Global warming

polaris_x

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

For any of you who are among the 30% of Americans (30%!!... only in America) who do not believe in global warming (can we stop wussing out by calling it "climate change?"):

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/15/march-temperature-smashes-100-year-global-record

I think climate change is a much more accurate description of what's happening, especially since climate is more than just temperature. "Global warming" can be a pretty misleading term IMO - one that has lead to some of the denial, actually.

again ... nothing misleading about global warming ... just a lack of understanding of the science ...

lukin2006

I have a question. I haven't been in school in quite some time ... so here's my question, Is the science behind global warming mandatory subject material from elementary school upon graduation of high school? Touching on the subject matter in each grade and having a mandatory course each year of high school in order to graduate. Or is their just not that much material to cover.
To me it would seem if the future generations were better educated that might help at least going forward. I work in maintenance for a school board in Ontario and the students and staff do a poor job at recycling, conserving energy, turning off lights, opening windows when the air is running...you get the picture.

I just don't see how this battle is winnable unless we get the educators on board.

It seems to me everyone wants to fix the largest issues, but ignore the small issues when added up are detrimental to the cause as well.

BS44325

Here is some actual science for those who might be interested:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/05/earth-s-climate-may-not-warm-quickly-expected-suggest-new-cloud-studies

http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/2016/05/16/climate-sensitivity-paper/

We are learning more everyday and what we are learning is that the models are off.

BS44325

eddiec said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Okay BS, so forget about the Earth being uninhabitable for second.... What is the point of your point? Inhabitable or not, climate change or not, doesn't everyone want the Earth to be as clean as humanly possible?? That's what I don't get about climate change deniers or those trying to downplay the ill effects that humans have on the Earth. What exactly is their end goal? To say that they don't think we have to work at reducing pollution as much as we possibly can? That they don't really want a clean earth with clean, drinkable water and for animal species to survive and thrive as much as they want corporations to keep raking in the cash? If that is the the point, and frankly I don't see how it couldn't be, whether they care to admit it or not, that is rather horrific and makes no sense to me. I feel like EVERYONE should be on board with the idea that we have to reduce pollution and emissions at the rate that the most hardcore environmentalists are calling for, whether they believe in climate change or not.

Finally we get to the point!

Of course we all want a cleaner earth but your suggestion that to do this EVERYONE should be on board with what the most hardcore environmentalists are calling for is simply incorrect. We do not have unlimited resources to tackle every problem. We should be focusing on solvable problems that we can actually be effective in confronting. Improved drinking water? I'm on board. Reducing pollution? I'm on board. Climate change? I'm out. It is not a problem we even come close to understanding and the only non-solution that is currently on the table is to cripple the energy industry. This will have no measurable impact on the climate yet will absolutely hurt the economy and punish the poorest among us. This is what I don't get about climate change believers...they want a cleaner earth yet put all their focus on a theoretical problem.

Well luckily you are a part of a diminishing minority.

You are actually incorrect. The number of believers are actually decreasing. It is the number of skeptics who are on the rise.

dignin

BS44325 said:

eddiec said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Okay BS, so forget about the Earth being uninhabitable for second.... What is the point of your point? Inhabitable or not, climate change or not, doesn't everyone want the Earth to be as clean as humanly possible?? That's what I don't get about climate change deniers or those trying to downplay the ill effects that humans have on the Earth. What exactly is their end goal? To say that they don't think we have to work at reducing pollution as much as we possibly can? That they don't really want a clean earth with clean, drinkable water and for animal species to survive and thrive as much as they want corporations to keep raking in the cash? If that is the the point, and frankly I don't see how it couldn't be, whether they care to admit it or not, that is rather horrific and makes no sense to me. I feel like EVERYONE should be on board with the idea that we have to reduce pollution and emissions at the rate that the most hardcore environmentalists are calling for, whether they believe in climate change or not.

Finally we get to the point!

Of course we all want a cleaner earth but your suggestion that to do this EVERYONE should be on board with what the most hardcore environmentalists are calling for is simply incorrect. We do not have unlimited resources to tackle every problem. We should be focusing on solvable problems that we can actually be effective in confronting. Improved drinking water? I'm on board. Reducing pollution? I'm on board. Climate change? I'm out. It is not a problem we even come close to understanding and the only non-solution that is currently on the table is to cripple the energy industry. This will have no measurable impact on the climate yet will absolutely hurt the economy and punish the poorest among us. This is what I don't get about climate change believers...they want a cleaner earth yet put all their focus on a theoretical problem.

Well luckily you are a part of a diminishing minority.

You are actually incorrect. The number of believers are actually decreasing. It is the number of skeptics who are on the rise.

Oh really? You have any numbers from a legit source to back that up? Maybe something peer reviewed?

BS44325

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

eddiec said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Okay BS, so forget about the Earth being uninhabitable for second.... What is the point of your point? Inhabitable or not, climate change or not, doesn't everyone want the Earth to be as clean as humanly possible?? That's what I don't get about climate change deniers or those trying to downplay the ill effects that humans have on the Earth. What exactly is their end goal? To say that they don't think we have to work at reducing pollution as much as we possibly can? That they don't really want a clean earth with clean, drinkable water and for animal species to survive and thrive as much as they want corporations to keep raking in the cash? If that is the the point, and frankly I don't see how it couldn't be, whether they care to admit it or not, that is rather horrific and makes no sense to me. I feel like EVERYONE should be on board with the idea that we have to reduce pollution and emissions at the rate that the most hardcore environmentalists are calling for, whether they believe in climate change or not.

Finally we get to the point!

Of course we all want a cleaner earth but your suggestion that to do this EVERYONE should be on board with what the most hardcore environmentalists are calling for is simply incorrect. We do not have unlimited resources to tackle every problem. We should be focusing on solvable problems that we can actually be effective in confronting. Improved drinking water? I'm on board. Reducing pollution? I'm on board. Climate change? I'm out. It is not a problem we even come close to understanding and the only non-solution that is currently on the table is to cripple the energy industry. This will have no measurable impact on the climate yet will absolutely hurt the economy and punish the poorest among us. This is what I don't get about climate change believers...they want a cleaner earth yet put all their focus on a theoretical problem.

Well luckily you are a part of a diminishing minority.

You are actually incorrect. The number of believers are actually decreasing. It is the number of skeptics who are on the rise.

Oh really? You have any numbers from a legit source to back that up? Maybe something peer reviewed?

Holy Crap! There was a big study in Canada (McGill) back in February showing that Canadians didn't believe humans were the cause of climate change and now that I went to get the link they have updated the story:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/montreal/climate-change-yale-project-montreal-study-1.3458142

I remember the original article like it was yesterday because the study's author had the nerve to explain his findings by saying "Canadians were clearly not educated enough on the topic to really understand climate change." Well what do you know...with a little bit of time the researches altered their findings and the CBC ran with it.

Regardless... It is pretty well know that skepticism is on the rise. Here is motherjones

http://m.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/01/global-warming-pause-climate-denial-public-opinion

Here's gallup

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126560/americans-global-warming-concerns-continue-drop.aspx

There are a ton of these and while some are old it is obvious that skepticism is on the rise as the models and nonsensical predictions of Inconvenient Truth fail to materialize.

PJ_Soul

It's laughable that anyone would look at North American sceptiscism as any kind of suggestion that human caused climage change isn't real. There is a massive, yawning disconnect there, lol. We're talking about people who also think Obama is Muslim and Trump has the best interests of Americans as his first priority. Why would their skepticism be under any kind of consideration when discussing climate change? It is the scientists you need to pay attention to. Not a bunch of yokels and money grubbers and oil lovers.

BS44325

PJ_Soul said:

It's laughable that anyone would look at North American sceptiscism as any kind of suggestion that human caused climage change isn't real. There is a massive, yawning disconnect there, lol. We're talking about people who also think Obama is Muslim and Trump has the best interests of Americans as his first priority. Why would their skepticism be under any kind of consideration when discussing climate change? It is the scientists you need to pay attention to. Not a bunch of yokels and money grubbers and oil lovers.

I don't think Obama is a muslim. On the whole I'm also no Trump supporter. I have an MSc degree. I'm also a skeptic. We do exist.

PJ_Soul

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

It's laughable that anyone would look at North American sceptiscism as any kind of suggestion that human caused climage change isn't real. There is a massive, yawning disconnect there, lol. We're talking about people who also think Obama is Muslim and Trump has the best interests of Americans as his first priority. Why would their skepticism be under any kind of consideration when discussing climate change? It is the scientists you need to pay attention to. Not a bunch of yokels and money grubbers and oil lovers.

I don't think Obama is a muslim. On the whole I'm also no Trump supporter. I have an MSc degree. I'm also a skeptic. We do exist.

I wasn't talking about or thinking about you, but okay. Your skepticism also doesn't have any impact on facts.

BS44325

Holy Crap! Mars is warming!

http://www.sciencealert.com/mars-is-actually-still-recovering-for-an-ice-age-that-ended-400-000-years-ago

We're emitting so much CO2 that we're now destroying other planets!

lukin2006

Maybe when we solve the little problems littering

BS44325 said:

Holy Crap! Mars is warming!

http://www.sciencealert.com/mars-is-actually-still-recovering-for-an-ice-age-that-ended-400-000-years-ago

We're emitting so much CO2 that we're now destroying other planets!

Hehehe...

g under p

Neat little thing I came across on Reddit. Btw...I accidentally tapped that lights down feature and oh how these boards are easier on the eyes.

Peace

lukin2006

Revealed: first mammal species wiped out by human-induced climate change

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/14/first-case-emerges-of-mammal-species-wiped-out-by-human-induced-climate-change

polaris_x

recent study says we won't drop 400 ppm CO2 ... people suck

polaris_x

sooo ... we have mass flooding in fort mcmurray, maryland, arizona, and in india (96 have died) ... all this costs the "economy" billions of dollars ... I get why some people don't care about this because the environment is not an issue for them but for those who think the economy is the number 1 issue - why no concern with the impacts of global warming on the economy? ...

PJ_Soul

polaris_x said:

sooo ... we have mass flooding in fort mcmurray, maryland, arizona, and in india (96 have died) ... all this costs the "economy" billions of dollars ... I get why some people don't care about this because the environment is not an issue for them but for those who think the economy is the number 1 issue - why no concern with the impacts of global warming on the economy? ...

I think people will keep their heads buried until rich people start losing their properties to the rising oceans... which should start happening pretty soon, at least down in the Florida Keys and Miami and whatnot. Of course, the situation in California is even more severe, and no one seems to be doing shit in reaction to all that, so I dunno. I figure that people who really run the show - the corporations, the people who rule with their money - need to be severely affected, to the point where they and their companies are dramatically impacted. Could be a while.

polaris_x

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

sooo ... we have mass flooding in fort mcmurray, maryland, arizona, and in india (96 have died) ... all this costs the "economy" billions of dollars ... I get why some people don't care about this because the environment is not an issue for them but for those who think the economy is the number 1 issue - why no concern with the impacts of global warming on the economy? ...

I think people will keep their heads buried until rich people start losing their properties to the rising oceans... which should start happening pretty soon, at least down in the Florida Keys and Miami and whatnot. Of course, the situation in California is even more severe, and no one seems to be doing shit in reaction to all that, so I dunno. I figure that people who really run the show - the corporations, the people who rule with their money - need to be severely affected, to the point where they and their companies are dramatically impacted. Could be a while.

proverbial nail on the head

brianlux

polaris_x said:

sooo ... we have mass flooding in fort mcmurray, maryland, arizona, and in india (96 have died) ... all this costs the "economy" billions of dollars ... I get why some people don't care about this because the environment is not an issue for them but for those who think the economy is the number 1 issue - why no concern with the impacts of global warming on the economy? ...

Crazy making, isn't it!

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

sooo ... we have mass flooding in fort mcmurray, maryland, arizona, and in india (96 have died) ... all this costs the "economy" billions of dollars ... I get why some people don't care about this because the environment is not an issue for them but for those who think the economy is the number 1 issue - why no concern with the impacts of global warming on the economy? ...

I think people will keep their heads buried until rich people start losing their properties to the rising oceans... which should start happening pretty soon, at least down in the Florida Keys and Miami and whatnot. Of course, the situation in California is even more severe, and no one seems to be doing shit in reaction to all that, so I dunno. I figure that people who really run the show - the corporations, the people who rule with their money - need to be severely affected, to the point where they and their companies are dramatically impacted. Could be a while.

They'll never be effected, they'll just build massive homes on higher ground.

brianlux

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

sooo ... we have mass flooding in fort mcmurray, maryland, arizona, and in india (96 have died) ... all this costs the "economy" billions of dollars ... I get why some people don't care about this because the environment is not an issue for them but for those who think the economy is the number 1 issue - why no concern with the impacts of global warming on the economy? ...

I think people will keep their heads buried until rich people start losing their properties to the rising oceans... which should start happening pretty soon, at least down in the Florida Keys and Miami and whatnot. Of course, the situation in California is even more severe, and no one seems to be doing shit in reaction to all that, so I dunno. I figure that people who really run the show - the corporations, the people who rule with their money - need to be severely affected, to the point where they and their companies are dramatically impacted. Could be a while.

They'll never be effected, they'll just build massive homes on higher ground.

Sad but mostly true. There are some business leaders who care but most of the rich on top just figure their money will always buy them what they want like the rich did in Soylant Green, that most prophetic of films. Which goes back to what Free and polaris_x said about voting with your dollars. Feed the monsters as least often as possible!