"almost wishing bad things on others" ?

mlovullo2000

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

Thirty Bills Unpaid

It's venting. He said 'almost'... which is a qualifier and expresses his level of disdain and disbelief for the stubborn contingency that insists on the right to own really cool toys- regardless of the consequences.

"I get so angry that I almost wish bad things upon these people," Vedder said. "But I don't have to because it seems like they happen anyways. It seems like every week I'm reading about a 4-year-old either shooting their sister, their dad, their dog, their brother or themselves, because there's fucking guns laying around. But I guess it's 'fun.'"

There's a gun problem and there are people that make foolish efforts to try and 'convince' the concerned folks that there isn't a gun problem. Sheeeeeeeeer nonsense.

hedonist

Honestly, I've wished harm on others for certain acts they've committed...not for ideology, mindset, what have you...but for actions.

Plus, it's not like those wishes come true. They're thought, maybe spoken (yelled?), and hopefully released.

chadwick

it's just talking, the thing ed said about the gun problem

i would not at all ever believe he is wishing or almost wishing bad upon anyone. it is like a figure of speech type thing. i also would not take most things anyone says seriously unless i know there is a serious conversation going on & i am there in person, there is a difference.

ed gets his chance to stand up & scream a bit. please do not take it word for word 100%.

i myself say all kinds of stupid ass bullshit on here & in my eye to eye life. am i a fucking berserker with a bloody axe under my bed just waiting to hit a guy in his shoulder? not really..... but maybe just a little bit :evil:

it is true though, 92% of all people these days are fucking moronic dipshits spaced out on american idol or reality tv whatever the heck it is.... idiots well deserved of being shot, yes/no?

mlovullo2000

But it seems like he is "almost wishing bad things" to all gun owers or people that find guns fun. I feel like its not venting but attacking something that he doesn't agree with. I guess what I am trying to say is that you don't have to like certain things or agree with everybody's belief but wishing ill will on people because of that isn't a good thing and it only starts problems rather than solving them.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

It's venting. He said 'almost'... which is a qualifier and expresses his level of disdain and disbelief for the stubborn contingency that insists on the right to own really cool toys- regardless of the consequences.

"I get so angry that I almost wish bad things upon these people," Vedder said. "But I don't have to because it seems like they happen anyways. It seems like every week I'm reading about a 4-year-old either shooting their sister, their dad, their dog, their brother or themselves, because there's fucking guns laying around. But I guess it's 'fun.'"

There's a gun problem and there are people that make foolish efforts to try and 'convince' the concerned folks that there isn't a gun problem. Sheeeeeeeeer nonsense.

chadwick

not all gun owners but "stupid" gun owners with small children & the guns being left lying around where a 4 yr old can easily access the thing shooting the dog, his or her brother or sister or mom or dad or themself

a smart & safe gun owner has guns & ammo locked up, even seperated & those locks around the trigger & in the gun itself

know1

I think it's wrong to genuinely hope for harm to come to someone regardless of the circumstances, person or what they've done. If you take comfort hoping for something bad to happen to someone else, then there's something not right with you, in my opinion. And you need to figure it out and try to cure yourself of it.

mlovullo2000

I agree with you. But again he said something about people that find it "fun." If he would have used the word "irresponsible" gun owners I think it would have sounded "a little" better. I guess I just disagree with wishing harm on anybody even if they are irresponsible.

chadwick wrote:

not all gun owners but "stupid" gun owners with small children & the guns being left lying around where a 4 yr old can easily access the thing shooting the dog, his or her brother or sister or mom or dad or themself

a smart & safe gun owner has guns & ammo locked up, even seperated & those locks around the trigger & in the gun itself

mlovullo2000

Yes I agree 100%.

know1 wrote:

I think it's wrong to genuinely hope for harm to come to someone regardless of the circumstances, person or what they've done. If you take comfort hoping for something bad to happen to someone else, then there's something not right with you, in my opinion. And you need to figure it out and try to cure yourself of it.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I think Ed is human. We have all had thoughts like this, whether you will admit it or not. And yes, I'm anti-gun/violence.

That being said:

if Ted Nugent came out and said he hoped an anti-gun person got hurt because they didn't choose to arm/protect themselves, the anti-gun crowd would go apeshit.

chadwick

mlovullo2000 wrote:

I agree with you. But again he said something about people that find it "fun." If he would have used the word "irresponsible" gun owners I think it would have sounded "a little" better. I guess I just disagree with wishing harm on anybody even if they are irresponsible.

chadwick wrote:

not all gun owners but "stupid" gun owners with small children & the guns being left lying around where a 4 yr old can easily access the thing shooting the dog, his or her brother or sister or mom or dad or themself

a smart & safe gun owner has guns & ammo locked up, even seperated & those locks around the trigger & in the gun itself

ariel castro was wished harm upon. he later hung his own self. many peoples' wishes were fulfilled. could those wishes have crept into his cage & sunk into his dense ass skull?

hedonist

know1 wrote:

I think it's wrong to genuinely hope for harm to come to someone regardless of the circumstances, person or what they've done. If you take comfort hoping for something bad to happen to someone else, then there's something not right with you, in my opinion. And you need to figure it out and try to cure yourself of it.

I respect that you believe it's wrong, but...I think I'm alright.

From here, it's not about taking solace in those thoughts - it's a natural reaction to horrific acts and, again, a release of sorts.

(has no one ever cheered when the bad guy gets his in a film?)

vant0037

I think he was talking more broadly about gun culture. Guns, by design, are made to kill or injure. Now, there may be perfectly good people that like to collect antique guns or enjoy hunting etc, but that's not the point. The fact that there are people that think guns, in spite of knowing what they were meant to do, are fun or cool is just really weird. And perhaps he was trying to say that the culture of guns in part contributes to the problems guns can cause.

I think that's what Ed was getting at.

Edit: I take no position on the "almost wishing harm" piece.

mlovullo2000

Ted Nugent isn't any better nor is he helping the situation, but good point. It makes me think a little more about another problem here which is the further "divide" we have in the country now. Two good examples: on one side you have Eddie Vedder on the other you have Ted Nugent. There is no middle anymore. (Geez did I just say that, haha). But its true. I guess I wish that we could all come together and let people have there differences without wishing ill will on the other side. If we don't then this country is gonna fail.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think Ed is human. We have all had thoughts like this, whether you will admit it or not. And yes, I'm anti-gun/violence.

That being said:

if Ted Nugent came out and said he hoped an anti-gun person got hurt because they didn't choose to arm/protect themselves, the anti-gun crowd would go apeshit.

mlovullo2000

But some people go target shooting or skeet shooting for fun. Therefore guns can be used for fun. They are "not" toys, but others find them enjoyable when used in a resposible way.

vant0037 wrote:

I think he was talking more broadly about gun culture. Guns, by design, are made to kill or injure. Now, there may be perfectly good people that like to collect antique guns or enjoy hunting etc, but that's not the point. The fact that there are people that think guns, in spite of knowing what they were meant to do, are fun or cool is just really weird. And perhaps he was trying to say that the culture of guns in part contributes to the problems guns can cause.

I think that's what Ed was getting at.

Edit: I take no position on the "almost wishing harm" piece.

JonnyPistachio

"Almost wishing harm" is just making a point as to how far irresponsible gun owners have pushed us..into a realm of disgust. I dont think its meant to be taken literally.

by the way check this out on the matter:
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/pearl ... z2hBHC0SJf

hedonist

JonnyPistachio wrote:

"Almost wishing harm" is just making a point as to how far irresponsible gun owners have pushed us..into a realm of disgust. I dont think its meant to be taken literally.

by the way check this out on the matter:
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/pearl ... z2hBHC0SJf

Yikes. The author's got no bone to pick there, I'm sure

vant0037

mlovullo2000 wrote:

But some people go target shooting or skeet shooting for fun. Therefore guns can be used for fun. They are "not" toys, but others find them enjoyable when used in a resposible way.

Sure, they're used NOW for skeet/target shooting, just like people NOW collect antique guns or hunt. That doesn't change what the inherent purpose of a gun is - to kill or injure. That's what they were invented for. The fact that people seem to covet or "honor" them is part of the gun culture that I think Ed is talking about.

chadwick

JonnyPistachio wrote:

"Almost wishing harm" is just making a point as to how far irresponsible gun owners have pushed us..into a realm of disgust. I dont think its meant to be taken literally.

by the way check this out on the matter:
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/pearl ... z2hBHC0SJf

thank you. that was nice

norm

vant0037 wrote:

Sure, they're used NOW for skeet/target shooting, just like people NOW collect antique guns or hunt. That doesn't change what the inherent purpose of a gun is - to kill or injure. That's what they were invented for. The fact that people seem to covet or "honor" them is part of the gun culture that I think Ed is talking about.

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this is one instance where i agree with vedder 100%

brianlux

I think Ed was just venting. Most of us do that and there is a big difference between venting and harming.

The last little bit of what Ed says here is telling to me, "It's fun [more quietly], I guess." I often wonder, what is going though someone's mind while they are "target" practicing. This may sound hypocritical because I just said venting is, in my opinion, ok, but to practice using a weapon meant to kill is not the same as venting a frustration.

Also, too often that "fun" is frightening to others. When I hear people shot, it freaks me out. It freaks my cat out too. We are a lot alike. And I'm sure animals, if they have any cognizant thoughts at all, are thinking, "Oh fuck, who is it going to be this year?" :(

Gern Blansten

mlovullo2000 wrote:

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

I completely agree with him. Trying to explain a gun control position to a gun nut is like trying to explain what socialism is to a Teabagger.

You don't wish harm on people but they almost need to go through tragedy to learn a lesson....and your chances of encountering a tragedy when you're a gun nut are like 1000x more than the average guy.

petejm043

Gern Blansten wrote:

mlovullo2000 wrote:

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

I completely agree with him. Trying to explain a gun control position to a gun nut is like trying to explain what socialism is to a Teabagger.

You don't wish harm on people but they almost need to go through tragedy to learn a lesson....and your chances of encountering a tragedy when you're a gun nut are like 1000x more than the average guy.

I think your "encountering a tragedy when you're a gun nut are like 1000x more than the average guy", is a little over the top. I own a gun and I am no gun nut either but it did save my life twice during an home invasion. Guns are used mostly for personal protection. With that being said, I do think we need more education for gun owners and tighter background checks.

Gern Blansten

petejm043 wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

mlovullo2000 wrote:

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

I completely agree with him. Trying to explain a gun control position to a gun nut is like trying to explain what socialism is to a Teabagger.

You don't wish harm on people but they almost need to go through tragedy to learn a lesson....and your chances of encountering a tragedy when you're a gun nut are like 1000x more than the average guy.

I think your "encountering a tragedy when you're a gun nut are like 1000x more than the average guy", is a little over the top. I own a gun and I am no gun nut either but it did save my life twice during an home invasion. Guns are used mostly for personal protection. With that being said, I do think we need more education for gun owners and tighter background checks.

I own a gun too. I don't consider myself a gun nut.

I guess to define a "gun nut" I would say someone who is so brainwashed about their own definition of the 2nd amendment they can't see the effect that such loose gun laws have on society as a whole.

Go Beavers

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think Ed is human. We have all had thoughts like this, whether you will admit it or not. And yes, I'm anti-gun/violence.

That being said:

if Ted Nugent came out and said he hoped an anti-gun person got hurt because they didn't choose to arm/protect themselves, the anti-gun crowd would go apeshit.

But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Go Beavers wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think Ed is human. We have all had thoughts like this, whether you will admit it or not. And yes, I'm anti-gun/violence.

That being said:

if Ted Nugent came out and said he hoped an anti-gun person got hurt because they didn't choose to arm/protect themselves, the anti-gun crowd would go apeshit.

But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.

there are some people who actually believe it is every person's responsibility, not just their right, to arm themselves, and that it's irresponsible to not protect themselves/family in that way.

but all I was trying to say is that sometimes around here you have to take the reactions to things the band members say with a grain of salt. any one group can spin what someone said to fit their own agenda is all.

catefrances

mlovullo2000 wrote:

Is it me or does anybody else think that "almost wishing bad things" on others is not good? I never want to wish bad things on others or even "almost" wish bad things on others no matter what their political or religious beliefs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

its isn't good.. and its petty and a waste of time.

petejm043

Go Beavers wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think Ed is human. We have all had thoughts like this, whether you will admit it or not. And yes, I'm anti-gun/violence.

That being said:

if Ted Nugent came out and said he hoped an anti-gun person got hurt because they didn't choose to arm/protect themselves, the anti-gun crowd would go apeshit.

But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.

How is a person who owns a gun putting others or themselves at risk? A person who knows how to handle a weapon is not a risk if the individual is responsible. I have been around guns ever since I remember and I am a gun owner but responsibility is the key. Unfortunately, all gun owners are thrown into one big group.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think Ed is human. We have all had thoughts like this, whether you will admit it or not. And yes, I'm anti-gun/violence.

That being said:

if Ted Nugent came out and said he hoped an anti-gun person got hurt because they didn't choose to arm/protect themselves, the anti-gun crowd would go apeshit.

But that situation is different. Nearly everyone who owns a gun is putting others around him or her at risk, whether they think they're safe with it or not. An anti-gun person isn't putting others at risk.

there are some people who actually believe it is every person's responsibility, not just their right, to arm themselves, and that it's irresponsible to not protect themselves/family in that way.

but all I was trying to say is that sometimes around here you have to take the reactions to things the band members say with a grain of salt. any one group can spin what someone said to fit their own agenda is all.

there are some people who actually believe it is every person's responsibility...

This is true... and so ridiculous. It shows how large the spectrum of perspectives is. Scary.

hedonist

So I was thinking about the "fun" aspect of guns (which, despite never having even held one, I can get).

While I understand the difference between a firearm and a bow-and-arrow or fencing, what about those last two? Were these not also created to kill or injure?

Both archery and fencing are Olympic sports...and practiced for recreation too.

I guess my thoughts are that most people are reasonable and responsible and are not for NO improvements in the processes related to obtaining or owning a firearm. Just as I haven't seen many come out to banish all guns.

Anyway...Ed can say whatever the fuck he wants.

As can we all

backseatLover12

Christ.

Key word here: "almost"

He's obviously frustrated w/ the gun happy culture and speaking off the cuff. :fp: