I do not think it is responsible for people to have guns laying around. In my state it is actually a crime to do so. But we are getting off the topic here. He said, "And really, the best argument that I can hear, or the one that they have outside of, you know, being in the Constitution is that it’s fun. It’s fun. And so is driving at night at 95 miles an hour. I get so angry that I almost wish bad things upon these people." Which means the people that have fun with guns. And then he states that he doesn't have to because bad things happen to them anyway.
So he states that he gets angry at people that say its fun to shoot guns and then "almost" wishes bad things on them. And I don't know how spontaneous his thought was because he also states " if I didn't have music to kind of at least get some of the aggression out or take the edge off, I think that you wouldn't want me having a gun either." Thats a bold statement.
My point is, I feel that it is not right to wish ill on others just because they believe in something different than there own. Its ok to disagree, not ok to wish horrible things or almost wish horrible things onto others.
Have you never felt so passionately about something that you had fleeting thoughts like this? Ed's statement does not sound like one coming from an irrational person. People who feel anger at others else and act on that anger by hurting them are more likely to be sociopaths. People who feel anger toward others and express their anger verbally but vent it through a creative process like music are normal people.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I wonder if he has armed security. If he does he is a hypocrite.
i believe he had a stone & cement wall built around at least the front of his home that faces the street due to folks crashing into his home. i believe the first car smacked into his home fucking shit up... crazed fans ya know
then the wall was erected. then car # 2 rams his security wall at 50 mph. crazed fans loving him so much they wanna harm him & his family.
this is what i gather from watching a short clip interview on the matter.
if i were ed... shotguns & handguns ON as well as samuari swords
i'd be teaching my children & wife how to take care of themselves. my wife & kids would know how to handle all the weapons listed as well as know self defense techniques. training of some kind is pretty much an everyday ritual; physical fitness, target shooting, on & on.
I am extremely close to wishing bad things on these fuckers: http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/loca ... 51271.html They definitely need to not ever bring that shit to Newtown... That they'd even think about it shows their lack of decency.
So he wants to defend himself and his family? Odd, so do I.
& that is fine & expected by most folks. what is ridiculous is the wreckless folks leaving guns & ammo lying about freely so a small child who knows nothing about guns can easily & on accident smoke someone or & themselves or 'george' family python. (snakes & guns.. :evil: ..frig). (run)
wreckless adults leaving guns & ammo laying around are brain dead. i am going to admit that my dad was even an asshole with shit for brains as he had both loaded & unloaded weapons all over the place. the deal is he trusted us boys beyond a shadow of doubt. the only reason someone was not killed or injured is actually a fucking miracle as well as a straight up fact that us boys were not fucking stupid little shits with guns. guns were left alone unless pops was home. by the way... i am confident when we were 4 yrs old, dad didn't leave loaded guns on his night stand.
we were put through full on bootcamp & pops & grandpa did not fuck around. guns were serious business in our home. i am confident most homes with guns lying about freely in them are run by parents going the extra 25 miles to educate their kids about gun safety.
again, we had zero toy guns; this is one way to confuse a kid.
i do find it amazing that some politicians & whomever else in the spotlight believe they should be armed to protect their family & themselves while us common folk should not be allowed to own a firearm. can't think of her name right now but she was a politician releaved of her duties recently. she thought like this here. :fp:
I wonder if he has armed security. If he does he is a hypocrite.
All he was talking about was people who are against 1. universal background checks and 2. banning high-capacity magazines. He's not talking about banning all guns.
Reading some of the posts that express displeasure over what Ed said you'd think he said "Pearl Jam is more popular than Jesus". People, please, no album burning ceremonies. Send them to me!
Four questions for those of you who are unhappy with Ed’s comments:
1. Have you noticed that most of you are from the US?
2. Are you aware that crime in most other countries is lower than here in the US?
3. Are you aware that in most other countries it is much more difficult to obtain guns?
3. Do you understand there is a correlation between these things?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
i do find it amazing that some politicians & whomever else in the spotlight believe they should be armed to protect their family & themselves while us common folk should not be allowed to own a firearm. can't think of her name right now but she was a politician releaved of her duties recently. she thought like this here. :fp:
Well but here's the thing: it's fine to say that you want to defend your family and you want to be able to have a gun to do so.
And if that were the position of the pro-gun lobby, it would be half-way reasonable.
But it's not their position. They're not worried about their own families any more than they are about our own families. It's politics, pure and simple.
Because they continue to oppose any regulation of high-magazine weapons.
And they oppose background checks.
And they oppose doing anything that impedes their ability to get any kind of weapon they want, at any time, whatever the societal costs.
If you want to get to the crux of the matter, ask someone from the pro-gun lobby why one handgun or shotgun isn't sufficient protection for their family. You'll likely hear about everything from the weaponry the federal government has, to some extrapolated tangent about the TRUE meaning of the Second Amendment, to things called "false flag events."
You'll only hear "protection of my family" raised when it serves some agenda, whether that's making a disingenuous emotional appeal to the victims of violent crime ("if only you had had a gun"), or impugning the integrity of anyone who dares to suggest that maybe, just maybe, guns are part of the problem ("if you've ever seen a gun, you're a hypocrite, and any points you make, however reasoned, are invalid"). It's a mindset that's so entrenched it's beyond belief, one that has prevented any reasonable discussion on this issue for too long.
And yeah, it's fucking aggravating and nauseating, to the point where - in some awful utilitarian calculation - you might find yourself wondering what it would take to convince some people that a problem exists, even as a threshold matter. And those opposing any meaningful discussion don't offer any solutions. They'll tell you more guns are the answer, or less regulations are the answer, or armed guards are the answer. They'll point to mental health as the problem, but then curiously, are typically members of a political party that consistently votes to defund social service and educational programs aimed at addressing mental health problems. They'll appear so willing to talk about everything that causes gun violence but their precious guns (which are oh-so-fun by the way). And so nothing gets done, shit keeps happening, and we're all left here to again mourn the kids we bury and our staggering inability to explore why that tide rolls on.
So yeah, I can understand where Ed's coming from.
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if I don't have an ak-47, a grenade launcher, and a fucking tank parked in my back yard, how the hell do you expect me to defend my family?
I keep one of these babies on hand:
you two ok over there?
nice home security (which i do not have one anymore) is a shotgun. if you guys worked as policemen or corrections officers you would be housing firearms at your home. last 12 exit, i have no idea what you do & brian sells books. do you guys live in shitty ass cities & rough neighborhoods to boot?
I live in a poor commuinty. About 5000 people and about 65% of those people live below the poverty line. No joke. Theft is rampant. My truck was stolen out of my driveway 2 years ago. I've since bought a handgun.
My post was sarcastic directed at an earlier post. I've heard the arguement that people need AR-15's and hand grenades to defend themselves. I typically laugh at that person.
I live in a poor commuinty. About 5000 people and about 65% of those people live below the poverty line. No joke. Theft is rampant. My truck was stolen out of my driveway 2 years ago. I've since bought a handgun.
My post was sarcastic directed at an earlier post. I've heard the arguement that people need AR-15's and hand grenades to defend themselves. I typically laugh at that person.
if I don't have an ak-47, a grenade launcher, and a fucking tank parked in my back yard, how the hell do you expect me to defend my family?
I keep one of these babies on hand:
you two ok over there?
nice home security (which i do not have one anymore) is a shotgun. if you guys worked as policemen or corrections officers you would be housing firearms at your home. last 12 exit, i have no idea what you do & brian sells books. do you guys live in shitty ass cities & rough neighborhoods to boot?
Just kidding about the A-Bomb, Chadwick and my neighborhood is fairly average. I've certainly lived in much, much worse without a gun. My biggest issue with guns revolve (hahaha) around these:
-Too many of them in this country
-Too easy to acquire them
-Availability of assault weapons intended to kill many people quickly
-The proliferation of attitudes of fear, hate and violence
-Neighbors target practicing is annoying (or in my case, anxiety producing)
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I live in a poor commuinty. About 5000 people and about 65% of those people live below the poverty line. No joke. Theft is rampant. My truck was stolen out of my driveway 2 years ago. I've since bought a handgun.
My post was sarcastic directed at an earlier post. I've heard the arguement that people need AR-15's and hand grenades to defend themselves. I typically laugh at that person.
The great thing about freedom is that I don't decide what you "need" and you don't decide what I "need".
what do your neighbors across the way do for work, brian?
I honestly don't know. They may be fine people for all I know, I just don't go near people who shoot.
i'm sorry
so they could be police officers practicing? can you see them from your home?
No, trees obscure the view. I met one guy who shots once when I got up the nerve to ask him to stop shooting because we had family and kids over and it was Christmas morning. I doubt he is a cop. But he is one of several who shoot. Some may be cops, but I really doubt all of the are. It's scattered all over here. This is gun country, California. Yeah, I know, I need to move and will when possible.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I live in a poor commuinty. About 5000 people and about 65% of those people live below the poverty line. No joke. Theft is rampant. My truck was stolen out of my driveway 2 years ago. I've since bought a handgun.
My post was sarcastic directed at an earlier post. I've heard the arguement that people need AR-15's and hand grenades to defend themselves. I typically laugh at that person.
The great thing about freedom is that I don't decide what you "need" and you don't decide what I "need".
Are you saying that everybody does whatever they want=freedom? That's what it sounds like.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
How can anyone argue that having more guns is a wise thing? I like how nobody has addressed the study I linked in this thread. The one that states the obvious: more guns equals more deaths by guns.
But it doesn't mean more deaths in general. In fact, the FBI concluded in their own study that violent crime goes down when gun ownership goes up. Concealed carry works. Are there people able to obtain weapons that shouldn't? Yes. There needs to be a solution for that, but I fear that solution will be too far reaching.
How can anyone argue that having more guns is a wise thing? I like how nobody has addressed the study I linked in this thread. The one that states the obvious: more guns equals more deaths by guns.
But it doesn't mean more deaths in general. In fact, the FBI concluded in their own study that violent crime goes down when gun ownership goes up. Concealed carry works. Are there people able to obtain weapons that shouldn't? Yes. There needs to be a solution for that, but I fear that solution will be too far reaching.
Thirty Bills makes a good point and reminds me that no one has answered these four questions I posted earlier:
Four questions for those of you who are unhappy with Ed’s comments:
1. Have you noticed that most of you are from the US?
2. Are you aware that crime in most other countries is lower than here in the US?
3. Are you aware that in most other countries it is much more difficult to obtain guns?
3. Do you understand there is a correlation between these things?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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Have you never felt so passionately about something that you had fleeting thoughts like this? Ed's statement does not sound like one coming from an irrational person. People who feel anger at others else and act on that anger by hurting them are more likely to be sociopaths. People who feel anger toward others and express their anger verbally but vent it through a creative process like music are normal people.
then the wall was erected. then car # 2 rams his security wall at 50 mph. crazed fans loving him so much they wanna harm him & his family.
this is what i gather from watching a short clip interview on the matter.
if i were ed... shotguns & handguns ON as well as samuari swords
i'd be teaching my children & wife how to take care of themselves. my wife & kids would know how to handle all the weapons listed as well as know self defense techniques. training of some kind is pretty much an everyday ritual; physical fitness, target shooting, on & on.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
wreckless adults leaving guns & ammo laying around are brain dead. i am going to admit that my dad was even an asshole with shit for brains as he had both loaded & unloaded weapons all over the place. the deal is he trusted us boys beyond a shadow of doubt. the only reason someone was not killed or injured is actually a fucking miracle as well as a straight up fact that us boys were not fucking stupid little shits with guns. guns were left alone unless pops was home. by the way... i am confident when we were 4 yrs old, dad didn't leave loaded guns on his night stand.
we were put through full on bootcamp & pops & grandpa did not fuck around. guns were serious business in our home. i am confident most homes with guns lying about freely in them are run by parents going the extra 25 miles to educate their kids about gun safety.
again, we had zero toy guns; this is one way to confuse a kid.
i do find it amazing that some politicians & whomever else in the spotlight believe they should be armed to protect their family & themselves while us common folk should not be allowed to own a firearm. can't think of her name right now but she was a politician releaved of her duties recently. she thought like this here. :fp:
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
All he was talking about was people who are against 1. universal background checks and 2. banning high-capacity magazines. He's not talking about banning all guns.
Four questions for those of you who are unhappy with Ed’s comments:
1. Have you noticed that most of you are from the US?
2. Are you aware that crime in most other countries is lower than here in the US?
3. Are you aware that in most other countries it is much more difficult to obtain guns?
3. Do you understand there is a correlation between these things?
Well but here's the thing: it's fine to say that you want to defend your family and you want to be able to have a gun to do so.
And if that were the position of the pro-gun lobby, it would be half-way reasonable.
But it's not their position. They're not worried about their own families any more than they are about our own families. It's politics, pure and simple.
Because they continue to oppose any regulation of high-magazine weapons.
And they oppose background checks.
And they oppose doing anything that impedes their ability to get any kind of weapon they want, at any time, whatever the societal costs.
If you want to get to the crux of the matter, ask someone from the pro-gun lobby why one handgun or shotgun isn't sufficient protection for their family. You'll likely hear about everything from the weaponry the federal government has, to some extrapolated tangent about the TRUE meaning of the Second Amendment, to things called "false flag events."
You'll only hear "protection of my family" raised when it serves some agenda, whether that's making a disingenuous emotional appeal to the victims of violent crime ("if only you had had a gun"), or impugning the integrity of anyone who dares to suggest that maybe, just maybe, guns are part of the problem ("if you've ever seen a gun, you're a hypocrite, and any points you make, however reasoned, are invalid"). It's a mindset that's so entrenched it's beyond belief, one that has prevented any reasonable discussion on this issue for too long.
And yeah, it's fucking aggravating and nauseating, to the point where - in some awful utilitarian calculation - you might find yourself wondering what it would take to convince some people that a problem exists, even as a threshold matter. And those opposing any meaningful discussion don't offer any solutions. They'll tell you more guns are the answer, or less regulations are the answer, or armed guards are the answer. They'll point to mental health as the problem, but then curiously, are typically members of a political party that consistently votes to defund social service and educational programs aimed at addressing mental health problems. They'll appear so willing to talk about everything that causes gun violence but their precious guns (which are oh-so-fun by the way). And so nothing gets done, shit keeps happening, and we're all left here to again mourn the kids we bury and our staggering inability to explore why that tide rolls on.
So yeah, I can understand where Ed's coming from.
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I keep one of these babies on hand:
nice home security (which i do not have one anymore) is a shotgun. if you guys worked as policemen or corrections officers you would be housing firearms at your home. last 12 exit, i have no idea what you do & brian sells books. do you guys live in shitty ass cities & rough neighborhoods to boot?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
My post was sarcastic directed at an earlier post. I've heard the arguement that people need AR-15's and hand grenades to defend themselves. I typically laugh at that person.
be safe out there... be smart
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Just kidding about the A-Bomb, Chadwick and my neighborhood is fairly average. I've certainly lived in much, much worse without a gun. My biggest issue with guns revolve (hahaha) around these:
-Too many of them in this country
-Too easy to acquire them
-Availability of assault weapons intended to kill many people quickly
-The proliferation of attitudes of fear, hate and violence
-Neighbors target practicing is annoying (or in my case, anxiety producing)
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I honestly don't know. They may be fine people for all I know, I just don't go near people who shoot.
so they could be police officers practicing? can you see them from your home?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
The great thing about freedom is that I don't decide what you "need" and you don't decide what I "need".
No, trees obscure the view. I met one guy who shots once when I got up the nerve to ask him to stop shooting because we had family and kids over and it was Christmas morning. I doubt he is a cop. But he is one of several who shoot. Some may be cops, but I really doubt all of the are. It's scattered all over here. This is gun country, California. Yeah, I know, I need to move and will when possible.
Are you saying that everybody does whatever they want=freedom? That's what it sounds like.
Well ok- non-aggression. I like that.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle
It's the basis on how libertarianism would work.
But it doesn't mean more deaths in general. In fact, the FBI concluded in their own study that violent crime goes down when gun ownership goes up. Concealed carry works. Are there people able to obtain weapons that shouldn't? Yes. There needs to be a solution for that, but I fear that solution will be too far reaching.
Thirty Bills makes a good point and reminds me that no one has answered these four questions I posted earlier:
Four questions for those of you who are unhappy with Ed’s comments:
1. Have you noticed that most of you are from the US?
2. Are you aware that crime in most other countries is lower than here in the US?
3. Are you aware that in most other countries it is much more difficult to obtain guns?
3. Do you understand there is a correlation between these things?
I've found studies that when broken down per capita the US is more in the middle.
And if your stats are true then explain how the Swiss, who per capita own more guns, have less crime than almost anyone.
Good question. Because they were not founded by outcast thugs, degenerate castaways and religious fanatics?