I think many people are misunderstanding Jackson and Sharpton. They did what they had to do to keep peace I think. If they didn't do what they did and give people something to rally behind peacefully, there would have likely been a lot of people out there 'keeping it real' causing more violence. I think what they did was great, they stood up as leaders and took charge in a time of uncertainty. Better them in charge than some angry mobs with no direction or mature leadership.
agreed...
Exactly why you didn't see them raising hell about the verdict.
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I think many people are misunderstanding Jackson and Sharpton. They did what they had to do to keep peace I think. If they didn't do what they did and give people something to rally behind peacefully, there would have likely been a lot of people out there 'keeping it real' causing more violence. I think what they did was great, they stood up as leaders and took charge in a time of uncertainty. Better them in charge than some angry mobs with no direction or mature leadership.
I don't think they were trying to keep the peace, they were milking the situation for personal profit, be it fame or fortune. Sorta like Lee Greenwood praying for another war so he can score some more gigs singing "I'm proud to be an American".
NBC damn near started major rioting all over the nation be editing the 911 call and created a mass crisis that we are a nation divided over race. Yet they kept it an issue of race even after the truth of what NBC did came out. That's not keeping the peace.
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i'm getting off topic. these three homo sapiens are defective. they will have less time to be bored when they are hiding from mr. winky in prison.
It's sad when young people are so detached from reality. Another one of those situations where you would like to believe the kids weren't really murderers - they just were so immature that they didn't think of the consequences of their actions.
Of course that is all speculation or maybe just something i tell myself to help me sleep at night. People in general are good, right.
One thing is for sure - the kids who did this are going to find out what true boredom really is. 23.5 hours a day in a cell the size of their former closets.
I'm tired of having to hear about these things. We keep doing what we've always done, so we keep getting the same results. The NRA is not on the right side of this argument, havent been for a long time. Let's stop letting this organization and their members dictate our gun laws while people die everyday.
Agree comparisons to Trayvon/Zimmerman are thin, but you can't possibly believe Sharpton/Jackson would have spoken out against cops who didn't arrest a couple of black kids right away.
exactly. no chance in hell. they'd be deemed traitors. there would be no point anyway. they don't speak out against all crime, only crimes against blacks.
Exactly, and I have little to believe that if they were not arrested right away that they would even begin to say that they should be arrested.
I think many people are misunderstanding Jackson and Sharpton. They did what they had to do to keep peace I think. If they didn't do what they did and give people something to rally behind peacefully, there would have likely been a lot of people out there 'keeping it real' causing more violence. I think what they did was great, they stood up as leaders and took charge in a time of uncertainty. Better them in charge than some angry mobs with no direction or mature leadership.
agreed...
Exactly why you didn't see them raising hell about the verdict.
Not raising hell about the decision? Really- I disagree...
I'm tired of having to hear about these things. We keep doing what we've always done, so we keep getting the same results. The NRA is not on the right side of this argument, havent been for a long time. Let's stop letting this organization and their members dictate our gun laws while people die everyday.
The gun didn't kill anybody, those three idiots that were just "bored" did!
Those cities, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc., that have the toughest gun laws have the most crime, it isn't the guns, its the idiots that have them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, call me a redneck, or whatever you like, but I live in a city where it is required for homeowners to own a gun, we have little to no issues like this, and trust me, it is NOT the wild west.
I'm tired of having to hear about these things. We keep doing what we've always done, so we keep getting the same results. The NRA is not on the right side of this argument, havent been for a long time. Let's stop letting this organization and their members dictate our gun laws while people die everyday.
The gun didn't kill anybody, those three idiots that were just "bored" did!
Those cities, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc., that have the toughest gun laws have the most crime, it isn't the guns, its the idiots that have them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, call me a redneck, or whatever you like, but I live in a city where it is required for homeowners to own a gun, we have little to no issues like this, and trust me, it is NOT the wild west.
Great so we should let what works in small town USA apply to the entire country? It's more than just guns I definitely agree. But we need to start looking outside of the US to see what we can reapply. We don't have the stomach or ability to do what really needs to be done. Let's use what is working elsewhere, or some version of it at least.
The gun didn't kill anybody, those three idiots that were just "bored" did!
Those cities, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc., that have the toughest gun laws have the most crime, it isn't the guns, its the idiots that have them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, call me a redneck, or whatever you like, but I live in a city where it is required for homeowners to own a gun, we have little to no issues like this, and trust me, it is NOT the wild west.
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Have you analyze the numbers in the individual data regarding gun related deaths... or are you just making it up as you go?
I mean, how many gun deaths are the result of random shootings? How many are the result of domestic violence? How many from armed robbery? From gang related activity? and home many gun deaths are attributed to accidental shootings?
Look at the numbers that comprise statistics and you'll find the truth.
It's like that old saying; There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
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P.S. Aren't the most guns confiscated at by the TSA at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport ?
You might have a lot of guns down your way, but it sounds like you might also have a lot of stupid gun owners in the mix. I mean, if a person is stupid enough to pack a loaded gun on a carry-on bag... in 2013... are they a really a 'responsible' gun owner?
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I'm tired of having to hear about these things. We keep doing what we've always done, so we keep getting the same results. The NRA is not on the right side of this argument, havent been for a long time. Let's stop letting this organization and their members dictate our gun laws while people die everyday.
The gun didn't kill anybody, those three idiots that were just "bored" did!
Those cities, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc., that have the toughest gun laws have the most crime, it isn't the guns, its the idiots that have them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, call me a redneck, or whatever you like, but I live in a city where it is required for homeowners to own a gun, we have little to no issues like this, and trust me, it is NOT the wild west.
Once again a thread turns into a gun thread. :fp:
But since we are on the topic...
I agree, guns don't kill people, but having more guns is not the best way to solve everything. Why? Because of the element of surprise. It doesn't matter if you have a gun, someone can surprise you and take your life. Even if that college kid had a gun, he would still be dead.
Off subject but not unrelated, having more guns and security would not help stop mass shootings, because people who do such things do not plan to live after the shooting. They don't care if they kill 1, 10, or 100.
Both sides of the gun argument have good, valid points and they both make sense in a way. But because of the NRA one whole side was completely pushed aside. It's sickening. We need universal background checks, it's common sense.
Anyway, the reason Chicago, D.C, and New York, despite strict gun control laws, have major crimes is because of the environment. It's easy to commit one and slip away. There are many high and back-way places to hide, and there are too many people to keep track of. Gun Control isn't the enemy or the problem in those places. It's just that the laws don't fit the environment They need a new plan.
Here's my plan that I think could help our gun culture:
1. Enforce universal background checks everywhere
2. Stop the online purchasing of weapons and ammo so that only gun shops may do so. This way they can see if you are mentally capable of owning one.
3. People must take a test similar to a driving written exam (and maybe even gun classes) to ensure you are knowledgeable to use one and keep one safely in your house.
4. Stop production of assault weapons. If you stop it now then it will lower more future illegal sales and distribution. I understand many can be smuggled in, but it would be at a lower rate than if made in the USA as well.
5. Knock down all abandoned warehouses and buildings. This is where many gang/criminal production of weapons and drugs takes place. If you do this, they would have to relocate to smaller places and it would be easier to get caught.
Sorry for the rant. It just seemed fitting. :roll:
By the way, that is great your city doesn't have high crimes. I would love to live in such a place.
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or you can come to terms and realize
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Seems this discussion has turned into a gun control thread but here is my thoughts more about a lost youth.
Duncan, Ok is where I live; the spot Christopher Lane died is only about a mile from my home. His girlfriend that he was visiting works at the local country club with my son. I was sick when I heard about his senseless death. It really rocked our small town.
The following days rumors started circulating about who these boys were. My son said, Dad, one of the boys they called Bugs, he was in my keyboarding class last year, and another one is Michael Jones. Michael was not a friend of my son’s but they have gone to school together since maybe first grade. The very small upper middle class elementary school they went to was maybe a block away from the shooting.
In elementary, Michael was in wrestling, played football, and was in cub scouts. He was not very well liked, kind of a smart mouth and somewhat of a bully to the other kids. He was always short, as his mug shot shows still only five three. Maybe because of his wrestling, he always thought he was tough. My son was a backup running back to him in football, Michael was a good athlete but his grades often kept him off the field as I remember. I don’t ever remember speaking to them, but his parents were at practices and games. Even though he was not well liked by even most parents, something in me always felt sorry for him.
In Duncan, several elementary schools consolidate to middle school and then high school, so instead of forty or fifty kids in my son’s grade now there are a couple hundred or so. I kind of lost track of Michael, only seeing him once in the last 6 years. I was at the high school last year for my son and passed Michael in the hall. I didn’t know if he would remember me, I said hi, but he seemed or acted like he didn’t hear me.
Now most hate him and they have every right to. But when I see him on TV or Internet, I just keep thinking of that eight year old boy and still feel sorry for him.
Seems this discussion has turned into a gun control thread but here is my thoughts more about a lost youth.
Duncan, Ok is where I live; the spot Christopher Lane died is only about a mile from my home. His girlfriend that he was visiting works at the local country club with my son. I was sick when I heard about his senseless death. It really rocked our small town.
The following days rumors started circulating about who these boys were. My son said, Dad, one of the boys they called Bugs, he was in my keyboarding class last year, and another one is Michael Jones. Michael was not a friend of my son’s but they have gone to school together since maybe first grade. The very small upper middle class elementary school they went to was maybe a block away from the shooting.
In elementary, Michael was in wrestling, played football, and was in cub scouts. He was not very well liked, kind of a smart mouth and somewhat of a bully to the other kids. He was always short, as his mug shot shows still only five three. Maybe because of his wrestling, he always thought he was tough. My son was a backup running back to him in football, Michael was a good athlete but his grades often kept him off the field as I remember. I don’t ever remember speaking to them, but his parents were at practices and games. Even though he was not well liked by even most parents, something in me always felt sorry for him.
In Duncan, several elementary schools consolidate to middle school and then high school, so instead of forty or fifty kids in my son’s grade now there are a couple hundred or so. I kind of lost track of Michael, only seeing him once in the last 6 years. I was at the high school last year for my son and passed Michael in the hall. I didn’t know if he would remember me, I said hi, but he seemed or acted like he didn’t hear me.
Now most hate him and they have every right to. But when I see him on TV or Internet, I just keep thinking of that eight year old boy and still feel sorry for him.
Sadly most threads turn to a gun control thread.
But that is crazy how you know who it was. When you look at him from this point of view, it does make one kinda feel sorry for him, and it makes you wonder what happened to him that lead him to this situation.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
I'm tired of having to hear about these things. We keep doing what we've always done, so we keep getting the same results. The NRA is not on the right side of this argument, havent been for a long time. Let's stop letting this organization and their members dictate our gun laws while people die everyday.
The gun didn't kill anybody, those three idiots that were just "bored" did!
Those cities, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc., that have the toughest gun laws have the most crime, it isn't the guns, its the idiots that have them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, call me a redneck, or whatever you like, but I live in a city where it is required for homeowners to own a gun, we have little to no issues like this, and trust me, it is NOT the wild west.
Great so we should let what works in small town USA apply to the entire country? It's more than just guns I definitely agree. But we need to start looking outside of the US to see what we can reapply. We don't have the stomach or ability to do what really needs to be done. Let's use what is working elsewhere, or some version of it at least.
We shouldn't let small town USA apply anymore than we should let these three dictate gun rights.
Of course I'm sure they lawfully obtained the gun, right? Isn't murder against the law? How many more laws do we need? When will people see that all the laws in the world won't ever stop this from happening, they would have to be human first.
Of course I'm sure they lawfully obtained the gun, right?
Lawfully, yes, but the current laws allow mentally incapable people from buying guns and it doesn't fully enforce proper gun safety in the house. I don't know who bought the gun, but if the parents did then it is there fault for not properly taking care of the gun. So basically our current gun laws and gun culture is pretty sad.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
And I don't believe in the concept of a hate crime. There shouldn't be different penalties if you happen to commit a crime against someone who isn't exactly like yourself. A crime is a crime.
I agree. I also feel that way about a lot of our crime when committed under the influence whether it be alcohol or drugs.
There shouldn't be a different penalty because you were drunk and killed someone with your car as opposed to just killing someone with your car. We have laws there for homicide and manslaughter etc . . .
Judges just need to apply the correct sentencing, which usually is on the lenient side of things.
Of course I'm sure they lawfully obtained the gun, right?
Lawfully, yes, but the current laws allow mentally incapable people from buying guns and it doesn't fully enforce proper gun safety in the house. I don't know who bought the gun, but if the parents did then it is there fault for not properly taking care of the gun. So basically our current gun laws and gun culture is pretty sad.
Maybe we should re-institute gun safety classes in high schools the way it used to be.
I'm tired of having to hear about these things. We keep doing what we've always done, so we keep getting the same results. The NRA is not on the right side of this argument, havent been for a long time. Let's stop letting this organization and their members dictate our gun laws while people die everyday.
The gun didn't kill anybody, those three idiots that were just "bored" did!
Those cities, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc., that have the toughest gun laws have the most crime, it isn't the guns, its the idiots that have them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, call me a redneck, or whatever you like, but I live in a city where it is required for homeowners to own a gun, we have little to no issues like this, and trust me, it is NOT the wild west.
I agree to an extent. Guns didn't kill people in this situation, idiots did. There are plenty of times where guns did kill people . . like every time a 3 year picks up their drunk uncle's gun and starts pulling the trigger.
We just need to make it harder for people to get guns. I'm not talking about people such as yourself who live in the country (presumably)
Better background checks and enforcement would do it. If you're not mental or a criminal, you'll be able to get a gun.
Plus the 2nd amendment issue is BS, it needs to be updated like other amendments.
Of course I'm sure they lawfully obtained the gun, right?
Lawfully, yes, but the current laws allow mentally incapable people from buying guns and it doesn't fully enforce proper gun safety in the house. I don't know who bought the gun, but if the parents did then it is there fault for not properly taking care of the gun. So basically our current gun laws and gun culture is pretty sad.
Maybe we should re-institute gun safety classes in high schools the way it used to be.
Yep, we should.
We need to have a mixture of solutions from the left and the right. No one party is usually ever 100% right. That's what's so crazy about today's political system. The GOP nutjobs and Left Wing radicals are the majority. People in the middle which represent most of america are not.
Gun issue aside... this situation, which is much like many other situations, reeks of absentee parenting.
I read the post from the fellow who is close to the situation and am aware that the parents of the one child did have some involvement in the upbringing of their child (showing up to a game), but it is my opinion that too many kids are left to their own devices too early, too often, and left unchecked at critical points of their development- destined for some form of failure.
Teenage brains are not fully developed in the most ideal of situations- lacking impulse control and awareness of consequences among other deficiencies.
Further, "if a teen is doing music or sports or academics, those are the cells and connections that will be hardwired. If they're lying on the couch or playing video games or MTV, those are the cells and connections that are going to survive." In other words, if a teen has not had the opportunity or guidance to allow for their brain to develop 'normally'... they will, for lack of better word, 'mutate'. Parents need to be more controlling of their kids' activities if society stands any chance. Of course, this world demands so much from most parents that this is easier said than done.
The lack of respect that is consistently shown to teachers, police, and other authority figures by society doesn't help. In what could be a helpful checkpoint for many that need the additional support... we have managed to undermine the efforts of those trying to provide it.
Josh Earnest, principal deputy White House press secretary, said he was not familiar with the murder of Australian jogger Chris Lane during Wednesday’s White House briefing.
When asked by Fox News chief White House correspondent Ed Henry about the Chris Lane case, Earnest responded, “I’m not familiar with it, actually.”
“Why hasn’t [the president] spoken out about this? In this case, you said there was a judicial proceeding. There was one in the Trayvon Martin case. He spoke out extensively on that one,” Henry said.
“There are some people in this room I don’t thing who would agree with you that the president spoke out extensively on it,” Earnest responded.
Seems this discussion has turned into a gun control thread but here is my thoughts more about a lost youth.
Duncan, Ok is where I live; the spot Christopher Lane died is only about a mile from my home. His girlfriend that he was visiting works at the local country club with my son. I was sick when I heard about his senseless death. It really rocked our small town.
The following days rumors started circulating about who these boys were. My son said, Dad, one of the boys they called Bugs, he was in my keyboarding class last year, and another one is Michael Jones. Michael was not a friend of my son’s but they have gone to school together since maybe first grade. The very small upper middle class elementary school they went to was maybe a block away from the shooting.
In elementary, Michael was in wrestling, played football, and was in cub scouts. He was not very well liked, kind of a smart mouth and somewhat of a bully to the other kids. He was always short, as his mug shot shows still only five three. Maybe because of his wrestling, he always thought he was tough. My son was a backup running back to him in football, Michael was a good athlete but his grades often kept him off the field as I remember. I don’t ever remember speaking to them, but his parents were at practices and games. Even though he was not well liked by even most parents, something in me always felt sorry for him.
In Duncan, several elementary schools consolidate to middle school and then high school, so instead of forty or fifty kids in my son’s grade now there are a couple hundred or so. I kind of lost track of Michael, only seeing him once in the last 6 years. I was at the high school last year for my son and passed Michael in the hall. I didn’t know if he would remember me, I said hi, but he seemed or acted like he didn’t hear me.
Now most hate him and they have every right to. But when I see him on TV or Internet, I just keep thinking of that eight year old boy and still feel sorry for him.
Sadly most threads turn to a gun control thread.
But that is crazy how you know who it was. When you look at him from this point of view, it does make one kinda feel sorry for him, and it makes you wonder what happened to him that lead him to this situation.
How in the world would gun control not be a topic in this thread exactly?
Gun issue aside... this situation, which is much like many other situations, reeks of absentee parenting.
I read the post from the fellow who is close to the situation and am aware that the parents of the one child did have some involvement in the upbringing of their child (showing up to a game), but it is my opinion that too many kids are left to their own devices too early, too often, and left unchecked at critical points of their development- destined for some form of failure.
Teenage brains are not fully developed in the most ideal of situations- lacking impulse control and awareness of consequences among other deficiencies.
Further, "if a teen is doing music or sports or academics, those are the cells and connections that will be hardwired. If they're lying on the couch or playing video games or MTV, those are the cells and connections that are going to survive." In other words, if a teen has not had the opportunity or guidance to allow for their brain to develop 'normally'... they will, for lack of better word, 'mutate'. Parents need to be more controlling of their kids' activities if society stands any chance. Of course, this world demands so much from most parents that this is easier said than done.
The lack of respect that is consistently shown to teachers, police, and other authority figures by society doesn't help. In what could be a helpful checkpoint for many that need the additional support... we have managed to undermine the efforts of those trying to provide it.
nobody wants to call it what it is and I would be banned if I said it.......but I guess that little statement might make me a biggot or a racist to some on this forum..but then again I am white so by court of no so public opinion I am guilty right ?
nobody wants to call it what it is and I would be banned if I said it.......but I guess that little statement might make me a biggot or a racist to some on this forum..but then again I am white so by court of no so public opinion I am guilty right ?
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nobody wants to call it what it is and I would be banned if I said it.......but I guess that little statement might make me a biggot or a racist to some on this forum..but then again I am white so by court of no so public opinion I am guilty right ?
Godfather.
Evil is real...be ready to defend yourself and family.
nobody wants to call it what it is and I would be banned if I said it.......but I guess that little statement might make me a biggot or a racist to some on this forum..but then again I am white so by court of no so public opinion I am guilty right ?
So you are as white as the oldest boy driving the car and as white as the shooter's mother?
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agreed...
Exactly why you didn't see them raising hell about the verdict.
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NBC damn near started major rioting all over the nation be editing the 911 call and created a mass crisis that we are a nation divided over race. Yet they kept it an issue of race even after the truth of what NBC did came out. That's not keeping the peace.
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i'm getting off topic. these three homo sapiens are defective. they will have less time to be bored when they are hiding from mr. winky in prison.
Of course that is all speculation or maybe just something i tell myself to help me sleep at night. People in general are good, right.
One thing is for sure - the kids who did this are going to find out what true boredom really is. 23.5 hours a day in a cell the size of their former closets.
I'm tired of having to hear about these things. We keep doing what we've always done, so we keep getting the same results. The NRA is not on the right side of this argument, havent been for a long time. Let's stop letting this organization and their members dictate our gun laws while people die everyday.
Exactly, and I have little to believe that if they were not arrested right away that they would even begin to say that they should be arrested.
Not raising hell about the decision? Really- I disagree...
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The gun didn't kill anybody, those three idiots that were just "bored" did!
Those cities, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc., that have the toughest gun laws have the most crime, it isn't the guns, its the idiots that have them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, call me a redneck, or whatever you like, but I live in a city where it is required for homeowners to own a gun, we have little to no issues like this, and trust me, it is NOT the wild west.
Great so we should let what works in small town USA apply to the entire country? It's more than just guns I definitely agree. But we need to start looking outside of the US to see what we can reapply. We don't have the stomach or ability to do what really needs to be done. Let's use what is working elsewhere, or some version of it at least.
Have you analyze the numbers in the individual data regarding gun related deaths... or are you just making it up as you go?
I mean, how many gun deaths are the result of random shootings? How many are the result of domestic violence? How many from armed robbery? From gang related activity? and home many gun deaths are attributed to accidental shootings?
Look at the numbers that comprise statistics and you'll find the truth.
It's like that old saying; There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
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P.S. Aren't the most guns confiscated at by the TSA at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport ?
You might have a lot of guns down your way, but it sounds like you might also have a lot of stupid gun owners in the mix. I mean, if a person is stupid enough to pack a loaded gun on a carry-on bag... in 2013... are they a really a 'responsible' gun owner?
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Once again a thread turns into a gun thread. :fp:
But since we are on the topic...
I agree, guns don't kill people, but having more guns is not the best way to solve everything. Why? Because of the element of surprise. It doesn't matter if you have a gun, someone can surprise you and take your life. Even if that college kid had a gun, he would still be dead.
Off subject but not unrelated, having more guns and security would not help stop mass shootings, because people who do such things do not plan to live after the shooting. They don't care if they kill 1, 10, or 100.
Both sides of the gun argument have good, valid points and they both make sense in a way. But because of the NRA one whole side was completely pushed aside. It's sickening. We need universal background checks, it's common sense.
Anyway, the reason Chicago, D.C, and New York, despite strict gun control laws, have major crimes is because of the environment. It's easy to commit one and slip away. There are many high and back-way places to hide, and there are too many people to keep track of. Gun Control isn't the enemy or the problem in those places. It's just that the laws don't fit the environment They need a new plan.
Here's my plan that I think could help our gun culture:
1. Enforce universal background checks everywhere
2. Stop the online purchasing of weapons and ammo so that only gun shops may do so. This way they can see if you are mentally capable of owning one.
3. People must take a test similar to a driving written exam (and maybe even gun classes) to ensure you are knowledgeable to use one and keep one safely in your house.
4. Stop production of assault weapons. If you stop it now then it will lower more future illegal sales and distribution. I understand many can be smuggled in, but it would be at a lower rate than if made in the USA as well.
5. Knock down all abandoned warehouses and buildings. This is where many gang/criminal production of weapons and drugs takes place. If you do this, they would have to relocate to smaller places and it would be easier to get caught.
Sorry for the rant. It just seemed fitting. :roll:
By the way, that is great your city doesn't have high crimes. I would love to live in such a place.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Duncan, Ok is where I live; the spot Christopher Lane died is only about a mile from my home. His girlfriend that he was visiting works at the local country club with my son. I was sick when I heard about his senseless death. It really rocked our small town.
The following days rumors started circulating about who these boys were. My son said, Dad, one of the boys they called Bugs, he was in my keyboarding class last year, and another one is Michael Jones. Michael was not a friend of my son’s but they have gone to school together since maybe first grade. The very small upper middle class elementary school they went to was maybe a block away from the shooting.
In elementary, Michael was in wrestling, played football, and was in cub scouts. He was not very well liked, kind of a smart mouth and somewhat of a bully to the other kids. He was always short, as his mug shot shows still only five three. Maybe because of his wrestling, he always thought he was tough. My son was a backup running back to him in football, Michael was a good athlete but his grades often kept him off the field as I remember. I don’t ever remember speaking to them, but his parents were at practices and games. Even though he was not well liked by even most parents, something in me always felt sorry for him.
In Duncan, several elementary schools consolidate to middle school and then high school, so instead of forty or fifty kids in my son’s grade now there are a couple hundred or so. I kind of lost track of Michael, only seeing him once in the last 6 years. I was at the high school last year for my son and passed Michael in the hall. I didn’t know if he would remember me, I said hi, but he seemed or acted like he didn’t hear me.
Now most hate him and they have every right to. But when I see him on TV or Internet, I just keep thinking of that eight year old boy and still feel sorry for him.
Sadly most threads turn to a gun control thread.
But that is crazy how you know who it was. When you look at him from this point of view, it does make one kinda feel sorry for him, and it makes you wonder what happened to him that lead him to this situation.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
We shouldn't let small town USA apply anymore than we should let these three dictate gun rights.
Of course I'm sure they lawfully obtained the gun, right? Isn't murder against the law? How many more laws do we need? When will people see that all the laws in the world won't ever stop this from happening, they would have to be human first.
Lawfully, yes, but the current laws allow mentally incapable people from buying guns and it doesn't fully enforce proper gun safety in the house. I don't know who bought the gun, but if the parents did then it is there fault for not properly taking care of the gun. So basically our current gun laws and gun culture is pretty sad.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Except for the kids that hate their parents and decide to go kill someone.
I agree. I also feel that way about a lot of our crime when committed under the influence whether it be alcohol or drugs.
There shouldn't be a different penalty because you were drunk and killed someone with your car as opposed to just killing someone with your car. We have laws there for homicide and manslaughter etc . . .
Judges just need to apply the correct sentencing, which usually is on the lenient side of things.
Maybe we should re-institute gun safety classes in high schools the way it used to be.
I agree to an extent. Guns didn't kill people in this situation, idiots did. There are plenty of times where guns did kill people . . like every time a 3 year picks up their drunk uncle's gun and starts pulling the trigger.
We just need to make it harder for people to get guns. I'm not talking about people such as yourself who live in the country (presumably)
Better background checks and enforcement would do it. If you're not mental or a criminal, you'll be able to get a gun.
Plus the 2nd amendment issue is BS, it needs to be updated like other amendments.
Yep, we should.
We need to have a mixture of solutions from the left and the right. No one party is usually ever 100% right. That's what's so crazy about today's political system. The GOP nutjobs and Left Wing radicals are the majority. People in the middle which represent most of america are not.
I read the post from the fellow who is close to the situation and am aware that the parents of the one child did have some involvement in the upbringing of their child (showing up to a game), but it is my opinion that too many kids are left to their own devices too early, too often, and left unchecked at critical points of their development- destined for some form of failure.
Teenage brains are not fully developed in the most ideal of situations- lacking impulse control and awareness of consequences among other deficiencies.
Further, "if a teen is doing music or sports or academics, those are the cells and connections that will be hardwired. If they're lying on the couch or playing video games or MTV, those are the cells and connections that are going to survive." In other words, if a teen has not had the opportunity or guidance to allow for their brain to develop 'normally'... they will, for lack of better word, 'mutate'. Parents need to be more controlling of their kids' activities if society stands any chance. Of course, this world demands so much from most parents that this is easier said than done.
The lack of respect that is consistently shown to teachers, police, and other authority figures by society doesn't help. In what could be a helpful checkpoint for many that need the additional support... we have managed to undermine the efforts of those trying to provide it.
It's a big, big problem. Scary actually.
Source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... scent.html
In one outrageous tweet, Edwards writes: “90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM.”
In another, he claims he “knocked out 5 woods since Zimmerman court.” The word “woods” is also a derogatory term used to describe white people.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... n-twitter/
Here's this piece of shits mother, it looks like the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/08/21/me ... s-edwards/
When asked by Fox News chief White House correspondent Ed Henry about the Chris Lane case, Earnest responded, “I’m not familiar with it, actually.”
“Why hasn’t [the president] spoken out about this? In this case, you said there was a judicial proceeding. There was one in the Trayvon Martin case. He spoke out extensively on that one,” Henry said.
“There are some people in this room I don’t thing who would agree with you that the president spoke out extensively on it,” Earnest responded.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/21/white ... z2ciNNK8jP
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
How in the world would gun control not be a topic in this thread exactly?
Great post.
Have you seen the video of the rogue young male elephants. There is no male leader in the heard and the outcome is scary.
The male is reintroduced and the outcome is not scary.
nobody wants to call it what it is and I would be banned if I said it.......but I guess that little statement might make me a biggot or a racist to some on this forum..but then again I am white so by court of no so public opinion I am guilty right ?
Godfather.
Evil is real...be ready to defend yourself and family.
Po Lazarus
I've never believed in evil. It seems like people use it as an easy way to make sense of disturbing behavior.
is that a movie quote ?
Godfather.
So you are as white as the oldest boy driving the car and as white as the shooter's mother?
That is a powerful statement.
Do you apply the same to good?
Or is there different levels of good, with your logic?
I am not aware of a movie quote, Sir.