College student shot and killed by teens who were "bored"

jasonbouchard88

For those wondering if it is a hate crime: in my opinion, it is not because one of the three teenagers is Caucasian, not black.

ajedigecko

Sad.

You - me - we... Must be vigilant.

These things are in our society and their goal is evil.

know1

Throw their parents in jail. If we start doing that, I'll bet the number of teens doing crimes will start to drop.

And I don't believe in the concept of a hate crime. There shouldn't be different penalties if you happen to commit a crime against someone who isn't exactly like yourself. A crime is a crime.

PJ51390

know1 wrote:

Throw their parents in jail. If we start doing that, I'll bet the number of teens doing crimes will start to drop.

Totally agree, there has to be some responsibility of the parents here. Maybe if they got thrown in jail, others might think twice about letting their kids drop out of school and sit around to the point of being so bored you and two buddies hunt down someone and kill them for the fun of it.

MotoDC

Gern Blansten wrote:

pjsyco wrote:

I wonder if Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will protest this shooting?! I wouldn't hold my breath.

I would think that if these kids were not arrested and allowed to remain free then yes Jackson and Sharpton probably would have something to say.

They were arrested. If you're trying to compare this to Trayvon Martin's death you are really way off base.

Agree comparisons to Trayvon/Zimmerman are thin, but you can't possibly believe Sharpton/Jackson would have spoken out against cops who didn't arrest a couple of black kids right away.

MotoDC

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

lock them away until they die.

Haha very unsubtle anti-death penalty jab there HFD!

Gern Blansten

MotoDC wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

pjsyco wrote:

I wonder if Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will protest this shooting?! I wouldn't hold my breath.

I would think that if these kids were not arrested and allowed to remain free then yes Jackson and Sharpton probably would have something to say.

They were arrested. If you're trying to compare this to Trayvon Martin's death you are really way off base.

Agree comparisons to Trayvon/Zimmerman are thin, but you can't possibly believe Sharpton/Jackson would have spoken out against cops who didn't arrest a couple of black kids right away.

To compare this to Trayvon you would need a white Sharpton/Jackson to speak out.

In this case my comment related to asking Sharpton/Jackson their thoughts on a case where the murderers were arrested immediately and admitted the crime. The original suggestion that they would speak out doesn't make sense. But given the facts of the case I can't imagine that they wouldn't agree that the kids needed to be arrested.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

MotoDC wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

lock them away until they die.

Haha very unsubtle anti-death penalty jab there HFD!

it actually wasn't a jab. when I first read this story, I actually WANTED the death penalty for these 3, if you can believe that.

basically I just think that this type of evil needs to be locked up forever. no chance of parole. EVER.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

MotoDC wrote:

Agree comparisons to Trayvon/Zimmerman are thin, but you can't possibly believe Sharpton/Jackson would have spoken out against cops who didn't arrest a couple of black kids right away.

exactly. no chance in hell. they'd be deemed traitors. there would be no point anyway. they don't speak out against all crime, only crimes against blacks.

dustinpardue

pjsyco wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

So sad and pathetic

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/20/justice/a ... killed930a

I wonder if Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will protest this shooting?! I wouldn't hold my breath.

I think many people are misunderstanding Jackson and Sharpton. They did what they had to do to keep peace I think. If they didn't do what they did and give people something to rally behind peacefully, there would have likely been a lot of people out there 'keeping it real' causing more violence. I think what they did was great, they stood up as leaders and took charge in a time of uncertainty. Better them in charge than some angry mobs with no direction or mature leadership.

Gern Blansten

dustinpardue wrote:

I think many people are misunderstanding Jackson and Sharpton. They did what they had to do to keep peace I think. If they didn't do what they did and give people something to rally behind peacefully, there would have likely been a lot of people out there 'keeping it real' causing more violence. I think what they did was great, they stood up as leaders and took charge in a time of uncertainty. Better them in charge than some angry mobs with no direction or mature leadership.

agreed...

Exactly why you didn't see them raising hell about the verdict.

Jason P

dustinpardue wrote:

I think many people are misunderstanding Jackson and Sharpton. They did what they had to do to keep peace I think. If they didn't do what they did and give people something to rally behind peacefully, there would have likely been a lot of people out there 'keeping it real' causing more violence. I think what they did was great, they stood up as leaders and took charge in a time of uncertainty. Better them in charge than some angry mobs with no direction or mature leadership.

I don't think they were trying to keep the peace, they were milking the situation for personal profit, be it fame or fortune. Sorta like Lee Greenwood praying for another war so he can score some more gigs singing "I'm proud to be an American".

NBC damn near started major rioting all over the nation be editing the 911 call and created a mass crisis that we are a nation divided over race. Yet they kept it an issue of race even after the truth of what NBC did came out. That's not keeping the peace.

edit:

i'm getting off topic. these three homo sapiens are defective. they will have less time to be bored when they are hiding from mr. winky in prison.

mydogmookieblaylock

It's sad when young people are so detached from reality. Another one of those situations where you would like to believe the kids weren't really murderers - they just were so immature that they didn't think of the consequences of their actions.
Of course that is all speculation or maybe just something i tell myself to help me sleep at night. People in general are good, right.
One thing is for sure - the kids who did this are going to find out what true boredom really is. 23.5 hours a day in a cell the size of their former closets.

cincybearcat

Sick.

I'm tired of having to hear about these things. We keep doing what we've always done, so we keep getting the same results. The NRA is not on the right side of this argument, havent been for a long time. Let's stop letting this organization and their members dictate our gun laws while people die everyday.

PJ51390

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

Agree comparisons to Trayvon/Zimmerman are thin, but you can't possibly believe Sharpton/Jackson would have spoken out against cops who didn't arrest a couple of black kids right away.

exactly. no chance in hell. they'd be deemed traitors. there would be no point anyway. they don't speak out against all crime, only crimes against blacks.

Exactly, and I have little to believe that if they were not arrested right away that they would even begin to say that they should be arrested.

PJ51390

Gern Blansten wrote:

dustinpardue wrote:

I think many people are misunderstanding Jackson and Sharpton. They did what they had to do to keep peace I think. If they didn't do what they did and give people something to rally behind peacefully, there would have likely been a lot of people out there 'keeping it real' causing more violence. I think what they did was great, they stood up as leaders and took charge in a time of uncertainty. Better them in charge than some angry mobs with no direction or mature leadership.

agreed...

Exactly why you didn't see them raising hell about the verdict.

Not raising hell about the decision? Really- I disagree...

http://www.inquisitr.com/847202/al-shar ... -the-face/

PJ51390

cincybearcat wrote:

Sick.

I'm tired of having to hear about these things. We keep doing what we've always done, so we keep getting the same results. The NRA is not on the right side of this argument, havent been for a long time. Let's stop letting this organization and their members dictate our gun laws while people die everyday.

The gun didn't kill anybody, those three idiots that were just "bored" did!

Those cities, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc., that have the toughest gun laws have the most crime, it isn't the guns, its the idiots that have them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, call me a redneck, or whatever you like, but I live in a city where it is required for homeowners to own a gun, we have little to no issues like this, and trust me, it is NOT the wild west.

cincybearcat

PJ51390 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Sick.

I'm tired of having to hear about these things. We keep doing what we've always done, so we keep getting the same results. The NRA is not on the right side of this argument, havent been for a long time. Let's stop letting this organization and their members dictate our gun laws while people die everyday.

The gun didn't kill anybody, those three idiots that were just "bored" did!

Those cities, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc., that have the toughest gun laws have the most crime, it isn't the guns, its the idiots that have them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, call me a redneck, or whatever you like, but I live in a city where it is required for homeowners to own a gun, we have little to no issues like this, and trust me, it is NOT the wild west.

Great so we should let what works in small town USA apply to the entire country? It's more than just guns I definitely agree. But we need to start looking outside of the US to see what we can reapply. We don't have the stomach or ability to do what really needs to be done. Let's use what is working elsewhere, or some version of it at least.

Cosmo

PJ51390 wrote:

The gun didn't kill anybody, those three idiots that were just "bored" did!

Those cities, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc., that have the toughest gun laws have the most crime, it isn't the guns, its the idiots that have them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, call me a redneck, or whatever you like, but I live in a city where it is required for homeowners to own a gun, we have little to no issues like this, and trust me, it is NOT the wild west.

...
Have you analyze the numbers in the individual data regarding gun related deaths... or are you just making it up as you go?
I mean, how many gun deaths are the result of random shootings? How many are the result of domestic violence? How many from armed robbery? From gang related activity? and home many gun deaths are attributed to accidental shootings?
Look at the numbers that comprise statistics and you'll find the truth.
It's like that old saying; There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
...
P.S. Aren't the most guns confiscated at by the TSA at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport ?
You might have a lot of guns down your way, but it sounds like you might also have a lot of stupid gun owners in the mix. I mean, if a person is stupid enough to pack a loaded gun on a carry-on bag... in 2013... are they a really a 'responsible' gun owner?

Guitar92player

PJ51390 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Sick.

I'm tired of having to hear about these things. We keep doing what we've always done, so we keep getting the same results. The NRA is not on the right side of this argument, havent been for a long time. Let's stop letting this organization and their members dictate our gun laws while people die everyday.

The gun didn't kill anybody, those three idiots that were just "bored" did!

Those cities, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc., that have the toughest gun laws have the most crime, it isn't the guns, its the idiots that have them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, call me a redneck, or whatever you like, but I live in a city where it is required for homeowners to own a gun, we have little to no issues like this, and trust me, it is NOT the wild west.

Once again a thread turns into a gun thread. :fp:

But since we are on the topic...

I agree, guns don't kill people, but having more guns is not the best way to solve everything. Why? Because of the element of surprise. It doesn't matter if you have a gun, someone can surprise you and take your life. Even if that college kid had a gun, he would still be dead.

Off subject but not unrelated, having more guns and security would not help stop mass shootings, because people who do such things do not plan to live after the shooting. They don't care if they kill 1, 10, or 100.

Both sides of the gun argument have good, valid points and they both make sense in a way. But because of the NRA one whole side was completely pushed aside. It's sickening. We need universal background checks, it's common sense.

Anyway, the reason Chicago, D.C, and New York, despite strict gun control laws, have major crimes is because of the environment. It's easy to commit one and slip away. There are many high and back-way places to hide, and there are too many people to keep track of. Gun Control isn't the enemy or the problem in those places. It's just that the laws don't fit the environment They need a new plan.

Here's my plan that I think could help our gun culture:
1. Enforce universal background checks everywhere
2. Stop the online purchasing of weapons and ammo so that only gun shops may do so. This way they can see if you are mentally capable of owning one.
3. People must take a test similar to a driving written exam (and maybe even gun classes) to ensure you are knowledgeable to use one and keep one safely in your house.
4. Stop production of assault weapons. If you stop it now then it will lower more future illegal sales and distribution. I understand many can be smuggled in, but it would be at a lower rate than if made in the USA as well.
5. Knock down all abandoned warehouses and buildings. This is where many gang/criminal production of weapons and drugs takes place. If you do this, they would have to relocate to smaller places and it would be easier to get caught.

Sorry for the rant. It just seemed fitting. :roll:

By the way, that is great your city doesn't have high crimes. I would love to live in such a place.