I do agree that everyone who owns a gun should have more training and knowledge about their power. Owning a gun is a right and it shouldn't be taken away.
I see all your expenses and I wish everyone with a gun was as trained as you are, I bet 98% of people with guns don't have your level of training, and it shows, you paid for it and gathered the knowledge. I'll compare my motorcycle license, I paid to take a 3 day class, learn skills, then get the license. I would not feel comfortable just paying for the license and riding knowing the power and danger behind riding. Thing is, I can go down to the pawn shop, buy a shotgun for $129 and some ammo, and be good to go, and hopefully not kill anyone. No training required. If more people could pay for the class you took I bet there would be a lot less needless gun deaths.
I think that the government should provide the mandatory training when you buy a gun, some 2 day class or something, no cost, well, taxpayer cost. (I would be all for my taxes going toward people who get guns knowing how to use them.) After you do that and whatever background check you can get the gun. At least people would know the history of the 2nd and the power of the gun, some baseline knowledge. (Hell, take 1% of the money the NSA gets to spy on us and it's paid for.)
To answer your question about acceptance. I think it's acceptable because of the power associated with them. Guns are powerful and kill people every day. People in the US think that voting holds no power and 1 vote is unimportant, placing more restrictions on voting (when no one votes anyway) and specifically targeting the poor is the burden. I think more people should vote, it might make a difference. That's one thing gun owners know how to do, vote for their rights, I'll give them that. A lot of people who want more common sense safe guards in place don't.
The costs also can't be compared evenly, Guns are a business, manufactures make guns and charge prices, voting does not.
For fun - African American/poor college kid - $15 and a day off work/class is huge when you're making min wage / have kids to feed / are paying for school. They target the poor knowing they can't afford it. Let's say you make $50K a year, and you paid $2500 for your gun and training, what if they raised the prices to say, $9,000. The rich target the poorer gun owners. Would that be acceptable to you?
... I believe that placing training requirements on gun ownership would not fly with gun control opponents, even though the Second Amendment prefaces it by stating the need for a well regulated militia. The Second Amendment only states that our citizens can rightfully own guns. You need a carry a concealed weapon permit if you choose to bring your gun into public. States can issue permits to carry a cocealed weapons based upon their criteria until there is a ruling by the Supreme Court on this issue. Until then, it is the gun owner's decision to seek out and purchase training. I do not believe taxpayers should foot the bill for a trip to out of state training businesses... just as I don't believe tax payers should pay for transportation to the ballot booths on election day. If you want basic to advanced gun training, check out your local police, sheriffs or state police. I went to a gun safety course at the Long Beach Police Academy years ago... and it was free. The advanced classes had training fees because it provided more time on the firing range.
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right, exactly, I didn't mean an out of state trip or anything. Just like you said local police or something like that. I think when I was young I had the training at a rod and gun club or something. A few hours to learn how to handle it safely and learn it isn't a toy.
Wouldn't it be funny if the world ended in 2010, with lots of fire?
right, exactly, I didn't mean an out of state trip or anything. Just like you said local police or something like that. I think when I was young I had the training at a rod and gun club or something. A few hours to learn how to handle it safely and learn it isn't a toy.
... I think that most people believe the sentiment that with the decision a person makes to become a gun owner, you should take on all of the responsibilities that come along with it. The gun ownership inherently comes with great responsibility... including the responsibility to prove to us that you are not going to pose a threat to the rest of us, because you've had a bad day. I don't know who is emotionally stable and who is not... and just saying, "I am mentally and emotionally stable' is not proof.
That is why many Americans are calling for greater restrictions on who can walk into a licensed gun shop and buy a gun. I think that avenue is pretty much regulated with background checks and waiting periods. It is the sale of weapons in the secondary market... from private gun owners looking to sell a legally obtained weapon to anyone in the general public. Those responsible gun owners should be held responsible for the transfer of their weapons. Some psycho will know that if he gets a gun from a seller on Craigslist or a gun show, he can lay down the cash and get it right now... no background check, no waiting period. That is something we might want to look at... shutting down that massive hole in the system. But, the NRA stance is that it is not the sellers's responsibility... whereas other will disagree.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
There used to be training provided, and free of charge, it was in high school shooting classes. Guess who got rid of it? The same people today screaming for more restrictions and better training.
There used to be training provided, and free of charge, it was in high school shooting classes. Guess who got rid of it? The same people today screaming for more restrictions and better training.
what a coincidence.... driver's ed, classical languages, and many music and fine arts programs have also been cut from high schools .... do you blame that on the screaming liberals too?
There used to be training provided, and free of charge, it was in high school shooting classes. Guess who got rid of it? The same people today screaming for more restrictions and better training.
what a coincidence.... driver's ed, classical languages, and many music and fine arts programs have also been cut from high schools .... do you blame that on the screaming liberals too?
... I don't remember gun shooting classes in high school. In my high school, metal shop was dangerous enough when kids were making throwing stars. And metal shop is gone now... so is wood shop, industrial arts, drafting/arcitecture and home economics. Those are gone because of money... and we all know, Liberals are the only one concerned with money.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Unsung I wish they could bring them back, I never had em. A high school shooting class isn't really feasible nowadays though is it. One slip up and there's a lawsuit and you have to get rid of the class and fire the teacher. And don't get me started with education, I work there and see a lot. It's always one of the first things to get cut and never ever given money, by either D or R. And the way things are now there's barely time for students to get enough credits to graduate, let alone take electives of ANY kind. All the money in education is with the lobbyists in Washington, who push for new national tests every year. Wasn't the point of a test to find out what kids know and don't know so you can teach them better? Oh yeah you don't get the results of the test until next year? Awesome.
Cosmo I agree, way to easy for anyone to get a gun. In addition to sales anywhere, most kids I ask in school know where guns are kept in their house, uncles house, grandparents house, and friends house. And teenagers are much more likely to be undiagnosed and emotional, bullied, etc... leading to, you guessed it, school shootings...
Wouldn't it be funny if the world ended in 2010, with lots of fire?
Cosmo I agree, way to easy for anyone to get a gun. In addition to sales anywhere, most kids I ask in school know where guns are kept in their house, uncles house, grandparents house, and friends house. And teenagers are much more likely to be undiagnosed and emotional, bullied, etc... leading to, you guessed it, school shootings...
... I think the people who think more guns at schools will make schools safer... maybe they just don't remember what high school was like... or don't know how high scools ARE these days. Putting guns into the hands of high school kids... yeah, i don't see how anything can possibly go wrong with that because we know how responsible kids can be. When i was in High School, we had an open campus and it still felt like a prison to us. The school in the bedroom community I live in now has a closed campus. They had metal detectors at the gates for a while, but community pressure got rid of them. The kids are still subject to 'random stop/searches' on campus and they never replaced the lockers they removed in the 90s when everyone was freaking out. So, even today... at schools WITH metal detectors at the doors... there are shootings. The most common ones occur outside the campus... or more likely, at parties. Arming the principle isn't going to do shit except turn our schools into moderate security outposts to keep our kids safe from the rest us us. And if you are going to arm teachers and administrators and train them a security personel... you need to pay them a lot more than you are paying them today.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
in my region of ohio, when these terrible incidents occur, there are ALWAYS several comments in the newsaper that say "This is because we took prayer out of our schools. Bring prayer back and this will end." what i'm getting at is that it is very nice to have not read that comment anywhere here!!!
handguns kill the vast majority how about we ban any guns shorter than 30 inches??? lol just a joke i don't want to join the gun debate!
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I believe that placing training requirements on gun ownership would not fly with gun control opponents, even though the Second Amendment prefaces it by stating the need for a well regulated militia. The Second Amendment only states that our citizens can rightfully own guns. You need a carry a concealed weapon permit if you choose to bring your gun into public. States can issue permits to carry a cocealed weapons based upon their criteria until there is a ruling by the Supreme Court on this issue.
Until then, it is the gun owner's decision to seek out and purchase training. I do not believe taxpayers should foot the bill for a trip to out of state training businesses... just as I don't believe tax payers should pay for transportation to the ballot booths on election day. If you want basic to advanced gun training, check out your local police, sheriffs or state police. I went to a gun safety course at the Long Beach Police Academy years ago... and it was free. The advanced classes had training fees because it provided more time on the firing range.
Hail, Hail!!!
I think that most people believe the sentiment that with the decision a person makes to become a gun owner, you should take on all of the responsibilities that come along with it. The gun ownership inherently comes with great responsibility... including the responsibility to prove to us that you are not going to pose a threat to the rest of us, because you've had a bad day. I don't know who is emotionally stable and who is not... and just saying, "I am mentally and emotionally stable' is not proof.
That is why many Americans are calling for greater restrictions on who can walk into a licensed gun shop and buy a gun. I think that avenue is pretty much regulated with background checks and waiting periods. It is the sale of weapons in the secondary market... from private gun owners looking to sell a legally obtained weapon to anyone in the general public. Those responsible gun owners should be held responsible for the transfer of their weapons. Some psycho will know that if he gets a gun from a seller on Craigslist or a gun show, he can lay down the cash and get it right now... no background check, no waiting period. That is something we might want to look at... shutting down that massive hole in the system.
But, the NRA stance is that it is not the sellers's responsibility... whereas other will disagree.
Hail, Hail!!!
There used to be training provided, and free of charge, it was in high school shooting classes. Guess who got rid of it? The same people today screaming for more restrictions and better training.
I don't remember gun shooting classes in high school. In my high school, metal shop was dangerous enough when kids were making throwing stars.
And metal shop is gone now... so is wood shop, industrial arts, drafting/arcitecture and home economics. Those are gone because of money... and we all know, Liberals are the only one concerned with money.
Hail, Hail!!!
I wish they could bring them back, I never had em. A high school shooting class isn't really feasible nowadays though is it. One slip up and there's a lawsuit and you have to get rid of the class and fire the teacher.
And don't get me started with education, I work there and see a lot. It's always one of the first things to get cut and never ever given money, by either D or R. And the way things are now there's barely time for students to get enough credits to graduate, let alone take electives of ANY kind. All the money in education is with the lobbyists in Washington, who push for new national tests every year. Wasn't the point of a test to find out what kids know and don't know so you can teach them better? Oh yeah you don't get the results of the test until next year? Awesome.
Cosmo I agree, way to easy for anyone to get a gun. In addition to sales anywhere, most kids I ask in school know where guns are kept in their house, uncles house, grandparents house, and friends house. And teenagers are much more likely to be undiagnosed and emotional, bullied, etc... leading to, you guessed it, school shootings...
I think the people who think more guns at schools will make schools safer... maybe they just don't remember what high school was like... or don't know how high scools ARE these days. Putting guns into the hands of high school kids... yeah, i don't see how anything can possibly go wrong with that because we know how responsible kids can be.
When i was in High School, we had an open campus and it still felt like a prison to us. The school in the bedroom community I live in now has a closed campus. They had metal detectors at the gates for a while, but community pressure got rid of them. The kids are still subject to 'random stop/searches' on campus and they never replaced the lockers they removed in the 90s when everyone was freaking out.
So, even today... at schools WITH metal detectors at the doors... there are shootings. The most common ones occur outside the campus... or more likely, at parties. Arming the principle isn't going to do shit except turn our schools into moderate security outposts to keep our kids safe from the rest us us. And if you are going to arm teachers and administrators and train them a security personel... you need to pay them a lot more than you are paying them today.
Hail, Hail!!!
"This is because we took prayer out of our schools. Bring prayer back and this will end."
what i'm getting at is that it is very nice to have not read that comment anywhere here!!!
handguns kill the vast majority how about we ban any guns shorter than 30 inches??? lol just a joke i don't want to join the gun debate!
columbine, aurora, this and now some kid lit himself on fire in a school cafeteria
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