Does GA sections promote multiple memberships?

JB56195

So I was thinking about this before the tour announcement. Should my wife sign up for the 10C? We were considering bringing our two boys since they are both fans of what mom and dad listen to. It would seem with the new GA section and the need to rank both GA and reserved as separate entities that it would be smart to have a second membership.

I could take my higher seniority number and always rank reserved seats as #1 to guarantee entry into the building and let her use her new low seniority number to always rank GA seats. With this strategy we wouldn't have to go down our priority list as far if we wanted to get to multiple shows. It would also give you a much higher chance of not being shut out of your local show. Finally, it could be used to get into two consecutive nights at big shows like NYC or LA.

Downside would be if you hit all your shows you could end up paying twice as much. If I were to win both, I would just sell them to another 10 clubber or if my local show bring friends along. I haven't seen too many comments on this but seems pretty obvious to me.

Wilds

Not a bad idea, as long as you have a spouse who is on board. Mine wouldn't be. :(

JB56195

Wilds wrote:

Not a bad idea, as long as you have a spouse who is on board. Mine wouldn't be. :(

Sorry to hear that....that would put my spouse overboard! :nono:

blueandwhite

With the lottery, having more than one person with a membership will definitely be useful as you can pick different shows as your #1 choice. Odds are that if you want to go to multiple shows you stand a good chance of being shutout if on your lower picks. If both you and your wife have a membership you double your chances of landing tickets. I can definitely see some people doing this to increase their odds of landing tickets to multiple shows in the future.

mookieb10

yep, i signed the wife and girlfriend up before the announcement.

Agg

I was going to do this with my sister, but she forgot to sign up and now it's too late.

I guess I'll just have to have 6 computers working during the general sales to try to get tickets to all the shows I want to go to.

smanchac1

JB56195 wrote:

I could take my higher seniority number and always rank reserved seats as #1 to guarantee entry into the building

Low ten club numbers don't guarantee anything.

With the new lottery you must first win, and then your seniority comes into play.

Wanted to inform you of this so your not disappointed if your not chosen.

BLACK35

After the debacle back in Feb. or when ever the first sale went on for London and Chicago and I got shut out.....the wife signed up for her own memebership just to help increase our chances for future

Noload

Yep

Spiritual_Chaos

When Europe tour rumors start, I guess I will ask a friend to join.

MG79478

Yet another reason everyone has worse odds in this stupid lottery.

Spiritual_Chaos

MG79478 wrote:

Yet another reason everyone has worse odds in this stupid lottery.

incidental immortality

Absolutely. That's what drives me mad about this new system. It really does reward multiple memberships. If there was just one choice for each show then this wouldn't be an issue. Everyone who wanted to go to say, the Hartford show would put in a request for that show. They should be able to select reserved or best available. If 1000 pairs of tickets were available for the show then the system could draw 1000 names and divy the GA and reserved tickets according to preferences.

But with the two option method that the Ten Club has instituted, a high demand show might have significantly more requests for GA than the number of available tickets. Take this imaginary scenario. Say that there are 2000 tickets for a show broken up evenly between GA and reserved. You put in GA for your first choice and are chosen number 1100. 1050 of the members before you gave GA as their first choice so you lost. Your second choice was Hartford reserved but the demand was so high that you didn't win those either. You only wanted one show and lost out due to demand and the flukely way that the numbers are chosen.

But, if they were just pulling 2000 names and sorting them out afterwards you would miss out on GA but still get reserved seating. I know that the vast majority of us would just be happy to go to the show.

It won't be an issue with this tour since the eligibility window has closed but I can see this being a huge problem on future tours. People will see the beneft of having multiple memberships and will sign up their spouses, siblings, or friends. It really doesn't matter what number you get if you are just going for GA tickets. Basically you are buying a $20 lottery ticket. Then everyone will be selecting GA with their secondary membership and the demand will skyrocket making the GA tickets even harder to win.

covered in bliss

I can guarantee members signed up spouses, etc., months ago. My husband is a big fan and we've thought about it for years but didnt do it until shortly after the wrigley drawing. He cant travel with me this time around so he didnt enter the lottery. He will for shows we can both attend. Whenever we have extras, they will be sold here for face value. We have always done it that way.

He will never post here (doesnt post anywhere)...not sure why earlier poster said it matters???

Lol on the wife & girlfriend comment!!!

Edit to add---we didnt do it to try for GA, because we didnt know about the change then. Plenty of people dont want GA.

jumbojet

Yes. I think this idea has crossed over a lot of peoples' minds.

elwayvedder

Yes, the only issue is me trying to figure out how to get dead people to pick up the 10c tickets.

JB56195

smanchac1 wrote:

JB56195 wrote:

I could take my higher seniority number and always rank reserved seats as #1 to guarantee entry into the building

Low ten club numbers don't guarantee anything.

With the new lottery you must first win, and then your seniority comes into play.

Wanted to inform you of this so your not disappointed if your not chosen.

I get this but it would count if I won the reserve seats.....

helplessdancer

yes and imo it also allows scalpers to join easily for hot ticket markets, like NYC

just 1 lottery win for GA NYC and the scalpers membership costs would be covered, as well as a trip to maui

Spiritual_Chaos

helplessdancer wrote:

yes and imo it also allows scalpers to join easily for hot ticket markets, like NYC

just 1 lottery win for GA NYC and the scalpers membership costs would be covered, as well as a trip to maui

It was the same with the F5 presale?

helplessdancer

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

helplessdancer wrote:

yes and imo it also allows scalpers to join easily for hot ticket markets, like NYC

just 1 lottery win for GA NYC and the scalpers membership costs would be covered, as well as a trip to maui

It was the same with the F5 presale?

nope because no scalper would F5 for 5 hours for a small chance on row 1&2 and 9&10(hottest tickets)
NOW the band has a GA pit out front. in NYC those tickets are worth $250 each minimum
the scalpers now have no work involved. submit for GA as it's a 100% lottery. IF they win they win big. if they dont they only lose what a digital membership costs them

know1

helplessdancer wrote:

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

helplessdancer wrote:

yes and imo it also allows scalpers to join easily for hot ticket markets, like NYC

just 1 lottery win for GA NYC and the scalpers membership costs would be covered, as well as a trip to maui

It was the same with the F5 presale?

nope because no scalper would F5 for 5 hours for a small chance on row 1&2 and 9&10(hottest tickets)
NOW the band has a GA pit out front. in NYC those tickets are worth $250 each minimum
the scalpers now have no work involved. submit for GA as it's a 100% lottery. IF they win they win big. if they dont they only lose what a digital membership costs them

They still have to expend the time and energy to go pick up the tickets in person on the day of the show which doesn't really allow them much time to sell. Also, in theory tickets could be cheaper then.

I don't think the new system encourages scalping or multiple memberships. I think when people realize that in a larger tour they get their 2nd and 3rd choices in some cases, the panic will calm down a bit.

helplessdancer

know1 wrote:

They still have to expend the time and energy to go pick up the tickets in person on the day of the show which doesn't really allow them much time to sell. Also, in theory tickets could be cheaper then.

I don't think the new system encourages scalping or multiple memberships. I think when people realize that in a larger tour they get their 2nd and 3rd choices in some cases, the panic will calm down a bit.

imo there is no effort re time and energy to pick up tickets day of show, especially if the tickets are worth gold
tickets get sold on the street in front of the venue all the time, especially in NYC
AND if the scalper knows he won GA then he can start to advertise his sale next tuesday
even if 10C kicks him out after he has sold the pair he can still sign up his cousins brother and do the same thing next time they play nyc

Ryan_WFC

It's definitely scalper-friendly. They don't even have to travel, necessarily -- a lot of them work for agencies with a bunch of offices in a geographic area, and/or can coordinate with fellow scalpers or friends. And now they know right away exactly if they get the premium (ie, GA Pit) tickets.

That's what gets lost in the debate about "senior" members getting the front seats: at least they were almost always staying within the PJ-diehard community. And even if you didn't win the row 1-2 and 9-10 lottery, you still had a shot to find a spare and get up there for face value. Now your best shot will be exorbitant tickets on Stuhbub.

grjammer

the multiple membership strategy could also lead to a situation where the same "couple" wins two pairs of tickets to the same show. It could increase the number of people looking to unload tickets on the forum. Just a thought.

RedMosquito02

mookieb10 wrote:

yep, i signed the wife and girlfriend up before the announcement.

SVRDhand13

mookieb10 wrote:

yep, i signed the wife and girlfriend up before the announcement.

I see what you did there...

MG79478

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

Yet another reason everyone has worse odds in this stupid lottery.

Truth hurts, don't shoot the messenger!

FrankieG

My dad got me into this band when he took me as his 2nd on his membership back in 03.
I have since bought my own membership and attended 16 shows (15 with him).
Having 2 memberships is great because if he wins, he takes me and If I win I take him
The only flaw in our plan is if we both win the same night, but we both have our 1st priority for opposite Brooklyn shows (seated) so hopefully 4 tickets is all we will get because thats all we need.

backseatLover12

I seriously don't think GA is a good idea for kids.

Poncier

backseatLover12 wrote:

I seriously don't think GA is a good idea for kids.

It'll toughen them up at a young age. 8 yr. olds should learn to fight for their place in this world.

Rossum20

There should be a probationary period for new 10c members as far as ticket privileges go if this is how they are going to operate their ticketing distribution going forward. My suggestion would be that someone must be an active 10c member for 12 months before they can use that membership to enter the ticket lottery. If you want to see new faces up front that's fine, but don't encourage me to have my friends join the 10c the week before a tour to increase our odds (and decreasing everyone elses) for tickets and [ab]using the purpose of having 10c tickets in the first place. :nono: