man beats nude window peeper

ajedigecko

...no tough guy here.

It is the single greatest fear i have....evil toward my family.

I would be a fool to not be prepared.

As for vengeance? On this topic ? Yes

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Here's my reworded post in adult-like fashion:

As a father, Hugh, I'm sure you can understand the fact that this was a challenging occurrence for this man to deal with. It's unfortunate that it resulted as it did, but I can't stress enough two things: first, the pervert created this whole situation with his lewd act; second, the father responded and for anyone to weigh in on how he should have responded do so from far away, the comfort of their couch, and outside the intensity of the moment.

Just imagine, and I mean really imagine, you coming to your daughter's window and seeing what that guy saw. Imagine what might go through your mind and the terror you might feel as the reality of the situation sinks in: a pervert has targeted your daughter and is fantasizing about her. If you can honestly say that you would calmly take a picture, phone the police, and then lock the doors and wait for the police to get there in 20/30/40 minutes (as if the guy was going to wait for them- leaving the pervert another day or two to do who knows what?)... I think you are kidding yourself. From some of your previous posts, I'm pretty sure your daughters have a more protective father than what you seemed to have suggested with your previous posts.

If this had happened to you and you had responded as this father did... I would be supporting you.

of course I'd be irate. and yes, I might do the same. I don't know. I don't justify things by way of how I'd react. if I did the same, I'd have to be prepared to face the same consequences.

the nude dude was of no immediate physical danger to anyone. there was absolutely no reason to beat the fuck out of him. subdue him? maybe, but that poses risks as well. THAT'S WHAT POLICE ARE FOR. it sounds to me that this was just a brutal one-sided pounding out of nothing more than anger and vengeance. where I'm from, if you call the police and tell them you have a crazy nude guy trying to break into your house, they'd be there in seconds. I'm getting tired of this old adage that cops take an hour to get to every call as a justification for taking the law into your own hands. it's simply not true.

I'm continually disturbed by the folks on here that seem, to me, to actually have a thirst for violence. Maybe it's somewhat justified by personal experience, but I have no such experience to draw from. and to go so far as to HOPE that cops get some shots in at criminals is incredibly disturbing.

Now you are the one going way up the ladder of inference.

Just because members of this community fully understand why the father acted as he did and support him as he faces charges for dealing with the situation as he did... this doesn't mean they thirst for violence. It means they understand the situation and feel it isn't right that the father is charged with anything given his hand was forced.

As I have been asserting from moment one, it's unreasonable to expect the father to act as Ghandi might have. If he had shot the pervert to death... your argument would carry much more weight, but sorry... as it rests right now... I'm not feeling what you are saying.

hedonist

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

chadwick wrote:

i am perplexed at the replies against the father as well as the replies against those of us who support his actions. it is throughly incredible

it's called living in a civilized world.

But then what about those who are civilized? And those who aren't? Especially in that sense?

This isn't some pissant act. It's scary and sick and has the potential to get worse.

It's a man who felt compelled to shed his clothes, then find a...I don't know what. A mark? An object?

A young one.

And then, after that...plant himself there and pleasure himself...at that not even silently.

Loudly.

Proudly?

I sure as hell have few answers, but my empathy isn't toward any adult who jerks off outside the windows of anyone.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Now you are the one going way up the ladder of inference.

not everything I say is directed at you, man. look at chadwick's posts. particularly how he wishes to come back in his next life and be a pedophile/rapist mutilator.

that's more than a little fucked up to me.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

and feel it isn't right that the father is charged with anything given his hand was forced.

that's just it, though. his hand WASN'T forced. if someone was being physically attacked, that's having your hand forced. someone performing a lewd act in your vicinity is not grounds for assault. and the law agrees with me.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

hedonist wrote:

But then what about those who are civilized? And those who aren't? Especially in that sense?

This isn't some pissant act. It's scary and sick and has the potential to get worse.

It's a man who felt compelled to shed his clothes, then find a...I don't know what. A mark? An object?

A young one.

And then, after that...plant himself there and pleasure himself...at that not even silently.

Loudly.

Proudly?

I sure as hell have few answers, but my empathy isn't toward any adult who jerks off outside the windows of anyone.

I'm not sure what your first two questions are asking.

I would say 99.9% of people who perform such lewd acts are completely harmless. they have odd urges, but that's as far as it goes. would it freak me out to see it? of course, but I highly highly doubt it would enrage me to the point of putting the man in the hospital.

ajedigecko

If you are on my property.

The hand is called.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

ajedigecko wrote:

If you are on my property.

The hand is called.

cp3iverson

You dont take the chance that the guy gets away. That and you protect your family at all costs. The guy is already committing at least two crimes by the time you see him -- tresspassing on your property and obscene behavior. If he targets the daughter to watch odds are he's going to take it a step further with her or someone elses kid next time. A parent who viciously assaults a sicko belongs in our society a lot more than a sicko does. This isnt from someone trying to be a tough guy. This just seems like what any dad would do. Hopefully this father gets a slap on the wrist.

ajedigecko

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

If you are on my property.

The hand is called.

A cat? I was under the impression this was about a pedophile.

Stainless cleans up easily...good choice.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

and feel it isn't right that the father is charged with anything given his hand was forced.

that's just it, though. his hand WASN'T forced. if someone was being physically attacked, that's having your hand forced. someone performing a lewd act in your vicinity is not grounds for assault. and the law agrees with me.

Don't be so sure of yourself. Charges were laid, but I highly doubt they stick.

The guy was pushed into a situation which demanded a response of some sort. If the pervert had not felt the need to begin acting out on his sick fantasies... he wouldn't have taken a beating.

Has anyone mentioned that we might be lucky that this creep got busted when he did? I mean before masturbating and looking at young girls didn't satisfy him enough anymore? It has been shown that deviant behaviour generally escalates. This deviant was caught at ground zero... without having had the opportunity to escalate his behaviours.

Imagine if the father did take a picture of the guy, call the police, and wait for the cops to arrive- but too late because the pervert fled. Then, in the time it takes for an apprehension to occur and knowing he was busted, the creep acted out on his fantasies in a more 'intrusive' manner. This scenario is not out of the realm of possibilities.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

cp3iverson wrote:

You dont take the chance that the guy gets away. That and you protect your family at all costs. The guy is already committing at least two crimes by the time you see him -- tresspassing on your property and obscene behavior. If he targets the daughter to watch odds are he's going to take it a step further with her or someone elses kid next time. A parent who viciously assaults a sicko belongs in our society a lot more than a sicko does. This isnt from someone trying to be a tough guy. This just seems like what any dad would do. Hopefully this father gets a slap on the wrist.

We kind of said the same thing at the same time.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

and feel it isn't right that the father is charged with anything given his hand was forced.

that's just it, though. his hand WASN'T forced. if someone was being physically attacked, that's having your hand forced. someone performing a lewd act in your vicinity is not grounds for assault. and the law agrees with me.

Don't be so sure of yourself. Charges were laid, but I highly doubt they stick.

The guy was pushed into a situation which demanded a response of some sort. If the pervert had not felt the need to begin acting out on his sick fantasies... he wouldn't have taken a beating.

Has anyone mentioned that we might be lucky that this creep got busted when he did? I mean before masturbating and looking at young girls didn't satisfy him enough anymore? It has been shown that deviant behaviour generally escalates. This deviant was caught at ground zero... without having had the opportunity to escalate his behaviours.

Imagine if the father did take a picture of the guy, call the police, and wait for the cops to arrive- but too late because the pervert fled. Then, in the time it takes for an apprehension to occur and knowing he was busted, the creep acted out on his fantasies in a more 'intrusive' manner. This scenario is not out of the realm of possibilities.

I'm saying that the law states that an assault brings charges. there's no "well he was masturbating in front of me" self defense clause. if they don't stick, they don't stick. but he was charged for a reason.

we might well be lucky that he got caught. I don't know much about statistics of this kind of behaviour escalating, or if it even does (all I "know" is what I see on SVU), but I also don't believe the ends justify the means. real justice doesn't work like that.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The guy was pushed into a situation which demanded a response of some sort. If the pervert had not felt the need to begin acting out on his sick fantasies... he wouldn't have taken a beating.

I have never been a believer in the "he had it coming" defense. it demanded ZERO physical response. FACT. how can you dispute that?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

ajedigecko wrote:

A cat? I was under the impression this was about a pedophile.

you didn't specify when you said "if you are on my property the hand is called".

Hugh Freaking Dillon

good god. I waste entirely too much time on this website. it's time to go smoke a bowl and have a drink. life awaits.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The guy was pushed into a situation which demanded a response of some sort. If the pervert had not felt the need to begin acting out on his sick fantasies... he wouldn't have taken a beating.

I have never been a believer in the "he had it coming" defense. it demanded ZERO physical response. FACT. how can you dispute that?

I can dispute that.

You are suggesting that the father essentially ignore what was happening and wait for the police to come and take care of the situation. The father, in the situation, obviously felt differently for whatever protective feelings he was overwhelmed with.

I'm pretty confident, given the choice, the father would have preferred to not have the situation present itself; however, it was out of his control and he was faced with it.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The guy was pushed into a situation which demanded a response of some sort. If the pervert had not felt the need to begin acting out on his sick fantasies... he wouldn't have taken a beating.

I have never been a believer in the "he had it coming" defense. it demanded ZERO physical response. FACT. how can you dispute that?

I can dispute that.

You are suggesting that the father essentially ignore what was happening and wait for the police to come and take care of the situation. The father, in the situation, obviously felt differently for whatever protective feelings he was overwhelmed with.

I'm pretty confident, given the choice, the father would have preferred to not have the situation present itself; however, it was out of his control and he was faced with it.

ok, so there's only two choices you are saying exist here: completely ignore the guy, or beat the living snot out of him. that's insane.

saying that in this situation that it was out of the control of the father to act any differently basically means you are ok with anarchy in the streets.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

bong time.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I have never been a believer in the "he had it coming" defense. it demanded ZERO physical response. FACT. how can you dispute that?

I can dispute that.

You are suggesting that the father essentially ignore what was happening and wait for the police to come and take care of the situation. The father, in the situation, obviously felt differently for whatever protective feelings he was overwhelmed with.

I'm pretty confident, given the choice, the father would have preferred to not have the situation present itself; however, it was out of his control and he was faced with it.

ok, so there's only two choices you are saying exist here: completely ignore the guy, or beat the living snot out of him. that's insane.

saying that in this situation that it was out of the control of the father to act any differently basically means you are ok with anarchy in the streets.

No that's not what I'm saying. This situation is a pretty unique one that with certainty has the potential to motivate people to act with hostility.

I'm also not saying that beating the snot out of him was the only option other than ignoring him. The pervert did get the snot beaten out of him, but that might not have been the father's intent when initially confronting him. How things escalated are unclear.

Once again, our opinions differ. No problem. Don't think what you are saying is completely lost on me- it's not. I get what you are saying, I'm just not there with you, man. If we are talking about some dad who has punched out some guy for whistling at his daughter as they walk down the street... I would be. We're talking about a naked pervert leering at a father's daughter in the safety of her bedroom while masturbating.