He's obviously frustrated w/ the gun happy culture and speaking off the cuff. :fp:
I am a gun owner and I don't feel insulted by Ed's comment. I think people and organizations such as the NRA, which I am not and will never be a member of, will take it to another level. I admit there are many out there that if they can find a way to own a tank and arm it, will say it is their Constitutional Right. I couldn't disagree with those people more. And I think Ed geared his comments to those folks.
With that being said, I also believe that something has to be done to the increased gun violence. The sad truth, the most cases of violence occur with stolen guns. There is now a "smart gun technology" that can read the owners prints and can be fired only by the owner. I think this is a great idea but of course the NRA is opposed to this.
"The fact that we're living in a country where 90 percent of the people want further gun laws -- to maybe somehow put a dent in some of this insanity that's happening -- and yet there's no further legislation taking place, it's very frustrating and upsetting," Vedder told Richards in a clip from the discussion, which HuffPost Entertainment is debuting above. "If I didn't have music to kind of at least get some of the aggression out or take the edge off, you wouldn't want me having a gun either."
Vedder, who spoke to Richards as part of a special interview series the band participated in with various other non-journalists (filmmaker Judd Apatow, musician and actress Carrie Brownstein and former NFL player Steve Gleason), went on to chide the pro-gun lobby for hiding behind both the U.S. Constitution and the idea that owning a gun is "fun."
"I get so angry that I almost wish bad things upon these people," Vedder said. "But I don't have to because it seems like they happen anyways. It seems like every week I'm reading about a 4-year-old either shooting their sister, their dad, their dog, their brother or themselves, because there's fucking guns laying around. But I guess it's 'fun.'"
Watch Vedder's blistering commentary above. HuffPost Entertainment's full interview with the Pearl Jam lead singer can be found at the link.
Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html
As someone who loves PJ but who's political views don't square with Ed's at all I've learned to put up with a lot but this is pretty disgusting. The qualifier of "almost" is pointless. I know where his mind is at.
"All you need is love"
Easy to love people you agree with. Harder to show love to those you don't.
So this life is sacrifice...
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But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.
How is a person who owns a gun putting others or themselves at risk? A person who knows how to handle a weapon is not a risk if the individual is responsible. I have been around guns ever since I remember and I am a gun owner but responsibility is the key. Unfortunately, all gun owners are thrown into one big group.
Responsibility is a fluid and ambiguous term. The potential for damage that's contained in a gun means others are at risk if the gun is anywhere besides a locked safe where only one person knows the combination. If the gun is used, transported, or "hidden", by default, there is a risk of harm to others.
Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html
As someone who loves PJ but who's political views don't square with Ed's at all I've learned to put up with a lot but this is pretty disgusting. The qualifier of "almost" is pointless. I know where his mind is at.
"All you need is love"
Easy to love people you agree with. Harder to show love to those you don't.
But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.
How is a person who owns a gun putting others or themselves at risk? A person who knows how to handle a weapon is not a risk if the individual is responsible. I have been around guns ever since I remember and I am a gun owner but responsibility is the key. Unfortunately, all gun owners are thrown into one big group.
Responsibility is a fluid and ambiguous term. The potential for damage that's contained in a gun means others are at risk if the gun is anywhere besides a locked safe where only one person knows the combination. If the gun is used, transported, or "hidden", by default, there is a risk of harm to others.
Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html
As someone who loves PJ but who's political views don't square with Ed's at all I've learned to put up with a lot but this is pretty disgusting. The qualifier of "almost" is pointless. I know where his mind is at.
"All you need is love"
Easy to love people you agree with. Harder to show love to those you don't.
Disgusting? C'mon. That's a little strong. Disgusting is hearing how children are shooting other children with the guns they grabbed off of their father's nightstand.
It must be very frustrating for anyone with half a mind that is held hostage by a sector of society that selfishly promotes their interests ahead of group safety. The 'antiquated constitution' and 'fun factor' are hardly reasons to advocate for the widespread sale, distribution and possession of assault rifles and handguns.
Hahaha, thats a tough one being a Bills fan, but despite what Tom Brady has said about my city and as much as I want him to loose I don't wish any ill will on him. Thanks for the laugh though.
Responsibility is a fluid and ambiguous term. The potential for damage that's contained in a gun means others are at risk if the gun is anywhere besides a locked safe where only one person knows the combination. If the gun is used, transported, or "hidden", by default, there is a risk of harm to others.
So I was thinking about the "fun" aspect of guns (which, despite never having even held one, I can get).
While I understand the difference between a firearm and a bow-and-arrow or fencing, what about those last two? Were these not also created to kill or injure?
Both archery and fencing are Olympic sports...and practiced for recreation too.
I guess my thoughts are that most people are reasonable and responsible and are not for NO improvements in the processes related to obtaining or owning a firearm. Just as I haven't seen many come out to banish all guns.
Anyway...Ed can say whatever the fuck he wants.
As can we all
I was thinking the same thing about bow and arrows, but then some people will talk about magazines sizes and the capability to kill faster.
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Just one more thing for the irrational right to freak out over.
Good job let's creat more divide :fp:
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Or the person thinks it's unloaded, or the curious child in the house knows where the ammo is, or....
Since we are speaking in hypotheticals, then how about if a guy buys some fertilizer and diesel and makes a big bomb, should we get rid of that too. There are tons of websites and youtube videos that show how to make IEDs and other explosives. SIck people will do whatever it takes to kill and harm anyone.
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I agree that there are idiots out there that own guns. There will always be irresponsible and moronic people. But is his viewpoint and the viewpoint of others here, that they should be outlawed for everyone? I'm not talking about assault rifles and all that stupid shit, I'm just talking about guns for hunting or for personal protection.
Out of left field here but isn't it quite convenient the album comes out tuesday and Ed is all over the news? :corn:
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Out of left field here but isn't it quite convenient the album comes out tuesday and Ed is all over the news? :corn:
That is out of left field. Good call.
The board is usually about conspiracies.
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Or the person thinks it's unloaded, or the curious child in the house knows where the ammo is, or....
Since we are speaking in hypotheticals, then how about if a guy buys some fertilizer and diesel and makes a big bomb, should we get rid of that too. There are tons of websites and youtube videos that show how to make IEDs and other explosives. SIck people will do whatever it takes to kill and harm anyone.
You just took it and ran to the extreme with that one. I wasn't talking about sick people or getting rid of anything. My point is that having a gun and using a gun puts others at risk and I'd like gun owners to have that awareness. The only thing I can think of that's similar in my life is me driving. No matter how responsible I am when I drive, I'm putting others at risk when I do it.
The bottom line is… A gun is a weapon that is designed to… well you know. Knives, pitchforks, axes are tools but also used as weapons as well. This is one long debate over gun control and I am not going to take sides in it.
But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.
How is a person who owns a gun putting others or themselves at risk? A person who knows how to handle a weapon is not a risk if the individual is responsible. I have been around guns ever since I remember and I am a gun owner but responsibility is the key. Unfortunately, all gun owners are thrown into one big group.
Responsibility is a fluid and ambiguous term. The potential for damage that's contained in a gun means others are at risk if the gun is anywhere besides a locked safe where only one person knows the combination. If the gun is used, transported, or "hidden", by default, there is a risk of harm to others.
The only reason to use the gun should be for self defense, hunting, or target shooting. Guns do not go off by themselves. The gun needs to be loaded and person needs to pull the trigger. So just by using it at target practice or transporting it doesn't put anyone at risk.
Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html
As someone who loves PJ but who's political views don't square with Ed's at all I've learned to put up with a lot but this is pretty disgusting. The qualifier of "almost" is pointless. I know where his mind is at.
"All you need is love"
Easy to love people you agree with. Harder to show love to those you don't.
Disgusting? C'mon. That's a little strong. Disgusting is hearing how children are shooting other children with the guns they grabbed off of their father's nightstand.
It must be very frustrating for anyone with half a mind that is held hostage by a sector of society that selfishly promotes their interests ahead of group safety. The 'antiquated constitution' and 'fun factor' are hardly reasons to advocate for the widespread sale, distribution and possession of assault rifles and handguns.
I agree. These acts of violence are very disgusting and troubling. I don't object to someone sharing their beliefs in more gun control. What I object to is implying that people who don't share your specific political beliefs don't care about gun violence or most importantly what I believe to be it's root cause—the way in which this country deals with the mentally ill (which is to say no way at all). What's worse is Ed going a step beyond this and at least implying that great tragedy should befall those whom he disagrees with. While I understand his frustration I don't see any excuse for that no matter how noble and just you believe to be your cause.
So this life is sacrifice...
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I am a gun owner and I don't feel insulted by Ed's comment. I think people and organizations such as the NRA, which I am not and will never be a member of, will take it to another level. I admit there are many out there that if they can find a way to own a tank and arm it, will say it is their Constitutional Right. I couldn't disagree with those people more. And I think Ed geared his comments to those folks.
With that being said, I also believe that something has to be done to the increased gun violence. The sad truth, the most cases of violence occur with stolen guns. There is now a "smart gun technology" that can read the owners prints and can be fired only by the owner. I think this is a great idea but of course the NRA is opposed to this.
"The fact that we're living in a country where 90 percent of the people want further gun laws -- to maybe somehow put a dent in some of this insanity that's happening -- and yet there's no further legislation taking place, it's very frustrating and upsetting," Vedder told Richards in a clip from the discussion, which HuffPost Entertainment is debuting above. "If I didn't have music to kind of at least get some of the aggression out or take the edge off, you wouldn't want me having a gun either."
Vedder, who spoke to Richards as part of a special interview series the band participated in with various other non-journalists (filmmaker Judd Apatow, musician and actress Carrie Brownstein and former NFL player Steve Gleason), went on to chide the pro-gun lobby for hiding behind both the U.S. Constitution and the idea that owning a gun is "fun."
"I get so angry that I almost wish bad things upon these people," Vedder said. "But I don't have to because it seems like they happen anyways. It seems like every week I'm reading about a 4-year-old either shooting their sister, their dad, their dog, their brother or themselves, because there's fucking guns laying around. But I guess it's 'fun.'"
Watch Vedder's blistering commentary above. HuffPost Entertainment's full interview with the Pearl Jam lead singer can be found at the link.
(wasn't that what he was throwing in one of the Lightning Bolt clips?)
"Forgive every being,
the bad feelings
it's just me"
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
As someone who loves PJ but who's political views don't square with Ed's at all I've learned to put up with a lot but this is pretty disgusting. The qualifier of "almost" is pointless. I know where his mind is at.
"All you need is love"
Easy to love people you agree with. Harder to show love to those you don't.
6/30/98 Minneapolis, 10/8/00 East Troy (Brrrr!), 6/16/03 St. Paul, 6/27/06 St. Paul
Responsibility is a fluid and ambiguous term. The potential for damage that's contained in a gun means others are at risk if the gun is anywhere besides a locked safe where only one person knows the combination. If the gun is used, transported, or "hidden", by default, there is a risk of harm to others.
:shifty: :angel:
Disgusting? C'mon. That's a little strong. Disgusting is hearing how children are shooting other children with the guns they grabbed off of their father's nightstand.
It must be very frustrating for anyone with half a mind that is held hostage by a sector of society that selfishly promotes their interests ahead of group safety. The 'antiquated constitution' and 'fun factor' are hardly reasons to advocate for the widespread sale, distribution and possession of assault rifles and handguns.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I was thinking the same thing about bow and arrows, but then some people will talk about magazines sizes and the capability to kill faster.
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Good job let's creat more divide :fp:
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Since we are speaking in hypotheticals, then how about if a guy buys some fertilizer and diesel and makes a big bomb, should we get rid of that too. There are tons of websites and youtube videos that show how to make IEDs and other explosives. SIck people will do whatever it takes to kill and harm anyone.
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name them....name who you wish almost bad things on.
The Westboro Baptist Church
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Exactly. And oh, do people enjoy freaking out and being angry at those who don't share the same viewpoint as them! Screw being civil!
that's it?
I dislike their methods.
I do not support them.
I do support their Constitutional right to speak.
...i also do not think they have used guns at any of their gatherings.
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I was just not going to let a chance to wish bad things on WBC go by unused.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
That is out of left field. Good call.
I understand. I live in kansas and rarely hear of them anylonger.
I believe one of phelps kids has left him behind.
The board is usually about conspiracies.
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You just took it and ran to the extreme with that one. I wasn't talking about sick people or getting rid of anything. My point is that having a gun and using a gun puts others at risk and I'd like gun owners to have that awareness. The only thing I can think of that's similar in my life is me driving. No matter how responsible I am when I drive, I'm putting others at risk when I do it.
The only reason to use the gun should be for self defense, hunting, or target shooting. Guns do not go off by themselves. The gun needs to be loaded and person needs to pull the trigger. So just by using it at target practice or transporting it doesn't put anyone at risk.
I agree. These acts of violence are very disgusting and troubling. I don't object to someone sharing their beliefs in more gun control. What I object to is implying that people who don't share your specific political beliefs don't care about gun violence or most importantly what I believe to be it's root cause—the way in which this country deals with the mentally ill (which is to say no way at all). What's worse is Ed going a step beyond this and at least implying that great tragedy should befall those whom he disagrees with. While I understand his frustration I don't see any excuse for that no matter how noble and just you believe to be your cause.
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