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Truth Machine

Yefa wrote:

You really wouldn't care having to fight for halfway decent tickets for any Pearl Jam show on Ticketmaster? Well you are a strange 10c member indeed. Most of us would care very much, I can guarantee you that.

While trying to make your points you are using hypothetical statements. Hypothetical statements mean nothing to me. They stand for nothing. So again, why would I care?

Anon

don't gimme no wrote:

Easily the most idiotic post I've ever seen in my life. Pearl Jam can sell out damn near anywhere they choose. I for one would see just as many shows as I do now even if 10C didn't exist. It's sad that you can't realize this is about music. Sure, I love my 10C seats and I'm very grateful for them. I do see it as generosity from the band. But to be honest, once the show starts I don't care where I am as long as I'm in the building. I'm certainly not seeing more shows based on my seats. I love this band and I love their music and even if you refuse to believe it, they love us too. I fucking met them two years ago and had long converstations with some of them. They care about us and want to do what they can for us. It is absolutely NOT about money.

Well it's cute that you think they care about us. I will continue to pay for their services and that will be that.

Wow, it's quite sad (and idiotic) that you think it's not about money when they charge 50 bucks for a ticket.

Anon

Mickey1794 wrote:

You know what is so interesting about Sonic Reducr's posts is that he never went to a PJ concert until 2000 so he doesn't even know what we true PJ fans had to go through to get tickets back in the early days. Too say that PJ is a corporate band is so cynical and ignorant that its actually funny. This last album has had the most commercialization since the band came out-and I believe its because they want more exposure to spread some knowledge about the political situation of our country today-not to make money. If you ever been to Eddie's town its not like if your in Beverly Hills. Granted I'm sure he lives a nice life but he should reap the benefits of his success. I know that he deserves to be where he's at because of hard work and all the help he's given to his fans by always being there for them with all the great music he keeps coming out with. Besides the benefits we get from 10C are amazing. You could never get those benefits frm the U2 or RHCP club especially for 20 bucks!

Ohhhhhhhhhhh real fans, lol. Yes, congrats on seeing them before me. Good job.

I like how you compare them to two other corporate rock bands.

P.S.... Corporate rock bands charge 50 bucks for their tickets... when they could charge less.

Eliot Rosewater

Mickey1794 wrote:

You know what is so interesting about Sonic Reducr's posts is that he never went to a PJ concert until 2000 so he doesn't even know what we true PJ fans had to go through to get tickets back in the early days. Too say that PJ is a corporate band is so cynical and ignorant that its actually funny. This last album has had the most commercialization since the band came out-and I believe its because they want more exposure to spread some knowledge about the political situation of our country today-not to make money. If you ever been to Eddie's town its not like if your in Beverly Hills. Granted I'm sure he lives a nice life but he should reap the benefits of his success. I know that he deserves to be where he's at because of hard work and all the help he's given to his fans by always being there for them with all the great music he keeps coming out with. Besides the benefits we get from 10C are amazing. You could never get those benefits frm the U2 or RHCP club especially for 20 bucks!

Finally, some sanity. Great post Mickey. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we get more for our $20 than any other $20 we could ever even think about spending on anything else.

Eliot Rosewater

Truth Machine wrote:

While trying to make your points you are using hypothetical statements. Hypothetical statements mean nothing to me. They stand for nothing. So again, why would I care?

It's not hypothetical. It's historical. Haven't you ever purchased tickets to any show for any band without having the luxury of a fan club wiping your ass and making sure you get great seats?

Truth Machine

don't gimme no wrote:

Finally, some sanity. Great post Mickey. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we get more for our $20 than any other $20 we could ever even think about spending on anything else.

For $20 you could buy a poster at a show and flip it on eBay for three times face...but that petty arguement shall be saved for another day.

cooldaddy

SonicReducr wrote:

I am more than aware of who Ian is, since he is a local fixture in this town. That doesn't change the fact that Pearl Jam nor Ed give a shit about me.

Ian, the other older school punk guys... they get it. They live it. Ian lives in a small house in Mt Pleasant, and still uses his mothers address for the Dischord label... He gets it.

I saw Ian at the Pearl Jam show, he and his girlfriend Amy Farina (who is in the Evens with Ian, and was in a band called the Warmers, also on Dischord) were there and were side stage. Doesn't mean Ed gives a fuck about me.

His sister runs http://www.fortreno.com, which are a local series of free shows. They get it.

Pearl Jam.. are a corporate rock band, plain and simple. Ed and goo and gaa over Ian and all the other punks as much as he likes... but gooing and gaaing about punk ethos, are not the same as living punk ethos.

When PJ get off the private jet, when they lower ticket prices (which is easy to do, take less of a cut Mr. Millionare Vedder), when they lower merch, when they take advantage of technology to distribute bootlegs instead of selling them (or at least sell them for a decent rate, a double disc Fugazi record is 10 bucks, postage paid)... then I will listen to him rant about punk ethos and take him seriously.

You've done nothing but bitch about Pearl Jam and their ethics, their money, and blah, blah, blah in every damn one of your posts? Why even come here then? Doesn't it get old complaining and arguing? Just curious.

Anyways...It doesn't matter how much money Pearl Jam makes or what Ten Club charges...The fact remains that Ten Club tickets are for members to have a shot at great seats and to enjoy the show. Ten Club isn't a fucking vendor for other's scalping habits. Whether you choose to care about something further out than yourself isn't the issue either. The real issue is that profiting off of Ten Club tickets is wrong and the original poster was only seeking to do the right thing for a situation that he stumbled upon. It really doesn't matter if any of us want to prevent scalping of Ten Club tickets or turn a blind eye and mind our own business. The issue is only about what is right and wrong, and turning a blind eye to what's wrong is fine, if that is how you choose to live your life. Although, turning a blind eye can speak a million words concerning our society....But doing the right thing doesn't deserve ridicule or mockery under any circumstance. In my opinion, all the ridicule that people do receive from the select people with self-centered attitudes and compacency towards others keeps some from doing the right thing. There is right and there is wrong, and morals are wonderful thing to have. It's just too bad that so many people can only care about themselves and either contribute to what's wrong or just walk right on by it.

Truth Machine

don't gimme no wrote:

It's not hypothetical. It's historical. Haven't you ever purchased tickets to any show for any band without having the luxury of a fan club wiping your ass and making sure you get great seats?

Nope. No fan club has ever cleansed my ass, thanks. Again.

Anon

don't gimme no wrote:

Finally, some sanity. Great post Mickey. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we get more for our $20 than any other $20 we could ever even think about spending on anything else.

They don't GIVE me anything... I PAY for their services... they happen to cost 20 bucks.

Thanks to everyone paying 20 bucks, Jeff can go climb another mountain, Ed can go fly around the world and surf... and ramble on about being "low key"

Nice scam they have going.

TunnelThroughDenial

SonicReducr wrote:

I am more than aware of who Ian is, since he is a local fixture in this town. That doesn't change the fact that Pearl Jam nor Ed give a shit about me.

Ian, the other older school punk guys... they get it. They live it. Ian lives in a small house in Mt Pleasant, and still uses his mothers address for the Dischord label... He gets it.

I saw Ian at the Pearl Jam show, he and his girlfriend Amy Farina (who is in the Evens with Ian, and was in a band called the Warmers, also on Dischord) were there and were side stage. Doesn't mean Ed gives a fuck about me.

His sister runs http://www.fortreno.com, which are a local series of free shows. They get it.

Pearl Jam.. are a corporate rock band, plain and simple. Ed and goo and gaa over Ian and all the other punks as much as he likes... but gooing and gaaing about punk ethos, are not the same as living punk ethos.

When PJ get off the private jet, when they lower ticket prices (which is easy to do, take less of a cut Mr. Millionare Vedder), when they lower merch, when they take advantage of technology to distribute bootlegs instead of selling them (or at least sell them for a decent rate, a double disc Fugazi record is 10 bucks, postage paid)... then I will listen to him rant about punk ethos and take him seriously.

Is it conceivable that a rock band can simultaneously care about their music and art, and the money/business, at the same time?

I must say it is ironic to hear a millionaire sing songs like Soon Forget and Green Disease but I don't give a shit if he means it cause I like it......

Mickey1794

Exactly- giving you an example of a corporate band-now do you see the difference? And it's not about seeing them first its about the fact that it was very difficult to get tickets-shows would get cancelled-you had to pay an arm and a leg from scalpers- I'm talking about the days when PJ wasn't getting along with ticketmaster and before the internet days when you had to stand in line for hours just to end up at the back after the stupid wristband raffles, etc. 10C has made it a breeze for us to get our tickets now-and on top of that the best seats possible. Unfortunately you don't realize how lucky you are.

Anon

cooldaddy wrote:

You've done nothing but bitch about Pearl Jam and their ethics, their money, and blah, blah, blah in every damn one of your posts? Why even come here then? Doesn't it get old complaining and arguing? Just curious.

Anyways...It doesn't matter how much money Pearl Jam makes or what Ten Club charges...The fact remains that Ten Club tickets are for members to have a shot at great seats and to enjoy the show. Ten Club isn't a fucking vendor for other's scalping habits. Whether you choose to care about something further out than yourself isn't the issue either. The real issue is that profiting off of Ten Club tickets is wrong and the original poster was only seeking to do the right thing for a situation that he stumbled upon. It really doesn't matter if any of us want to prevent scalping of Ten Club tickets or turn a blind eye and mind our own business. The issue is only about what is right and wrong, and turning a blind eye to what's wrong is fine, if that is how you choose to live your life. Although, turning a blind eye can speak a million words concerning our society....But doing the right thing doesn't deserve ridicule or mockery under any circumstance. In my opinion, all the ridicule that people do receive from the select people with self-centered attitudes and compacency towards others keeps some from doing the right thing. There is right and there is wrong, and morals are wonderful thing to have. It's just too bad that so many people can only care about themselves and either contribute to what's wrong or just walk right on by it.

If someone else profits off the band or their tickets, I don't care.

They profit off of us, so who cares if someone makes money off them.

I said it earlier, and since you can't read... I'll repeat it.

I don't care that they are rich, I don't care that they have money... good for them. But you can't be rich and then ramble on about your punk ethos.

Can't have it both ways.

brainofPJ

SonicReducr wrote:

Well it's cute that you think they care about us. I will continue to pay for their services and that will be that.

Wow, it's quite sad (and idiotic) that you think it's not about money when they charge 50 bucks for a ticket.

50 bucks is nothing...


stick to your "hardcore" bands.

Anon

Mickey1794 wrote:

Exactly- giving you an example of a corporate band-now do you see the difference? And it's not about seeing them first its about the fact that it was very difficult to get tickets-shows would get cancelled-you had to pay an arm and a leg from scalpers- I'm talking about the days when PJ wasn't getting along with ticketmaster and before the internet days when you had to stand in line for hours just to end up at the back after the stupid wristband raffles, etc. 10C has made it a breeze for us to get our tickets now-and on top of that the best seats possible. Unfortunately you don't realize how lucky you are.

They make plenty of money off the people who realize that ease. I never said it wasn't a good deal. I never said it wasn't 20 well spent bucks...

But it is a buisness deal... they are not giving me anything. The make money off of us... good for them. So I could care less if someone makes money off them.

Anon

brainofPJ wrote:

50 bucks is nothing...


stick to your "hardcore" bands.

50 bucks is a lot for a band with a singer who rambles on about "the man"

cooldaddy

SonicReducr wrote:

P.S.... Corporate rock bands charge 50 bucks for their tickets... when they could charge less.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you have first hand knowledge of Pearl Jam's payroll and expenses and that you've crunched the numbers and came to a determination that the band is charging too much. What exactly should they be charging then? What are they paying their crew? What does each member take home from each show?

Just because you think $50 bucks is too expensive doesn't negate the fact that the price may be the lowest they can charge and keep the tour afloat.

I don't know, and neither do you, so quit talking out of your ass like you run their fucking books.

Anon

cooldaddy wrote:

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you have first hand knowledge of Pearl Jam's payroll and expenses and that you've crunched the numbers and came to a determination that the band is charging too much. What exactly should they be charging then? What are they paying their crew? What does each member take home from each show?

Just because you think $50 bucks is too expensive doesn't negate the fact that the price may be the lowest they can charge and keep the tour afloat.

I don't know, and neither do you, so quit talking out of your ass like you run their fucking books.

I'll base my opinion on the fact that there are cheaper tours (with people who don't have private jets) and that Jeff said he wants to make money this tour in some interview... good enough for me.

Mickey1794

We're obviously wasting our time arguing with someone who has no real appreciation and understanding for PJ and what they stand for. I'm not exactly sure why you are even in this club if that's the way you feel about things. It's actually pretty sad how cynical you are about life and music. Are you a republican by any chance?

Anon

Mickey1794 wrote:

We're obviously wasting our time arguing with someone who has no real appreciation and understanding for PJ and what they stand for. I'm not exactly sure why you are even in this club if that's the way you feel about things. It's actually pretty sad how cynical you are about life and music. Are you a republican by any chance?

I'm in the club to get tickets, of course... they provide a service that I pay for it.

And no... I am a democrat... who practices what he preaches... unlike Mr. Vedder.

cooldaddy

SonicReducr wrote:

If someone else profits off the band or their tickets, I don't care.

They profit off of us, so who cares if someone makes money off them.

I said it earlier, and since you can't read... I'll repeat it.

I don't care that they are rich, I don't care that they have money... good for them. But you can't be rich and then ramble on about your punk ethos.

Can't have it both ways.

Your response has nothing to do with the "right" and "wrong" that I was referring to. I can read, thank you. It's comprehending narrow-minded, self-centered human beings like yourself that I have trouble with.