"almost wishing bad things on others" ?

Gern Blansten

mlovullo2000 wrote:

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

I completely agree with him. Trying to explain a gun control position to a gun nut is like trying to explain what socialism is to a Teabagger.

You don't wish harm on people but they almost need to go through tragedy to learn a lesson....and your chances of encountering a tragedy when you're a gun nut are like 1000x more than the average guy.

petejm043

Gern Blansten wrote:

mlovullo2000 wrote:

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

I completely agree with him. Trying to explain a gun control position to a gun nut is like trying to explain what socialism is to a Teabagger.

You don't wish harm on people but they almost need to go through tragedy to learn a lesson....and your chances of encountering a tragedy when you're a gun nut are like 1000x more than the average guy.

I think your "encountering a tragedy when you're a gun nut are like 1000x more than the average guy", is a little over the top. I own a gun and I am no gun nut either but it did save my life twice during an home invasion. Guns are used mostly for personal protection. With that being said, I do think we need more education for gun owners and tighter background checks.

Gern Blansten

petejm043 wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

mlovullo2000 wrote:

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

I completely agree with him. Trying to explain a gun control position to a gun nut is like trying to explain what socialism is to a Teabagger.

You don't wish harm on people but they almost need to go through tragedy to learn a lesson....and your chances of encountering a tragedy when you're a gun nut are like 1000x more than the average guy.

I think your "encountering a tragedy when you're a gun nut are like 1000x more than the average guy", is a little over the top. I own a gun and I am no gun nut either but it did save my life twice during an home invasion. Guns are used mostly for personal protection. With that being said, I do think we need more education for gun owners and tighter background checks.

I own a gun too. I don't consider myself a gun nut.

I guess to define a "gun nut" I would say someone who is so brainwashed about their own definition of the 2nd amendment they can't see the effect that such loose gun laws have on society as a whole.

Go Beavers

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think Ed is human. We have all had thoughts like this, whether you will admit it or not. And yes, I'm anti-gun/violence.

That being said:

if Ted Nugent came out and said he hoped an anti-gun person got hurt because they didn't choose to arm/protect themselves, the anti-gun crowd would go apeshit.

But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Go Beavers wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think Ed is human. We have all had thoughts like this, whether you will admit it or not. And yes, I'm anti-gun/violence.

That being said:

if Ted Nugent came out and said he hoped an anti-gun person got hurt because they didn't choose to arm/protect themselves, the anti-gun crowd would go apeshit.

But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.

there are some people who actually believe it is every person's responsibility, not just their right, to arm themselves, and that it's irresponsible to not protect themselves/family in that way.

but all I was trying to say is that sometimes around here you have to take the reactions to things the band members say with a grain of salt. any one group can spin what someone said to fit their own agenda is all.

catefrances

mlovullo2000 wrote:

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

its isn't good.. and its petty and a waste of time.

petejm043

Go Beavers wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think Ed is human. We have all had thoughts like this, whether you will admit it or not. And yes, I'm anti-gun/violence.

That being said:

if Ted Nugent came out and said he hoped an anti-gun person got hurt because they didn't choose to arm/protect themselves, the anti-gun crowd would go apeshit.

But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.

How is a person who owns a gun putting others or themselves at risk? A person who knows how to handle a weapon is not a risk if the individual is responsible. I have been around guns ever since I remember and I am a gun owner but responsibility is the key. Unfortunately, all gun owners are thrown into one big group.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think Ed is human. We have all had thoughts like this, whether you will admit it or not. And yes, I'm anti-gun/violence.

That being said:

if Ted Nugent came out and said he hoped an anti-gun person got hurt because they didn't choose to arm/protect themselves, the anti-gun crowd would go apeshit.

But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.

there are some people who actually believe it is every person's responsibility, not just their right, to arm themselves, and that it's irresponsible to not protect themselves/family in that way.

but all I was trying to say is that sometimes around here you have to take the reactions to things the band members say with a grain of salt. any one group can spin what someone said to fit their own agenda is all.

there are some people who actually believe it is every person's responsibility...

This is true... and so ridiculous. It shows how large the spectrum of perspectives is. Scary.

hedonist

So I was thinking about the "fun" aspect of guns (which, despite never having even held one, I can get).

While I understand the difference between a firearm and a bow-and-arrow or fencing, what about those last two? Were these not also created to kill or injure?

Both archery and fencing are Olympic sports...and practiced for recreation too.

I guess my thoughts are that most people are reasonable and responsible and are not for NO improvements in the processes related to obtaining or owning a firearm. Just as I haven't seen many come out to banish all guns.

Anyway...Ed can say whatever the fuck he wants.

As can we all

backseatLover12

Christ.

Key word here: "almost"

He's obviously frustrated w/ the gun happy culture and speaking off the cuff. :fp:

petejm043

backseatLover12 wrote:

Christ.

Key word here: "almost"

He's obviously frustrated w/ the gun happy culture and speaking off the cuff. :fp:

I am a gun owner and I don't feel insulted by Ed's comment. I think people and organizations such as the NRA, which I am not and will never be a member of, will take it to another level. I admit there are many out there that if they can find a way to own a tank and arm it, will say it is their Constitutional Right. I couldn't disagree with those people more. And I think Ed geared his comments to those folks.

With that being said, I also believe that something has to be done to the increased gun violence. The sad truth, the most cases of violence occur with stolen guns. There is now a "smart gun technology" that can read the owners prints and can be fired only by the owner. I think this is a great idea but of course the NRA is opposed to this.

backseatLover12

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4059887

"The fact that we're living in a country where 90 percent of the people want further gun laws -- to maybe somehow put a dent in some of this insanity that's happening -- and yet there's no further legislation taking place, it's very frustrating and upsetting," Vedder told Richards in a clip from the discussion, which HuffPost Entertainment is debuting above. "If I didn't have music to kind of at least get some of the aggression out or take the edge off, you wouldn't want me having a gun either."

Vedder, who spoke to Richards as part of a special interview series the band participated in with various other non-journalists (filmmaker Judd Apatow, musician and actress Carrie Brownstein and former NFL player Steve Gleason), went on to chide the pro-gun lobby for hiding behind both the U.S. Constitution and the idea that owning a gun is "fun."

"I get so angry that I almost wish bad things upon these people," Vedder said. "But I don't have to because it seems like they happen anyways. It seems like every week I'm reading about a 4-year-old either shooting their sister, their dad, their dog, their brother or themselves, because there's fucking guns laying around. But I guess it's 'fun.'"

Watch Vedder's blistering commentary above. HuffPost Entertainment's full interview with the Pearl Jam lead singer can be found at the link.

electronblue

sounds like Eddie might have a hatchet to grind, just sayin'..

(wasn't that what he was throwing in one of the Lightning Bolt clips?)

catefrances

perhaps hes just sick of the mindless death toll due to firearms.

darthvedder81

mlovullo2000 wrote:

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

As someone who loves PJ but who's political views don't square with Ed's at all I've learned to put up with a lot but this is pretty disgusting. The qualifier of "almost" is pointless. I know where his mind is at.

"All you need is love"

Easy to love people you agree with. Harder to show love to those you don't.

Go Beavers

petejm043 wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.

How is a person who owns a gun putting others or themselves at risk? A person who knows how to handle a weapon is not a risk if the individual is responsible. I have been around guns ever since I remember and I am a gun owner but responsibility is the key. Unfortunately, all gun owners are thrown into one big group.

Responsibility is a fluid and ambiguous term. The potential for damage that's contained in a gun means others are at risk if the gun is anywhere besides a locked safe where only one person knows the combination. If the gun is used, transported, or "hidden", by default, there is a risk of harm to others.

mlovullo2000

Yes.

darthvedder81 wrote:

mlovullo2000 wrote:

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

As someone who loves PJ but who's political views don't square with Ed's at all I've learned to put up with a lot but this is pretty disgusting. The qualifier of "almost" is pointless. I know where his mind is at.

"All you need is love"

Easy to love people you agree with. Harder to show love to those you don't.

mlovullo2000

Well only if that gun is loaded.

Go Beavers wrote:

petejm043 wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.

How is a person who owns a gun putting others or themselves at risk? A person who knows how to handle a weapon is not a risk if the individual is responsible. I have been around guns ever since I remember and I am a gun owner but responsibility is the key. Unfortunately, all gun owners are thrown into one big group.

Responsibility is a fluid and ambiguous term. The potential for damage that's contained in a gun means others are at risk if the gun is anywhere besides a locked safe where only one person knows the combination. If the gun is used, transported, or "hidden", by default, there is a risk of harm to others.

Jason P

:think:



:shifty: :angel:

Thirty Bills Unpaid

darthvedder81 wrote:

mlovullo2000 wrote:

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

As someone who loves PJ but who's political views don't square with Ed's at all I've learned to put up with a lot but this is pretty disgusting. The qualifier of "almost" is pointless. I know where his mind is at.

"All you need is love"

Easy to love people you agree with. Harder to show love to those you don't.

Disgusting? C'mon. That's a little strong. Disgusting is hearing how children are shooting other children with the guns they grabbed off of their father's nightstand.

It must be very frustrating for anyone with half a mind that is held hostage by a sector of society that selfishly promotes their interests ahead of group safety. The 'antiquated constitution' and 'fun factor' are hardly reasons to advocate for the widespread sale, distribution and possession of assault rifles and handguns.