Chicago shooting sees 13 people injured at park

Hugh Freaking Dillon

unsung wrote:

It's hilarious.

Keep blaming an object. Don't focus on the issue.

A three year old out at 10:15pm on a weeknight. Yeah, it's the gun's fault.

many kids that age sometimes can't sleep. or have odd sleep patterns. that isn't unusual at all. blaming the victim is atrocious.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

unsung wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

unsung wrote:

It's hilarious.

Keep blaming an object. Don't focus on the issue.

A three year old out at 10:15pm on a weeknight. Yeah, it's the gun's fault.

Good point, clearly it was the three year old's. stupid child getting in the way of them bullets. The level of debate really is circeling the drain.

Poor parentage. There's no three year old that should be out in that filth crime ridden part of the city at that time of night.

so you are pro curfew? what about those freedoms you constantly blather on about?

unsung

I'm pro good parenting.

Dirtie_Frank

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

unsung wrote:

It's hilarious.

Keep blaming an object. Don't focus on the issue.

A three year old out at 10:15pm on a weeknight. Yeah, it's the gun's fault.

many kids that age sometimes can't sleep. or have odd sleep patterns. that isn't unusual at all. blaming the victim is atrocious.

So the kid can't sleep, let's bring him/her to the park?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

unsung wrote:

I'm pro good parenting.

and good parenting to you equals being responsible for you child getting shot? gimme a break dude, you're really stretching in your argument that guns aren't a problem in america.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

So the kid can't sleep, let's bring him/her to the park?

as a parent, you do whatever you need to do to get your kid to sleep. walk around with them in the house, put them in the car and drive around, or maybe a walk to the park.

it boggles my mind that people are defending the notion that the parent that was accompanying the child at the park is to blame for them getting shot by a lowlife. :fp:

it's not like this was a 9 year old kid being taken to the fucking liquor mart or to the drug dealer. this was a public park barely after the sun went down.

Pingfah

Moonpig wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

great point, the world is getting smaller and smaller thanks to technology, and why do we hear about it so much? because that's what the people want, the same reason they rubberneck during traffic accidents. people want to see blood and gore, so that's what the media gives us. what's disturbing and sad to think about is all the repugnant shit going on that we don't hear about. although if I heard about every disturbing inhumane thing people did on this planet, I would have to quit looking at news all together.

Pingfah wrote:

Society has not gone off the rails, that's alarmist and untrue. It is a fact that the rate of violent crime in the US has been dropping year on year for the last 2 decades and shows no sign of abating.

Communication, on the other hand, has vastly improved over the same time period, meaning we all hear about all the awful things going on in the world much more often. That gives some people the impression that society is collapsing. It is simply not true though.

Love the avoidance. "Nothing to see here"

Presumptuous nonsense, I am not avoiding anything, I responded directly to an untrue alarmist claim with a fact.

I have said nothing to take away from the fact that Chicago has serious problems, and have not suggested that gun violence does not need to be addressed. I just don't think that making wildeyed claims about the collapse of society is a helpful way to approach it. The facts simply don't support that view.

I'm sorry if reason and objectivity offends you.

Moonpig

unsung wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

unsung wrote:

It's hilarious.

Keep blaming an object. Don't focus on the issue.

A three year old out at 10:15pm on a weeknight. Yeah, it's the gun's fault.

Good point, clearly it was the three year old's. stupid child getting in the way of them bullets. The level of debate really is circeling the drain.

Poor parentage. There's no three year old that should be out in that filth crime ridden part of the city at that time of night.

Wow case closed I suppose, thanks Matlock

josevolution

Yeah in Suburbia where i live you don't see 3yr olds out at that time of night but in the hood the kids are out all kinds of hr's ...That's just the way it is it comes down to poor supervision ...

mickeyrat

josevolution wrote:

Yeah in Suburbia where i live you don't see 3yr olds out at that time of night but in the hood the kids are out all kinds of hr's ...That's just the way it is it comes down to poor supervision ...

I also highly doubt the 3 yr old was out by himself.

For all we know that familes power was out and was too hot inside. Anythings possible.

The heart of the issue is two fold. easy access to lethal weapons whos ONLY purpose is to maim and kill coupled with a populace so on the edge that human life has little to no value.

I think a particular mindset needs to change in the poorer communities that have a gang presence. It is not acceptable to spray bullets indiscriminantly period.

unsung

Right ok, it's not poor parenting.

Tonight I think I'll talk a leisurely stroll in Fallujah. I'm sure it'll be ok. But if I happen to get shot I'll just blame the gun.

unsung

Geez where's my brain? If I wanted to illustrate an extremely dangerous situation and area to be in why didn't I pick that place to begin with? I'm going to walk through the Englewood neighborhood in Chicago. Being that I'm a white Libertarian/Constitutionalist I'll be able to properly explain that we all own the streets equally and that I should be allowed to walk freely.

But if I get shot we can blame the gunz.

unsung

Anyone interested in going for a walk on this fine night?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

unsung wrote:

Geez where's my brain? If I wanted to illustrate an extremely dangerous situation and area to be in why didn't I pick that place to begin with? I'm going to walk through the Englewood neighborhood in Chicago. Being that I'm a white Libertarian/Constitutionalist I'll be able to properly explain that we all own the streets equally and that I should be allowed to walk freely.

But if I get shot we can blame the gunz.

or we can blame the victims, as you did.

Last-12-Exit

unsung wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

unsung wrote:

It's hilarious.

Keep blaming an object. Don't focus on the issue.

A three year old out at 10:15pm on a weeknight. Yeah, it's the gun's fault.

Good point, clearly it was the three year old's. stupid child getting in the way of them bullets. The level of debate really is circeling the drain.

Poor parentage. There's no three year old that should be out in that filth crime ridden part of the city at that time of night.

this might be one of the most idiotic statements I've read from you. not even worthy of a response. but I felt u needed to know how insane it is.

unsung

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

unsung wrote:

Geez where's my brain? If I wanted to illustrate an extremely dangerous situation and area to be in why didn't I pick that place to begin with? I'm going to walk through the Englewood neighborhood in Chicago. Being that I'm a white Libertarian/Constitutionalist I'll be able to properly explain that we all own the streets equally and that I should be allowed to walk freely.

But if I get shot we can blame the gunz.

or we can blame the victims, as you did.

Or they could understand that they live in GANGLAND and it might not be that safe outside after 10pm for a 3 year old.

So ok, it's not poor parenting, it's just stupidity.

unsung

Last-12-Exit wrote:

this might be one of the most idiotic statements I've read from you. not even worthy of a response. but I felt u needed to know how insane it is.

I'm not even remotely going to take that as a personal attack, since personal attacks are against forum rules.

Do you have children?

aerial

unsung wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

unsung wrote:

Geez where's my brain? If I wanted to illustrate an extremely dangerous situation and area to be in why didn't I pick that place to begin with? I'm going to walk through the Englewood neighborhood in Chicago. Being that I'm a white Libertarian/Constitutionalist I'll be able to properly explain that we all own the streets equally and that I should be allowed to walk freely.

But if I get shot we can blame the gunz.

or we can blame the victims, as you did.

Or they could understand that they live in GANGLAND and it might not be that safe outside after 10pm for a 3 year old.

So ok, it's not poor parenting, it's just stupidity.

I agree with you...when I first heard about this shooting the first thing I thought of was....why was this child out so late at night?
Get rid of All the community organizers that pay them selves six digit salaries with Americans tax dollars. They are not helping the poor. Why can't people see this.

Last-12-Exit

unsung wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

this might be one of the most idiotic statements I've read from you. not even worthy of a response. but I felt u needed to know how insane it is.

I'm not even remotely going to take that as a personal attack, since personal attacks are against forum rules.

Do you have children?

yes 3 of them.

I agree with you on about 30% of the ideas floated around this forum. But to say its the parents fault for some dude shooting up a park is insane. Do you know the dynamic of that family? Maybe both parents work and late evenings give them the time to spend with kids. Is that bad parenting? Were the kids left alone? Not from what ive read.

I am a full believer in your right to have a gun. I'm also a firm believer that you have the right to sit in a park at any time of the night in Chicago, and not be shot at.

I lived just south of Gary, IN for 20 years during a time when Gary was called the murder capital of the US. I never once felt like I had to stay indoors just because it got dark outside.

I wasnt personally attacking you, just your statement.

fife

aerial wrote:

unsung wrote:

unsung wrote:

Geez where's my brain? If I wanted to illustrate an extremely dangerous situation and area to be in why didn't I pick that place to begin with? I'm going to walk through the Englewood neighborhood in Chicago. Being that I'm a white Libertarian/Constitutionalist I'll be able to properly explain that we all own the streets equally and that I should be allowed to walk freely.

But if I get shot we can blame the gunz.

or we can blame the victims, as you did.

Or they could understand that they live in GANGLAND and it might not be that safe outside after 10pm for a 3 year old.

So ok, it's not poor parenting, it's just stupidity.

I agree with you...when I first heard about this shooting the first thing I thought of was....why was this child out so late at night?
Get rid of All the community organizers that pay them selves six digit salaries with Americans tax dollars. They are not helping the poor. Why can't people see this.[/quote]

really that was your 1st thought? my first thought was wow a child got killed by a person with a gun. also before you heard that obama was a community org. did you even know what it was. do you even know today what they do?

unsung

Do you tell your kids to look both ways before crossing the street?

What about warning them not to touch a hot stove?


It's about caution. Yes, people SHOULD be able to walk freely anywhere without getting harmed. But is that a reality?

So yeah, the parent should exercise control over a 3 year old. Is it their fault? Probably not. But it's irresponsible to let your child pet a bear, and it is just as irresponsible as being out at 1015 in the murder capital of the US.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

aerial wrote:

when I first heard about this shooting the first thing I thought of was....why was this child out so late at night?

maybe because it's his right to do so.

should we blame a woman who gets raped because she walked down an alley to get home after drinks with friends instead of staying home and baking cookies? because that's the line you're treading here.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

unsung wrote:

Do you tell your kids to look both ways before crossing the street?

What about warning them not to touch a hot stove?


It's about caution. Yes, people SHOULD be able to walk freely anywhere without getting harmed. But is that a reality?

So yeah, the parent should exercise control over a 3 year old. Is it their fault? Probably not. But it's irresponsible to let your child pet a bear, and it is just as irresponsible as being out at 1015 in the murder capital of the US.

"PROBABLY NOT"? are you on crack? it's absolutely not their fault for getting shot. good god man.

unsung

So you let your kids play in the street?

Or do you avoid risky situations?

fife

unsung wrote:

Do you tell your kids to look both ways before crossing the street?

What about warning them not to touch a hot stove?


It's about caution. Yes, people SHOULD be able to walk freely anywhere without getting harmed. But is that a reality?

So yeah, the parent should exercise control over a 3 year old. Is it their fault? Probably not. But it's irresponsible to let your child pet a bear, and it is just as irresponsible as being out at 1015 in the murder capital of the US.

so you say that it probably not the parents fault but then all you do is put the blame on the parents.

fife

unsung wrote:

So you let your kids play in the street?

Or do you avoid risky situations?

so your suggestion is lock up everyone in their homes to avoid risky situations? you do know shooting happen in the day time also?

aerial

by fife .....really that was your 1st thought? my first thought was wow a child got killed by a person with a gun. also before you heard that obama was a community org. did you even know what it was. do you even know today what they do?

being a mother ....Yes my first thought was about the poor child and my second thought was why was this child out this late at night. Then I just figured it was gang related, later found out to be true. So now I feel bad that the childs mother (I guess a teenager from a shit home...just guessing) was hanging out with gangs....not a good outing anytime especially with a child...

I know that there are many people involved (or had been involved )with community organizers (in Chicago) that made big bucks, and others in jail due to corruption.

there has been much money that could go towards helping these parents...but the corruption has sucked it all away from these people

Hugh Freaking Dillon

unsung wrote:

So you let your kids play in the street?

Or do you avoid risky situations?

avoiding risky situations and blaming someone for something happening to them are entirely different.

chadwick

i'd like to see every decent upstanding citizen in chicago move. i say chicago become a ghost town like detroit. why they oughta blend/mesh those two shitholes together & sink the fuckers

Guitar92player

I think people arrested due to gang activity should get like 50 years in prison or more. Extreme, yes, but it may divert teens from becoming part of something that could land them in jail for most of their life. People arrested for gang violence now get off too easy. Make simple things (that are gang related) automatic many years in jail.