evidence of global warming hasn't affected me as much as people's attitudes ... our collective heads are so up our asses now it's pathetic ...brianlux said:Ever find yourself overwhelmed by negativity that so many subjects can bring on, often for a good reason? I do. And do you try, at least, to find a way to focus on the positive and find hope in these times? I sure do. Yet despite that, the subject of this thread is the most difficult in which to find a bright spot.
I was a little ways up the hill today running errands today- just a short drive from here really- up to Pollock Pines. I hadn't been there since about a month ago. The number of new dead ponderosa and sugar pine trees I saw since just a month ago was staggering. It is widely thought that the epidemic pine trees death due to bark beetles is directly correlated with global warming. How many examples of this sort do we need before we act? Are we deer caught in the headlights, unable to move? Where is the hope in all this.
Sorry for this post but, really, what I saw today was a bit of a mind fuck.
it's interesting how many movies have been made about how people lead such destructive lives and that if we were governed by some AI or computer - they would make us batteries or choose to get rid of us like a plague ... too bad in those movies - the machines are the bad guys! ... should be us!
I still think it is possible for people to change. Certainly more possible than most of the religious myths that get told as literal truth. We just need to convince people to go after the possible and leave fiction as fiction.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/crowdfunded-electric-car-integrates-solar-panels-self-charging.html
ya ... the battery is not included in the sticker price ... still ... cars like this would satisfy 90% of most commuters ...0 -
Fantastic!polaris_x said:http://www.treehugger.com/cars/crowdfunded-electric-car-integrates-solar-panels-self-charging.html
ya ... the battery is not included in the sticker price ... still ... cars like this would satisfy 90% of most commuters ..."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
So the panels only deliver a small charge per day? Why not remove the panels to lower the price of the car by what I assume would be a large margin?polaris_x said:http://www.treehugger.com/cars/crowdfunded-electric-car-integrates-solar-panels-self-charging.html
ya ... the battery is not included in the sticker price ... still ... cars like this would satisfy 90% of most commuters ...0 -
"[Obama] has been harshly criticized for policies that objectors see as abuses of executive power and far too burdensome for the economy."Cliffy6745 said:
Typical American response. "Screw the planet, man, we want a strong economy."
Insanity."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Yeah, a lot of good stuff in there.brianlux said:
"[Obama] has been harshly criticized for policies that objectors see as abuses of executive power and far too burdensome for the economy."Cliffy6745 said:
Typical American response. "Screw the planet, man, we want a strong economy."
Insanity.0 -
because that charge gives flexibility ... you can use the battery as a generator if you are working away from electricity ... did you get a chance to watch the video? ... it's pretty cool ...cottagesteeze said:
So the panels only deliver a small charge per day? Why not remove the panels to lower the price of the car by what I assume would be a large margin?polaris_x said:http://www.treehugger.com/cars/crowdfunded-electric-car-integrates-solar-panels-self-charging.html
ya ... the battery is not included in the sticker price ... still ... cars like this would satisfy 90% of most commuters ...0 -
exactly ... only been saying this for a decade now ...Cliffy6745 said:
Mr. Obama immersed himself in the scientific literature, which left little doubt that the planet was warming at an accelerating rate. “My top science adviser, John Holdren, periodically will issue some chart or report or graph in the morning meetings,” he said, “and they’re terrifying.”
yet people still look at us enviros as only interested in big gov't and killing jobs ... people are fucking dying because of our ignorance and it's only gonna get worse ...0 -
I will after work. I'm not downplaying the idea of electric cars, just as an engineer the solar panels don't seem worth it if they only add 18.6 mi of charge per day where a power outlet completely charges in 30ish minutes.polaris_x said:
because that charge gives flexibility ... you can use the battery as a generator if you are working away from electricity ... did you get a chance to watch the video? ... it's pretty cool ...cottagesteeze said:
So the panels only deliver a small charge per day? Why not remove the panels to lower the price of the car by what I assume would be a large margin?polaris_x said:http://www.treehugger.com/cars/crowdfunded-electric-car-integrates-solar-panels-self-charging.html
ya ... the battery is not included in the sticker price ... still ... cars like this would satisfy 90% of most commuters ...0 -
it's 80% charge on 30 minutes ... but ya ... the solar panels only add about 30 Km a day ... but if you were to say go on a camping trip for a week ... not only would you have electricity where you are staying ... car will be charged for the ride home without plugging in ...cottagesteeze said:
I will after work. I'm not downplaying the idea of electric cars, just as an engineer the solar panels don't seem worth it if they only add 18.6 mi of charge per day where a power outlet completely charges in 30ish minutes.polaris_x said:
because that charge gives flexibility ... you can use the battery as a generator if you are working away from electricity ... did you get a chance to watch the video? ... it's pretty cool ...cottagesteeze said:
So the panels only deliver a small charge per day? Why not remove the panels to lower the price of the car by what I assume would be a large margin?polaris_x said:http://www.treehugger.com/cars/crowdfunded-electric-car-integrates-solar-panels-self-charging.html
ya ... the battery is not included in the sticker price ... still ... cars like this would satisfy 90% of most commuters ...
also - the repairs is novel too ... if a part is broke - you just mail order the part and there are youtube videos for you to fix it ... that's one of the biggest things about EV's I think people undervalue ... is that there are so fewer parts vs. a combustion engine - it's actually a lot cheaper and simpler to maintain ...0 -
This is amazing! I'm not much of a mechanic but back in the day when I drove a '65 Chevy Malibu, even someone mechanically limited as me could change the oil, the filters, tune the car and adjust the timing. I did all of those on a regular basis. No way would I attempt to do any of those things on my Toyota. Ever! To hear about cars that can be maintained this simply AND run so cleanly... this is promising news!polaris_x said:
it's 80% charge on 30 minutes ... but ya ... the solar panels only add about 30 Km a day ... but if you were to say go on a camping trip for a week ... not only would you have electricity where you are staying ... car will be charged for the ride home without plugging in ...cottagesteeze said:
I will after work. I'm not downplaying the idea of electric cars, just as an engineer the solar panels don't seem worth it if they only add 18.6 mi of charge per day where a power outlet completely charges in 30ish minutes.polaris_x said:
because that charge gives flexibility ... you can use the battery as a generator if you are working away from electricity ... did you get a chance to watch the video? ... it's pretty cool ...cottagesteeze said:
So the panels only deliver a small charge per day? Why not remove the panels to lower the price of the car by what I assume would be a large margin?polaris_x said:http://www.treehugger.com/cars/crowdfunded-electric-car-integrates-solar-panels-self-charging.html
ya ... the battery is not included in the sticker price ... still ... cars like this would satisfy 90% of most commuters ...
also - the repairs is novel too ... if a part is broke - you just mail order the part and there are youtube videos for you to fix it ... that's one of the biggest things about EV's I think people undervalue ... is that there are so fewer parts vs. a combustion engine - it's actually a lot cheaper and simpler to maintain ..."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
these guys built the prototype in a garage with crowdfunding ... imagine if the big automakers really wanted to produce a car that was cheap, reliable and clean!? ... it would be a piece of cake but that's not their objective ...brianlux said:
This is amazing! I'm not much of a mechanic but back in the day when I drove a '65 Chevy Malibu, even someone mechanically limited as me could change the oil, the filters, tune the car and adjust the timing. I did all of those on a regular basis. No way would I attempt to do any of those things on my Toyota. Ever! To hear about cars that can be maintained this simply AND run so cleanly... this is promising news!polaris_x said:
it's 80% charge on 30 minutes ... but ya ... the solar panels only add about 30 Km a day ... but if you were to say go on a camping trip for a week ... not only would you have electricity where you are staying ... car will be charged for the ride home without plugging in ...cottagesteeze said:
I will after work. I'm not downplaying the idea of electric cars, just as an engineer the solar panels don't seem worth it if they only add 18.6 mi of charge per day where a power outlet completely charges in 30ish minutes.polaris_x said:
because that charge gives flexibility ... you can use the battery as a generator if you are working away from electricity ... did you get a chance to watch the video? ... it's pretty cool ...cottagesteeze said:
So the panels only deliver a small charge per day? Why not remove the panels to lower the price of the car by what I assume would be a large margin?polaris_x said:http://www.treehugger.com/cars/crowdfunded-electric-car-integrates-solar-panels-self-charging.html
ya ... the battery is not included in the sticker price ... still ... cars like this would satisfy 90% of most commuters ...
also - the repairs is novel too ... if a part is broke - you just mail order the part and there are youtube videos for you to fix it ... that's one of the biggest things about EV's I think people undervalue ... is that there are so fewer parts vs. a combustion engine - it's actually a lot cheaper and simpler to maintain ...0 -
polaris_x said:
these guys built the prototype in a garage with crowdfunding ... imagine if the big automakers really wanted to produce a car that was cheap, reliable and clean!? ... it would be a piece of cake but that's not their objective ...brianlux said:
This is amazing! I'm not much of a mechanic but back in the day when I drove a '65 Chevy Malibu, even someone mechanically limited as me could change the oil, the filters, tune the car and adjust the timing. I did all of those on a regular basis. No way would I attempt to do any of those things on my Toyota. Ever! To hear about cars that can be maintained this simply AND run so cleanly... this is promising news!polaris_x said:
it's 80% charge on 30 minutes ... but ya ... the solar panels only add about 30 Km a day ... but if you were to say go on a camping trip for a week ... not only would you have electricity where you are staying ... car will be charged for the ride home without plugging in ...cottagesteeze said:
I will after work. I'm not downplaying the idea of electric cars, just as an engineer the solar panels don't seem worth it if they only add 18.6 mi of charge per day where a power outlet completely charges in 30ish minutes.polaris_x said:
because that charge gives flexibility ... you can use the battery as a generator if you are working away from electricity ... did you get a chance to watch the video? ... it's pretty cool ...cottagesteeze said:
So the panels only deliver a small charge per day? Why not remove the panels to lower the price of the car by what I assume would be a large margin?polaris_x said:http://www.treehugger.com/cars/crowdfunded-electric-car-integrates-solar-panels-self-charging.html
ya ... the battery is not included in the sticker price ... still ... cars like this would satisfy 90% of most commuters ...
also - the repairs is novel too ... if a part is broke - you just mail order the part and there are youtube videos for you to fix it ... that's one of the biggest things about EV's I think people undervalue ... is that there are so fewer parts vs. a combustion engine - it's actually a lot cheaper and simpler to maintain ...
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
August Was Another Hottest Month for the Record Books
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/09/12/climate-change-here-august-was-another-hottest-month-record-books0 -
Climate change: California's economy-changing drought could last centuries, say Western University, UCLA scientists
http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/2016/09/16/climate-change-californias-economy-changing-drought-could-last-centuries-say-western-university-ucla-scientistsI have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
Yes, very possible. Century long or longer droughts have happened in the past and we are pushing it to happen again quickly and more severely. More and more people keep moving here. I see families with three or four kids instead of one or two. ROATs (Ridiculously Oversized American Truck) are all over the place. More strip malls are being constructed while many lie half empty. We still have not replaced tree farming with hemp farming. We had suppressed fire here for so long that now large portions of the state burn throughout the summer instead of having the regular smaller natural fires or smaller fires set by Native Americans that kept the underbrush down. And as far as I know, Governor Brown (who I once strongly supported) still wants to allow fracking in California.lukin2006 said:Climate change: California's economy-changing drought could last centuries, say Western University, UCLA scientists
http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/2016/09/16/climate-change-californias-economy-changing-drought-could-last-centuries-say-western-university-ucla-scientists
California will depopulate dramatically as this century progresses. Moving here is an unwise choice."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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