and feel it isn't right that the father is charged with anything given his hand was forced.
that's just it, though. his hand WASN'T forced. if someone was being physically attacked, that's having your hand forced. someone performing a lewd act in your vicinity is not grounds for assault. and the law agrees with me.
Don't be so sure of yourself. Charges were laid, but I highly doubt they stick.
The guy was pushed into a situation which demanded a response of some sort. If the pervert had not felt the need to begin acting out on his sick fantasies... he wouldn't have taken a beating.
Has anyone mentioned that we might be lucky that this creep got busted when he did? I mean before masturbating and looking at young girls didn't satisfy him enough anymore? It has been shown that deviant behaviour generally escalates. This deviant was caught at ground zero... without having had the opportunity to escalate his behaviours.
Imagine if the father did take a picture of the guy, call the police, and wait for the cops to arrive- but too late because the pervert fled. Then, in the time it takes for an apprehension to occur and knowing he was busted, the creep acted out on his fantasies in a more 'intrusive' manner. This scenario is not out of the realm of possibilities.
You dont take the chance that the guy gets away. That and you protect your family at all costs. The guy is already committing at least two crimes by the time you see him -- tresspassing on your property and obscene behavior. If he targets the daughter to watch odds are he's going to take it a step further with her or someone elses kid next time. A parent who viciously assaults a sicko belongs in our society a lot more than a sicko does. This isnt from someone trying to be a tough guy. This just seems like what any dad would do. Hopefully this father gets a slap on the wrist.
and feel it isn't right that the father is charged with anything given his hand was forced.
that's just it, though. his hand WASN'T forced. if someone was being physically attacked, that's having your hand forced. someone performing a lewd act in your vicinity is not grounds for assault. and the law agrees with me.
Don't be so sure of yourself. Charges were laid, but I highly doubt they stick.
The guy was pushed into a situation which demanded a response of some sort. If the pervert had not felt the need to begin acting out on his sick fantasies... he wouldn't have taken a beating.
Has anyone mentioned that we might be lucky that this creep got busted when he did? I mean before masturbating and looking at young girls didn't satisfy him enough anymore? It has been shown that deviant behaviour generally escalates. This deviant was caught at ground zero... without having had the opportunity to escalate his behaviours.
Imagine if the father did take a picture of the guy, call the police, and wait for the cops to arrive- but too late because the pervert fled. Then, in the time it takes for an apprehension to occur and knowing he was busted, the creep acted out on his fantasies in a more 'intrusive' manner. This scenario is not out of the realm of possibilities.
I'm saying that the law states that an assault brings charges. there's no "well he was masturbating in front of me" self defense clause. if they don't stick, they don't stick. but he was charged for a reason.
we might well be lucky that he got caught. I don't know much about statistics of this kind of behaviour escalating, or if it even does (all I "know" is what I see on SVU), but I also don't believe the ends justify the means. real justice doesn't work like that.
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The guy was pushed into a situation which demanded a response of some sort. If the pervert had not felt the need to begin acting out on his sick fantasies... he wouldn't have taken a beating.
I have never been a believer in the "he had it coming" defense. it demanded ZERO physical response. FACT. how can you dispute that?
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The guy was pushed into a situation which demanded a response of some sort. If the pervert had not felt the need to begin acting out on his sick fantasies... he wouldn't have taken a beating.
I have never been a believer in the "he had it coming" defense. it demanded ZERO physical response. FACT. how can you dispute that?
I can dispute that.
You are suggesting that the father essentially ignore what was happening and wait for the police to come and take care of the situation. The father, in the situation, obviously felt differently for whatever protective feelings he was overwhelmed with.
I'm pretty confident, given the choice, the father would have preferred to not have the situation present itself; however, it was out of his control and he was faced with it.
The guy was pushed into a situation which demanded a response of some sort. If the pervert had not felt the need to begin acting out on his sick fantasies... he wouldn't have taken a beating.
I have never been a believer in the "he had it coming" defense. it demanded ZERO physical response. FACT. how can you dispute that?
I can dispute that.
You are suggesting that the father essentially ignore what was happening and wait for the police to come and take care of the situation. The father, in the situation, obviously felt differently for whatever protective feelings he was overwhelmed with.
I'm pretty confident, given the choice, the father would have preferred to not have the situation present itself; however, it was out of his control and he was faced with it.
ok, so there's only two choices you are saying exist here: completely ignore the guy, or beat the living snot out of him. that's insane.
saying that in this situation that it was out of the control of the father to act any differently basically means you are ok with anarchy in the streets.
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I have never been a believer in the "he had it coming" defense. it demanded ZERO physical response. FACT. how can you dispute that?
I can dispute that.
You are suggesting that the father essentially ignore what was happening and wait for the police to come and take care of the situation. The father, in the situation, obviously felt differently for whatever protective feelings he was overwhelmed with.
I'm pretty confident, given the choice, the father would have preferred to not have the situation present itself; however, it was out of his control and he was faced with it.
ok, so there's only two choices you are saying exist here: completely ignore the guy, or beat the living snot out of him. that's insane.
saying that in this situation that it was out of the control of the father to act any differently basically means you are ok with anarchy in the streets.
No that's not what I'm saying. This situation is a pretty unique one that with certainty has the potential to motivate people to act with hostility.
I'm also not saying that beating the snot out of him was the only option other than ignoring him. The pervert did get the snot beaten out of him, but that might not have been the father's intent when initially confronting him. How things escalated are unclear.
Once again, our opinions differ. No problem. Don't think what you are saying is completely lost on me- it's not. I get what you are saying, I'm just not there with you, man. If we are talking about some dad who has punched out some guy for whistling at his daughter as they walk down the street... I would be. We're talking about a naked pervert leering at a father's daughter in the safety of her bedroom while masturbating.
I know one thing the cops would not have been called. I would probably have gone medieval on his ass. There have been some people posting that no physical harm happened to the family, you are correct, but there is the mental harm that probably happened to this young girl. As a father of two small daughters and another one on the way (Please god a boy ) I know my action would have been similar to this fathers.
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the father did not act in self defense. from my understanding, his daughter was not, nor was any other member of his family, were in any immediate danger. all he had to do was take out his phone, snap a pic of the perv, shut the blinds, lock the doors, and call the cops.
beating the fuck out of him was not necessary. the guy was naked and OUTSIDE THE HOUSE WITH NO VISIBLE WEAPON.
unless he had some sort of concealed weapon. and if he did, I wanna know how/where he hid it.
some people and their lynch mob mentality.
wow.....just wow,all he had to do was take out his phone, snap a pic of the perv, shut the blinds, lock the doors, and call the cops....?
it's the difference between the kind of society we want to live in and those who choose another ... there are a lot of tough guys in this world but no one really gets the consequences of violence ...
the anger that so easily boils up inside of people makes them simply irrational ... look at the thread ...
it's all about protecting the family and home as if this guy came at them with an intent to murder the family ... it's the foundation of stupid laws like "stand your ground" ... hey - this guy is a threat ... i have a right to shoot ... and they want to characterize us as being pansies or delusional ... shoot first - ask questions later ...
violence begets violence ... is it any wonder that they live in a place that is so besought by it?
it's the difference between the kind of society we want to live in and those who choose another ... there are a lot of tough guys in this world but no one really gets the consequences of violence ...
the anger that so easily boils up inside of people makes them simply irrational ... look at the thread ...
it's all about protecting the family and home as if this guy came at them with an intent to murder the family ... it's the foundation of stupid laws like "stand your ground" ... hey - this guy is a threat ... i have a right to shoot ... and they want to characterize us as being pansies or delusional ... shoot first - ask questions later ...
violence begets violence ... is it any wonder that they live in a place that is so besought by it?
it's hard to achieve a middle ground when the perspectives are so different ...
we can't even agree as to the actual level of threat this pervert actually imposed ... bunch of people here feel he was a serious threat to the family ... if we can't agree on that ... how is it possible to agree to what a reasonable response is?
also ... we can't even agree on what we are actually discussing ... my position all along is that the father committed a crime based on the law and that regardless of how one feels about the pervert or the father - the law must be upheld ... and that it isn't something that should be left to the public to decide what laws should or shouldn't be upheld ...
instead we're talking about people being delusional and that this is about protecting the family ...
HFD I read your post in the poetry section and I think I understand your stance on this so with that said....yes I agree with your statement/feelings on this issue and I have given my last comment on this topic...yes I'm thinking about it a little differently now and if I misunderstood your feeling on this I still have another view from the human emotional aspect of it all.
HFD I read your post in the poetry section and I think I understand your stance on this so with that said....yes I agree with your statement/feelings on this issue and I have given my last comment on this topic...yes I'm thinking about it a little differently now and if I misunderstood your feeling on this I still have another view from the human emotional aspect of it all.
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I just went and read that as well. Excellent piece. Really really good. I'm impressed.
so you think that all cops would be right 100% of the time when they assault a "bad guy"? you are prepared to give them that kind of power? that's not being a realist. that's thinking you live in Gotham City and Batman always saves the day.
read my fucking posts 470 times, dude. child predators, child predators, child predators, rapists, rapists, rapists, rapists as well as women beaters, as well as women beaters, as well as women beaters, as well as women beaters
these are not bank robbers, these are not bank robbers, these are not bank robbers, these are not bank robbers, these are not thieves, these are not thieves, these are not thieves, these are not thieves...
follow me?
pedophiles, rapists & abusive bastards deserve a elbow to the chops by the cops who have the chance to bloody the monster up a bit. it heals rather quickly.
so you think that all cops would be right 100% of the time when they assault a "bad guy"? you are prepared to give them that kind of power? that's not being a realist. that's thinking you live in Gotham City and Batman always saves the day.
what is a "bad guy" to you?
a "bad guy" to me could be a monster i suppose but generally in my world a "bad guy" is a fairly mild criminal of sorts. a monster is altogether different than a "bad guy"
a nake ass guy peering into a kid's bedroom window getting his jollies is not just a "bad guy" he is a sick fucking "monster"
Now you are the one going way up the ladder of inference.
not everything I say is directed at you, man. look at chadwick's posts. particularly how he wishes to come back in his next life and be a pedophile/rapist mutilator.
that's more than a little fucked up to me.
not a rapist/pedophile mutilator
just a ridder of sick monsterous freaks. this is not mutilation. quickly it is over & move on to the next maniac.
You dont take the chance that the guy gets away. That and you protect your family at all costs. The guy is already committing at least two crimes by the time you see him -- tresspassing on your property and obscene behavior. If he targets the daughter to watch odds are he's going to take it a step further with her or someone elses kid next time. A parent who viciously assaults a sicko belongs in our society a lot more than a sicko does. This isnt from someone trying to be a tough guy. This just seems like what any dad would do. Hopefully this father gets a slap on the wrist.
i am willing to bet this sicko has been in the neighborhood or lives nearby & knows exactly what window he needs to be peering in. this was no random walkby.
it's the difference between the kind of society we want to live in and those who choose another ... there are a lot of tough guys in this world but no one really gets the consequences of violence ...
the anger that so easily boils up inside of people makes them simply irrational ... look at the thread ...
it's all about protecting the family and home as if this guy came at them with an intent to murder the family ... it's the foundation of stupid laws like "stand your ground" ... hey - this guy is a threat ... i have a right to shoot ... and they want to characterize us as being pansies or delusional ... shoot first - ask questions later ...
violence begets violence ... is it any wonder that they live in a place that is so besought by it?
the thing is, at least for me, i'm not angry & my blood never easily boils. i am in fact probably one of the calmest person's any of you could ever meet. im just a simple dude who knows when it is time to defend himself or my people i care about, this could be a complete stranger. i hope someone protects me sometime when shit hits my fan.
i'm certain most fathers lives in this realm i mentioned. also, the very last thing i want is violence. but i am very capable of doing well in a violent situation. i practice buddhism, meditate, pray & chant a bit & i very much so live peacefully with mother earth & nature.
do not fool yourselves for 5 seconds & believe i am a crazed blood thirsty maniac. im not. i do fully believe pedophiles & rapists & abusive freaks should stop breathing
Does anyone think this father will ever be charged by the DA? Do you think a jury would convict? He will be walking in no time.
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But then what about those who are civilized? And those who aren't? Especially in that sense?
This isn't some pissant act. It's scary and sick and has the potential to get worse.
It's a man who felt compelled to shed his clothes, then find a...I don't know what. A mark? An object?
A young one.
And then, after that...plant himself there and pleasure himself...at that not even silently.
Loudly.
Proudly?
I sure as hell have few answers, but my empathy isn't toward any adult who jerks off outside the windows of anyone.
I'm not sure what your first two questions are asking.
I would say 99.9% of people who perform such lewd acts are completely harmless. they have odd urges, but that's as far as it goes. would it freak me out to see it? of course, but I highly highly doubt it would enrage me to the point of putting the man in the hospital.
You'd mentioned living in a civilized world...but this "man", whose urges I would consider WAY beyond the spectrum of odd, is not.
Hope he is punished fully with no opportunity to do this - or worse - again.
not everyone desires a phone-camera. not everyone even has a camera. (i have neither) not everyone needs medical attention because they're bleeding some. a small head wound bleeds like frig & may only require 1 or 2 stitches; that is not a serious beating
what kind of medical treatment does this pervert need due to the beating he took? did he fight back requiring the father to fight back even moreso? so let's follow the story a bit shall we?
do not fool yourselves for 5 seconds & believe i am a crazed blood thirsty maniac. im not. i do fully believe pedophiles & rapists & abusive freaks should stop breathing
i'm sorry but your words simply do not reconcile imo ... your first response to people who you feel has done an injustice is violence ... and in many cases - what you put forth is brutal violence ... these are not the words of a man of peace ...
listen ... i'm not naive enough to know the world and all its ills ... and it's not to say that given circumstances that i am not capable of violence ... but through it all - we know that violence begets violence ... and that anger is no place by which to pass judgement ...
sure when violence or sick shit rises up i would like to believe i don't run away but rather dive in & do what i can do. if it is petty & whatnot, sure i can walk away.
example: if i would ever witness a guy smack his g/f or wife around, i'd like to think i'd break his nose. go home smiles & relish in his bloody ass abusive face for a short bit
this is not violence by the way. this is doing something about a sick nasty dude which are all over the place in case you hadn't noticed.
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Don't be so sure of yourself. Charges were laid, but I highly doubt they stick.
The guy was pushed into a situation which demanded a response of some sort. If the pervert had not felt the need to begin acting out on his sick fantasies... he wouldn't have taken a beating.
Has anyone mentioned that we might be lucky that this creep got busted when he did? I mean before masturbating and looking at young girls didn't satisfy him enough anymore? It has been shown that deviant behaviour generally escalates. This deviant was caught at ground zero... without having had the opportunity to escalate his behaviours.
Imagine if the father did take a picture of the guy, call the police, and wait for the cops to arrive- but too late because the pervert fled. Then, in the time it takes for an apprehension to occur and knowing he was busted, the creep acted out on his fantasies in a more 'intrusive' manner. This scenario is not out of the realm of possibilities.
We kind of said the same thing at the same time.
I'm saying that the law states that an assault brings charges. there's no "well he was masturbating in front of me" self defense clause. if they don't stick, they don't stick. but he was charged for a reason.
we might well be lucky that he got caught. I don't know much about statistics of this kind of behaviour escalating, or if it even does (all I "know" is what I see on SVU), but I also don't believe the ends justify the means. real justice doesn't work like that.
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I have never been a believer in the "he had it coming" defense. it demanded ZERO physical response. FACT. how can you dispute that?
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you didn't specify when you said "if you are on my property the hand is called".
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I can dispute that.
You are suggesting that the father essentially ignore what was happening and wait for the police to come and take care of the situation. The father, in the situation, obviously felt differently for whatever protective feelings he was overwhelmed with.
I'm pretty confident, given the choice, the father would have preferred to not have the situation present itself; however, it was out of his control and he was faced with it.
ok, so there's only two choices you are saying exist here: completely ignore the guy, or beat the living snot out of him. that's insane.
saying that in this situation that it was out of the control of the father to act any differently basically means you are ok with anarchy in the streets.
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No that's not what I'm saying. This situation is a pretty unique one that with certainty has the potential to motivate people to act with hostility.
I'm also not saying that beating the snot out of him was the only option other than ignoring him. The pervert did get the snot beaten out of him, but that might not have been the father's intent when initially confronting him. How things escalated are unclear.
Once again, our opinions differ. No problem. Don't think what you are saying is completely lost on me- it's not. I get what you are saying, I'm just not there with you, man. If we are talking about some dad who has punched out some guy for whistling at his daughter as they walk down the street... I would be. We're talking about a naked pervert leering at a father's daughter in the safety of her bedroom while masturbating.
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wow.....just wow,all he had to do was take out his phone, snap a pic of the perv, shut the blinds, lock the doors, and call the cops....?
Godfather.
it's the difference between the kind of society we want to live in and those who choose another ... there are a lot of tough guys in this world but no one really gets the consequences of violence ...
the anger that so easily boils up inside of people makes them simply irrational ... look at the thread ...
it's all about protecting the family and home as if this guy came at them with an intent to murder the family ... it's the foundation of stupid laws like "stand your ground" ... hey - this guy is a threat ... i have a right to shoot ... and they want to characterize us as being pansies or delusional ... shoot first - ask questions later ...
violence begets violence ... is it any wonder that they live in a place that is so besought by it?
There's got to be some middle ground, no?
it's hard to achieve a middle ground when the perspectives are so different ...
we can't even agree as to the actual level of threat this pervert actually imposed ... bunch of people here feel he was a serious threat to the family ... if we can't agree on that ... how is it possible to agree to what a reasonable response is?
also ... we can't even agree on what we are actually discussing ... my position all along is that the father committed a crime based on the law and that regardless of how one feels about the pervert or the father - the law must be upheld ... and that it isn't something that should be left to the public to decide what laws should or shouldn't be upheld ...
instead we're talking about people being delusional and that this is about protecting the family ...
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I just went and read that as well. Excellent piece. Really really good. I'm impressed.
these are not bank robbers, these are not bank robbers, these are not bank robbers, these are not bank robbers, these are not thieves, these are not thieves, these are not thieves, these are not thieves...
follow me?
pedophiles, rapists & abusive bastards deserve a elbow to the chops by the cops who have the chance to bloody the monster up a bit. it heals rather quickly.
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a "bad guy" to me could be a monster i suppose but generally in my world a "bad guy" is a fairly mild criminal of sorts. a monster is altogether different than a "bad guy"
a nake ass guy peering into a kid's bedroom window getting his jollies is not just a "bad guy" he is a sick fucking "monster"
there is a huge difference
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just a ridder of sick monsterous freaks. this is not mutilation. quickly it is over & move on to the next maniac.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
i am willing to bet this sicko has been in the neighborhood or lives nearby & knows exactly what window he needs to be peering in. this was no random walkby.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
the thing is, at least for me, i'm not angry & my blood never easily boils. i am in fact probably one of the calmest person's any of you could ever meet. im just a simple dude who knows when it is time to defend himself or my people i care about, this could be a complete stranger. i hope someone protects me sometime when shit hits my fan.
i'm certain most fathers lives in this realm i mentioned. also, the very last thing i want is violence. but i am very capable of doing well in a violent situation. i practice buddhism, meditate, pray & chant a bit & i very much so live peacefully with mother earth & nature.
do not fool yourselves for 5 seconds & believe i am a crazed blood thirsty maniac. im not. i do fully believe pedophiles & rapists & abusive freaks should stop breathing
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I am tired; my heart is
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Hope he is punished fully with no opportunity to do this - or worse - again.
I also hope the bonghits helped
what kind of medical treatment does this pervert need due to the beating he took? did he fight back requiring the father to fight back even moreso? so let's follow the story a bit shall we?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
i'm sorry but your words simply do not reconcile imo ... your first response to people who you feel has done an injustice is violence ... and in many cases - what you put forth is brutal violence ... these are not the words of a man of peace ...
listen ... i'm not naive enough to know the world and all its ills ... and it's not to say that given circumstances that i am not capable of violence ... but through it all - we know that violence begets violence ... and that anger is no place by which to pass judgement ...
example: if i would ever witness a guy smack his g/f or wife around, i'd like to think i'd break his nose. go home smiles & relish in his bloody ass abusive face for a short bit
this is not violence by the way. this is doing something about a sick nasty dude which are all over the place in case you hadn't noticed.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
camera-phone, pics, 911 & on your way?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce