Game Changer in Syria?

polaris_x

Last-12-Exit wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

Thank you representative Jeff Duncan of South Carolina.
Hopefully there will be a YouTube video of his questions to john Kerry. They are the exact questions that needed to be asked and of course, Kerry sidestepped them.

Thanks to my phone and TiVo for this. The volume is low.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXihTkZq1e4

:fp: ... kerry said that chemical weapons have only been used twice before this ... hitler and saddam ... the truth doesn't matter anymore ... and no ... he won't be held accountable to that ...

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

WWIII is about to kick-off

not likely ... all one has to do is consider this:

what do the wealthy of the wealthiest want? ... obviously, more wealth and more power ... but at what point does their strategy of fake wars and scheming actually upset their end game? ... WW3 does not benefit these guys ... they wouldn't be able to fly to monaco on weekends ...

no ... it will always be just the way it needs to be ... that is until the people finally wake up but i don't see that happening any time soon ...

It will be contained to the middle east and Africa. It will be interesting if Syria attacks Israel in response to a missile attack.

Cosmo

ledvedderman wrote:

I'm not disagreeing with you one bit. I've been a staunch President Obama supporter since his days in the Illinois Senate, but I do not agree with getting involved in Syria. I do not believe Syria will be another Grenada,Nicaragua, Kosovo, Afghanistan or either Iraq wars, but I'm failing to see how this helps the investments of Wall Street.

...
Actually, I'm confirming what you are saying about the War Powers Resolution. We all hear people saying stuff about stomping on the Constitution, but all of the actions you've pointed out were legal actions... including this current situation regarding Syria.
Personally, I strongly oppose any unilateral military action against Syria. I don't see what the difference is between Assad killing 1,400 peole with Sarin gas or killing 99,000 people with bullets and bombs. This shit has been going on for what... 2 years plus? No one gave a shit about Syria til now.
But, how I feel doesn't matter... neither does your opinion. Our voices don't mean shit... even when we are in the majority.
The voices that matter are the ones who have the money... the big money. Those fewer voices matter more in this world than the combined voices of ours... because, we don't matter. Those rich voices will make the call, not us 99%ers.

badbrains

I know it's Russia but, here you have it. At least 1 side of it. Lets see what our response is:

http://rt.com/news/chemical-aleppo-findings-russia-417/

:corn:

petejm043

I cant believe we are going down this path again. I feel bad for the innocent victims in Syria who have been caught in the cross fire, especially the children. But I don't think we should do anything. Don't you think its time America takes care of Americans. How can we lead the world, when the only thing the world sees in us is greed, corruption, war, etc...Individuals losing their jobs and their jobs being sent overseas. Countless of homes in neighborhoods sit empty and abandoned because Americans cant find a decent job. Don't get me wrong, I love my country and served her but what we have been doing since 9/11 is wrong. Its going to be 11 years since we have been in Afghanistan. Went to Iraq for no reason and now its seems we will be headed to Syria. We spent $2 trillion dollars in Iraq...wouldn't that money have been spent better here in education, jobs, infrastructure. And more importantly...the countless of families that will never see their son, brother, sister, mother, father...War has to be the most useless use of human energy.

Guitar92player

badbrains wrote:

I know it's Russia but, here you have it. At least 1 side of it. Lets see what our response is:

http://rt.com/news/chemical-aleppo-findings-russia-417/

:corn:

Once we all heard of the attack, i pointed out on here that it was probably the rebels because it wouldn't surprise me since some (all?) the rebels are linked to al Queda.

However, this is a Russian source, of course they'd say this and of course the US says the gov't did this. We're just gonna have to wait until the UN states their findings.

Guitar92player

petejm043 wrote:

I cant believe we are going down this path again. I feel bad for the innocent victims in Syria who have been caught in the cross fire, especially the children. But I don't think we should do anything. Don't you think its time America takes care of Americans. How can we lead the world, when the only thing the world sees in us is greed, corruption, war, etc...Individuals losing their jobs and their jobs being sent overseas. Countless of homes in neighborhoods sit empty and abandoned because Americans cant find a decent job. Don't get me wrong, I love my country and served her but what we have been doing since 9/11 is wrong. Its going to be 11 years since we have been in Afghanistan. Went to Iraq for no reason and now its seems we will be headed to Syria. We spent $2 trillion dollars in Iraq...wouldn't that money have been spent better here in education, jobs, infrastructure. And more importantly...the countless of families that will never see their son, brother, sister, mother, father...War has to be the most useless use of human energy.

I agree.

But imagine if we were the opposite. We were all somewhat-rich, not helping others, not getting in wars, etc; the whole world would see us as lazy, inhumane, and selfish (although some could say we are selfish now).

The world will always try to find something to blame on us and put us down.

I hope we can be war-free, rich, and not aiding everyone. America needs to worry about America, but help those who truly need it.

polaris_x

petejm043 wrote:

I cant believe we are going down this path again. I feel bad for the innocent victims in Syria who have been caught in the cross fire, especially the children. But I don't think we should do anything. Don't you think its time America takes care of Americans. How can we lead the world, when the only thing the world sees in us is greed, corruption, war, etc...Individuals losing their jobs and their jobs being sent overseas. Countless of homes in neighborhoods sit empty and abandoned because Americans cant find a decent job. Don't get me wrong, I love my country and served her but what we have been doing since 9/11 is wrong. Its going to be 11 years since we have been in Afghanistan. Went to Iraq for no reason and now its seems we will be headed to Syria. We spent $2 trillion dollars in Iraq...wouldn't that money have been spent better here in education, jobs, infrastructure. And more importantly...the countless of families that will never see their son, brother, sister, mother, father...War has to be the most useless use of human energy.

this is the crux ... your logic makes sense but yet it's not the case ... so, then you have to ask yourself WHY? ... at some point sooner or later ... that myth that america is some beacon of freedom and democracy and the good guy in this world has to be shattered ... i know its hard ... it's like finding out your brother is a serial killer ... but people need to take a step back and see the whole picture ... it should be blatantly obvious now ... your gov't serves corporations ... that's it ... the decisions made historically in panama, guatemala, chile, vietnam, iraq and now syria are all based on economic interests ... it has never been about saving people ...

you could take the money that would be spent on air strikes in syria and build 5 hospitals and schools in africa and you would save 100 x the people ... the images of war are very real and very frightening but don't let it cloud your thoughts ...

Godfather.

welll obama got what he wanted and this will cement his "worst president ever" in our history.
it would be nice to see him get impeached.....it too bad he was voted in in the first place.


Godfather.

Godfather.

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

Our president just threw the citizens of his own country, congress, and the nations of the world under the bus by saying this decision to act against Syria is our responsibility, not his.
Plus, he said he doesn't need congressional approval. He legally didn't have to get permission to start a war.

If he starts lobbing cruise missles without congressional authorization, I say impeach. He is out of control.

we should have impeached a few scandles ago......I didn't vote for him I'm happy to say

Clinton gets a blow job (big deal)
Nixon gets busted on a few recorded phone calls...
and obama is implicated in the IRS and binghazi mess and then says syria is our responsibility not his, the guy is paving his way to dick-tator-ship.


Godfather.

Well what else would you expect from a Muslim sympathiser eh?

I know your being sarcastic but I like that comment.

Godfather.

Godfather.

The Fox View of it.....


PUTIN GREETS OBAMA WITH SYRIA THREAT - President Obama arrived in Russia today to find the already failing relations with his host in even worse condition. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s threat to provide his Syrian allies with a missile shield in the event of U.S. air strikes further complicates Obama’s flagging effort to win international support for an attack on Damascus. As the Guardian reports, Putin’s warning that an attack without UN backing would provoke military aid from Russia may drive away the handful of international partners for Obama’s proposed attack.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09 ... z2e1WEjzqr

Godfather.

and from CNN.....

(CNN) -- It's supposed to be a summit about the global economy, but the debate over possible military strikes for Syria's apparent use of chemical weapons is already overshadowing the G-20 conference this week.

The meeting in Russia will pit two leaders with polar opposite views on Syria -- U.S. President Barack Obama, who wants to launch limited military strikes against the Syrian regime, and Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose country stands by its longtime ally in the Middle East.

The views of the 18 other countries at the G-20 run the gamut -- but could be influenced by whatever happens in St. Petersburg.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/05/world/mea ... ?hpt=hp_t1


Godfather.

ledvedderman

Godfather. wrote:

welll obama got what he wanted and this will cement his "worst president ever" in our history.
it would be nice to see him get impeached.....it too bad he was voted in in the first place.


Godfather.

You can't be serious. The worst ever? I don't want to get off topic here but you have to let time dictate a presidency. I'm sure 8 years ago you would have found me saying that George W. was the worst President of all time. Looking back, he wasn't a great president by any stretch of the imagination, but is he worse than someone like Hoover or Harding? Probably not.

Godfather.

ledvedderman wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

welll obama got what he wanted and this will cement his "worst president ever" in our history.
it would be nice to see him get impeached.....it too bad he was voted in in the first place.


Godfather.

You can't be serious. The worst ever? I don't want to get off topic here but you have to let time dictate a presidency. I'm sure 8 years ago you would have found me saying that George W. was the worst President of all time. Looking back, he wasn't a great president by any stretch of the imagination, but is he worse than someone like Hoover or Harding? Probably not.

well let's say in my time, I'm 53. maybe "ever" is a bit beyond my limited experiance

Godfather.

petejm043

polaris_x wrote:

petejm043 wrote:

I cant believe we are going down this path again. I feel bad for the innocent victims in Syria who have been caught in the cross fire, especially the children. But I don't think we should do anything. Don't you think its time America takes care of Americans. How can we lead the world, when the only thing the world sees in us is greed, corruption, war, etc...Individuals losing their jobs and their jobs being sent overseas. Countless of homes in neighborhoods sit empty and abandoned because Americans cant find a decent job. Don't get me wrong, I love my country and served her but what we have been doing since 9/11 is wrong. Its going to be 11 years since we have been in Afghanistan. Went to Iraq for no reason and now its seems we will be headed to Syria. We spent $2 trillion dollars in Iraq...wouldn't that money have been spent better here in education, jobs, infrastructure. And more importantly...the countless of families that will never see their son, brother, sister, mother, father...War has to be the most useless use of human energy.

this is the crux ... your logic makes sense but yet it's not the case ... so, then you have to ask yourself WHY? ... at some point sooner or later ... that myth that america is some beacon of freedom and democracy and the good guy in this world has to be shattered ... i know its hard ... it's like finding out your brother is a serial killer ... but people need to take a step back and see the whole picture ... it should be blatantly obvious now ... your gov't serves corporations ... that's it ... the decisions made historically in panama, guatemala, chile, vietnam, iraq and now syria are all based on economic interests ... it has never been about saving people ...

you could take the money that would be spent on air strikes in syria and build 5 hospitals and schools in africa and you would save 100 x the people ... the images of war are very real and very frightening but don't let it cloud your thoughts ...

I do believe we were a beacon of freedom...I think we have slowly started to have lost that. And you are correct, wars are based on economic interest. Panama-the Panama Canal, Guatemala and Chile, we didn't want the Communist close to us. And I am willing to support incursions in Guatemala and Chile because I know what Communism does first hand.

Once we bomb Syria, the TV is going to show dead children and will state that this is what the American bombing has done to Syrians. It will create even more hate towards us thus creating more terrorists. Its seems like a cycle that will never end.